Pilot Archive
Thread: The Z key 'target enemy player macro which can't be done phenomenon'
Higginsis wrote:
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:Dont take this the wrong way , but, what kind of combat pilot regularly whacks the K key on his keyboard to target an enemy player?An ace will have it set up for their joystick.
And you implying that to be a "ace" pilot you can only use joysticks? As i know quite a few who'd disagree with that.
Me for example. Joystick is not precise enough. Some years ago I was maniac at playing x-wing, tie-f, xvt and xwa, all games with the same joyistick. It was a cheap one with only two buttons, but it had a huge advantage over other joysticks - it had a small, short handle - in size of a finger. It was very very precise to handle. Unfortunatelly I't broke beyond repair. Now noone makes small joysticks, they are all huge, with 100 buttons and I'm unable to handle my ship with it. I tried a game-pad with analog knob, but it sucks. So I'm stuck with mouse and kayboard. Fortunatelly, SWG has excellent support for mouse in space and until some company makes a joystick that fits my non-standard requirements I'll stick to mouse and keep pwning all overt players I meet
Attacca wrote:
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Well I never saw any pilot in the Star Wars films waving a mouse about in zero G so yeah to be an SW Ace you need a joystick, and a couple of earplugs to shut that dumb old man up so you can concentrate.
If you use a mouse there is really no point making one of its buttons perform the function of Z, unless you have some madmouse with about 20 buttons on it, and that to me would just be another keyboard (for keyboard read target for errant beer spilt in adrenaline frenzy) and i have enough of them.
Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 08-25-2005 09:04 PM
Ummm...yeah. Even as an avid joystick fan, I can tell how stupid of a statement that was.
By the way, Logitech makes a great gaming mouse, specifically for gamers! Lotsa buttons at a great price.
Sarcasm is well and truly dead i can see, its fire has gone out of the universe. (Do I really need to put a smileywink on that to tell you im just being a cheeky sod?).
Anyway I can rationalise playing so much better with my joystick as its a beast and with the springs set to full you do get a bit of upper body exercise wrenching the thing about, go to the gym, nah, im going to kill nubships. With surroundsound letting me hear my R2 unit bleep behind me and TIEs screaming past the immersion factor is higher with the joystick than it would be with my mouse. After all JTL is where i get my Star Wars fix as at times you can really let yourself go into GLs world, a lot more than you can in the ground game!
Hmm,I don't remember a lot of the types of controllers for the space-ships in Star Wars. I faintly remember a swivel thingon the control panel forthe Falcon.
Original Battlestar Galactica, now there was some joystick-using fools!
Loki_Ashaman wrote:
Hmm, I'm not familiar with the beep, but then again I've been know to tune out just about anything and everything audio wise. At what range does this go off typically? I normally pick up boggies at 3 - 4K out and move to engage due to my thumb practically dancing on the target enemy player button on my joystick.
The longest range I've heard it was 3.5km on Wednesday. That was a lock on from Razz. Typically, in Deep Space battles, I get it around 2.5km.
whenever an enemy or friendly player comes into radar range you get the same beep noise that you get when you target a player/ship etc.
Please forgive how really stupid this question might be, but...
Am I to understand that if I am in DS, and have my radar set to 8k, and am within 8k of an opponent's loadpoint, I will know the moment they load in?
On an tangent topic (since proper use of the radar was discussed)...I am sure this question was asked way back in October or November of last year, butdoes the radar resize like the one on the ground? I've never really messed with it...
Janu - I find it hard to believe that someone would be more likely to get carpal tunnel from using a joystick than from using the mouse for space combat...not trying to slap you in the face or anything, but I just found it strange that you heavily implied that in one of your posts in this thread.
Domingo
RedOnedi wrote:
Please forgive how really stupid this question might be, but...
Am I to understand that if I am in DS, and have my radar set to 8k, and am within 8k of an opponent's loadpoint, I will know the moment they load in?
On an tangent topic (since proper use of the radar was discussed)...I am sure this question was asked way back in October or November of last year, butdoes the radar resize like the one on the ground? I've never really messed with it...
Janu - I find it hard to believe that someone would be more likely to get carpal tunnel from using a joystick than from using the mouse for space combat...not trying to slap you in the face or anything, but I just found it strange that you heavily implied that in one of your posts in this thread.
Domingo
Nah, I already suffer from it. Its the awkward position I have to use to handle it because of my desk.
Added: I have a mousepad with one of those silicone wrist bumpers and I have the sensitivity set so my hand has to barely flicker to move the cursor. I also set my mousebox to be barely larger than the reticle, again, for the sake of absolutely minimizing hand motion.
Message Edited by JanuHull on 08-26-2005 04:30 PM
RedOnedi wrote:
Please forgive how really stupid this question might be, but...
Am I to understand that if I am in DS, and have my radar set to 8k, and am within 8k of an opponent's loadpoint, I will know the moment they load in?
On an tangent topic (since proper use of the radar was discussed)...I am sure this question was asked way back in October or November of last year, butdoes the radar resize like the one on the ground? I've never really messed with it...
Janu - I find it hard to believe that someone would be more likely to get carpal tunnel from using a joystick than from using the mouse for space combat...not trying to slap you in the face or anything, but I just found it strange that you heavily implied that in one of your posts in this thread.
Domingo
, and it doesn't seem to pick stuff up that far away from what I've noticed... if it did, I think DS would just be one big red cloud.Indeed, having your radar set to 8k in DS to pick up player load-ins would make the radar pretty much useless for any of it's other purposes, unless you shrank it back down. I would swear that it does pick up stuff out to like 6k...I've used it to help hunt down clusters in Kessel a couple times, and it makes life a bit easier. Maybe my memory is bad, heh...
I would be really happy if I could make the radar 50% larger than it currently is, but I can use it just fine as it is.
Domingo
RedOnedi wrote:Please forgive how really stupid this question might be, but...
Am I to understand that if I am in DS, and have my radar set to 8k, and am within 8k of an opponent's loadpoint, I will know the moment they load in?
On an tangent topic (since proper use of the radar was discussed)...I am sure this question was asked way back in October or November of last year, butdoes the radar resize like the one on the ground? I've never really messed with it...
Janu - I find it hard to believe that someone would be more likely to get carpal tunnel from using a joystick than from using the mouse for space combat...not trying to slap you in the face or anything, but I just found it strange that you heavily implied that in one of your posts in this thread.
Domingo
it's not a stupid question at all. you can only detect certain objects at 8km or greater, big things like vettes and space stations for instance. detecting player range varies depending on the lag in the zone, usually it's 2km-3km in DS, and i've seen it go 5km - 6km in kessel. however zoomed out your radar is doesn't affect when you can detect player ships. i would imagine that there's no limit to detection range, and in a lagless zone you'd probably be able to detect at 16km, but i'm not sure about that.
you also cannot resize the radar, probably for the same reason you can't resize much of the UI in space, and that reason is it's a lame bug.
Ok Quad. Sorry about that. I should have just hit the hay rather than type a grumpy post. As for whoever said about mapping them to a joystick and being an ace pilot...well simply put, no. Z works fine and I'm a mouse and keyboard pilot. Before you rant on about what makes an ace, don't bother. In my experience...and not applying this to everyone, but those who rant on about their super high tech equipment such as uber joypads, tend to be the ones who can't deliver the goods in the sky. Whether a key is right next to me or on the other side of the keyboard makes no difference to me...I got long fingers 
In fact since the conversation seems to have gone that way, I find that it seems to be a 50/50 split between the 'aces' who use keyboard and mouse and those who use flightstick. Neither is more advantageous over the other as it is down to preference and what one finds the most efficient for them. As for you, CuchulainnDarklight in making that comment about what makes a true ace, you're wrong and rather arrogant in making that statement. What equipment you use doesn't translate as skill in the sky.
Message Edited by LeaphChausew on 08-26-2005 04:41 PM