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Thread: Space pvp ...more pointless than ground pvp ??
LucifersBane wrote:
ok people argue that space pvp is better than ground pvp because it requires skill.......yeh right.
Everything is a 1 shot kill its completly pointless tbh. Im not saying ships should be able to absorb large amounts of dmg, but atleast make it so u can have actuall dogfights atm its first hit = wins.
Honestly how much skill does it take to pull a trigger once and win....none.
Id like other peoples opinions on this perhaps tis just me that thinks this tho i seriously doubt it.
QFE.
"ok people argue that space pvp is better than ground pvp because it requires skill.......yeh right" - a whine, aim, dogfighting, ship loadouts, situational awareness among other things all come into play in space PVP. this first part is also a troll, indicating other pilots who are great at space pvp have no skill.
"Everything is a 1 shot kill its completly pointless tbh. Im not saying ships should be able to absorb large amounts of dmg, but atleast make it so u can have actuall dogfights atm its first hit = wins. " there's plenty of dogfighting in space pvp, you just don't know how to do it. also, not all space PVP is 1 shot kill, and it's certainly not "first shot wins"
"Honestly how much skill does it take to pull a trigger once and win....none. " another flame, another whine, and another troll. let's look at your logic though, you always win on the first shot? you have 100% accuracy. either you are lying, or you've fought 3 or 4 other heavy fighters with no experience in PVP. most pilots fire at least 20 shots before winning in a fight.
"Id like other peoples opinions on this perhaps tis just me that thinks this tho i seriously doubt it." ah, i guess you did ask for people's opinions. still doubt that it's just you? trust me, post something civil and intelligent and you'll get civility and intelligence as responses.
So basically, this is another thinly vieled PvP damage reduction post? If so, have you thought it out much as to what PvP damge reduction would do? Nevermind ppl are getting into 5, 10, 15 min fights as it is already. Any damge reduction would make people unkillable.
Oh, and "U" isnt a freaking word. Is it terribly difficult for you to type out the letters Y, and O to go along with the U?
...oooohmmm... once they fix WO3, all will be well ....oooohmmm....
...oooohmmm... Actis fighter and Belbulab will balance out with WO3 fix....oooohmmm....
...oooohmmm... Heavy fighters will actually be sustainable in PvP with WO3 fix....ooohmmm....
*pause to stare a belly button*
...oooohmmm... once they fix WO3, one shot kills will become increasingly rare ...ooohmmm....
...oooohmmm... ship loadouts will change darastically with WO3 fix ...ooohmmm....
...oooohmmm... people will scream so loud that many window panes will have to be repaired or replaced with WO3 fix....ohhhmmm.
*pause to stare at belly button*
*repeat mantra*
Ducimus wrote:
>>Again u are assuming im complaining cause i die. I kill and i die what im saying is i dont think its the most challenging thing to 1 shot kill someone.
So basically, this is another thinly vieled PvP damage reduction post? If so, have you thought it out much as to what PvP damge reduction would do? Nevermind ppl are getting into 5, 10, 15 min fights as it is already. Any damge reduction would make people unkillable.
Oh, and "U" isnt a freaking word. Is it terribly difficult for you to type out the letters Y, and O to go along with the U?
Please do not whine about 'U' rather than 'you' thats just another pathetic attempt to belittle someone.
I already stated perhaps if ships could take more than 1 hit people would take more risks and not spend an entire fight trying to stay of sight and taking potshots.
I asked for peoples opinions on this matter, if you like the 1 shot kills explain why.
As to dmg reduction not necesarily shields could be bumped up so they can take 2 maybe 3 shots.
Im afraid you chose to take it as a flame. Ok perhaps i should of said 'yeh right' following the requires skill part. Evrything requires a degree of skill i merley emant not as much as people make out. Again similar to ground pvp its about the items you are using.
I merly give my opinion i would hardly call the jsf vs jsf fights good dogfights. For the record i was in an opressor and the people i was fighting were in bellulabs (however its spelt) and i saw 1 heavy x wing which actually killed me hehe.
At the end of the day someone with no skill at all and a bit of luck, could win every single time.
As for winning on first shot launch two IR missile and a mark 4 proton at the the same time and you will soon see that its nearly always death.
Its not hard to get target locked on.
You viewed my post as a flame it wasnt.
Others viewed it as a whine cause i was killed. Not at all, i was merley stating how i feel that it is not challenging to one hit kill someone wether it be doing it or someone doing it to me.
Its my opinion you merley chose to view it as a flame, so u can launch personal attacks on me.
For the record i do not claim to be good at space pvp, infact im not all that bothered im there to have fun.
you're right. *I* was the only one who thought your original post was a flame.
did you miss that 100% of the people who have posted on this thread also regarded it as a flame, a troll, ora whine? you're the only one who thinks it's acceptable here. next time, think before you post. it took you 2 pages before you actually came up with a solution. all of this could have been avoided by not trolling or insulting and just asking in your original post what people thought of "shields being bumped up so they can take 2 or 3 shots"
so, now that you've actually said something constructive, what happens when players who take 30 minutes fighting each other under 1-2 shot rules get the number of shots it takes to bring them down doubled?
Message Edited by quadpers0n on 08-23-2005 06:12 PM
you know what, i got a better idea. how about we allow this guy to start over with something constructive? countdown to deletion.....
quadpers0n wrote:
plus, if your complaint partially stems from hating to blow other pilots up so quickly, why don't you take the onus on yourself to lengthen PVP and use weaker guns?i'll tell you why, because you are embellishing to make it sound like your protest isn't based entirely on being inadequate and uninformed. but hey, you insist it's because you hate winning so quickly right?well then put 2 level 3 guns on that mean oppressor of yours and you'll have enough mass for a better booster for your hit and run tactics. problem solved.
I ahve enough mass for a better booster, im merley havent got the resources to make a very good one atm and havent had a look for one on vendor search yet.
Neither did i say its because i hate winning so quickly, i die aswell, id just prefer for both people to hit each other 2 or 3 times before the ship became crippled.
If you dont like this idea explain why ? Im not saying its perfect ive read posts that pvp fights can last a long time. Ive been in fights that have lasted 10-15 mins my hand was sweating so much afterwards it was ridiculous.
But the reason it lasted this long was in my opinion, because people are afraid of getting 1 shot killed.
it's not perfect at all, in fact it's horribly flawed.
just answer this. you make PVP last longer by a few shots, what happens to the times when you were fighting for 10 minutes? are you really insinuating that if PVP wasn't "one shot" people would be less likely to make fights last that long?
quadpers0n wrote:
Im afraid you chose to take it as a flame. Ok perhaps i should of said 'yeh right' following the requires skill part. Evrything requires a degree of skill i merley emant not as much as people make out. Again similar to ground pvp its about the items you are using.
I merly give my opinion i would hardly call the jsf vs jsf fights good dogfights. For the record i was in an opressor and the people i was fighting were in bellulabs (however its spelt) and i saw 1 heavy x wing which actually killed me hehe.
At the end of the day someone with no skill at all and a bit of luck, could win every single time.
As for winning on first shot launch two IR missile and a mark 4 proton at the the same time and you will soon see that its nearly always death.
Its not hard to get target locked on.
You viewed my post as a flame it wasnt.
Others viewed it as a whine cause i was killed. Not at all, i was merley stating how i feel that it is not challenging to one hit kill someone wether it be doing it or someone doing it to me.
Its my opinion you merley chose to view it as a flame, so u can launch personal attacks on me.
For the record i do not claim to be good at space pvp, infact im not all that bothered im there to have fun.
you're right. *I* was the only one who thought your original post was a flame.
did you miss that 100% of the people who have posted on this thread also regarded it as a flame, a troll, or a whine? you're the only one who thinks it's acceptable here. next time, think before you post. it took you 2 pages before you actually came up with a solution. all of this could have been avoided by not trolling or insulting and just asking in your original post what people thought of "shields being bumped up so they can take 2 or 3 shots"
so, now that you've actually said something constructive, what happens when players who take 30 minutes fighting each other under 1-2 shot rules get the number of shots it takes to bring them down doubled?
Message Edited by quadpers0n on 08-23-2005 06:12 PM
No you are not the only one to flame me i was just directly answering you at that point. Its the hostile attitude in the forums that makes any post that copuld be interpruted as a flame, made into one.
Would you not consider for one second that it isnt intended as a flame ??
As for solution this post was merley to get peoples oppinions, had that had been given to start with ideas may have been posted quicker. Instead i ahv e to put up with attacks on me from people like urself.
Ever thought of being the bigger person ? if you think someone is flaming perhaps try to talk to them properly. If they continue flaming then ofcourse flame as much as you want but atleats you can say you tried, this was not intended as a flame!
LucifersBane wrote:
If you dont like this idea explain why?
How many shots did it take for Han and Luke to destroy the TIE Fighters that attacked them outside the Death Star? One. How many shots did Porkins absorb before being reduced to dust? One, maybe two. One shot kills are how battles worked in Star Wars, so that's how they should work here, too.
and trust me, if you started a new thread, and let this one die, and the thread said something like "Mitigation for heavy fighters allowing 2-3 shot kills" then followed up in the post by saying something like "oh, I think currently heavy fighters die to fast, could PVP be lengthened for those ships?" you know what the response would be?
it'd probably be 50% "yeah we've posted about that 100 times before and we agree" and maybe the other 50% would be off topic or constructive suggestions.
post that "PVP is pointless, it takes no skill" and this is exactly the kind of responses you are going to get.