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Thread: Privateer ships in PvP
Ducimus wrote:
Personnally im leaning more on a syck with a fast firing L9 gun at this point.
Leaph im curious, how many vaskai's have you fought? Ive only seen one in pvp, ever, and he didnt last very long.
A few. Mainly on Bria ironically enough. I see the potential. As an A-winger, the only bad thing I see about the Vaksai is the large hitbox. Other than that, the thing is an A-wing on steroids. The wider gunspread won't matter too much for me because I'm adaptable. My reasoning is though, I'd hold out until I had a lvl 10 engine which pushed 1.4 if not 1.5 (max) manouvering wise and that lvl 10 would have to be 95+ speed running EO4.
In addition, the 150k mass means I could quite pheasably squeeze in that lvl 10 shield and weapon too so whereas my A-wing is smaller..it has a smaller shield so can get away with it. Conversely, the Vaksai will get hit...but I'd hope it'd take a tad bit more punishment. A lvl 10 gun would one-shot most people in pvp. I'm used to working with the single lvl 8 gun on my A-wing so having a lvl 10 at my disposal would be great.
Now also, this ship has better r,p,y acc. and the same speed mod (as I mentioned) so it'd haul a** better than an A-wing..which'd be needed to get tha beast of a fuselage the ship has out of the way of oncoming fire. I personally feel that amazing r,p,y + superior to A-wing r,p,y acc. to me at least would be awesome.
Admittedly, the Vaksai' I have clashed with in pvp all lost...rather horribly, but after investigation (because lets face it, to anyone who knows me I am very curious about what my enemies/friends have under their ship's hood) I find these people are using crafted engines so have no chance in hell of competing. The same is true for a JSF using a crafted engine vs. a high speed, good r,p,y re'd engine.
I am yet to fight a Vaksai which is set up the way I'd set one up. The amazing thing about that ship too is yep..it has 150k mass but component wise it isnt needed as far as capacitor etc goes. With the same amount of component slots as an A-wing, the energy drain for anything I set up would be under 10k if not 9k and with one weapon, I'd get along fine with a lvl 2 capacitor..or even so I have more energy for shunting, a lvl 4. Reactor wise as I said, I'd be using little energy so I guess I'd get away with a mkI just fine.
In short...apart from hitbox wise, you could set that thing up like an A-wing but better and without making any compromises for mass and with those handling mods, if flown right that bigger than sensble hitbox wouldn' be too much of an issue.
150k max mass is almost three A-wings people. In fact..it's three Standard TIEInterceptors 
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I accept it wouldn't be the 'best' choice for pvp in the game. The JSF obviously is practicality wise but this is the oppinion of a humble A-winger. I'm really tempted to try a Vaksai now...
Message Edited by LeaphChausew on 08-31-2005 05:46 PM
I like my Heavy X-wing loads but once I finish kittin out my Standard x-wing, that'll be more fun just for the retro factor. I looted the lvl 10 engine I need to make sticking a lvl 10 engine in a standard X without compromising pvp firepower or shields earlier too. 39k mass, 94.9 speed unre'd Kuat Elite Engine. I wonder what mass that'll re to? I bet I'd be able to squeeze that on an A-wing with a lvl 7 blaster and mk III shield..possibly my current lvl 7 shield come to think of it. Hmm..
Maybe I can continue bodging around with improving the A-wing some more afterall
Ducimus wrote:
1. Vaskai
2. Heavy Syck
3. Dunelizard
You knew the Duneliz was out before you hit submit. Despite my love for each and every Duney I've owned, I accept that the ship is too large for a role in PvP.
What strikes me though, is that the thread discussion (that doesn't involve why the Duneliz is not the right choice) has still focuses around RotW ships. Duc, use the Vaksai.. Duc, use the Heavy Scyk... I like my Adv X-Wing... etc, etc.
If you are scared of becoming too used to the JSF (as I have a fear of my Bel-22), is turning to another badly unbalanced ship the solution? I do not know that there is always another competitive way to go, as Leaph and other have done with A-Wings. Congrats to them, but can a Freelancer do the same? Are we left with only the RotW ships if all we want to just stay competitive?
Well, whatever you decide, Duc, let me know and I may get a matching ship outfitted to head up as a wingmate.... assuming you hang around and I make it back to Freelance, of course.
Shona
LeaphChausew wrote:
Well, my Advanced X-wing has a lvl 10 engine with 83 r,p,y and it says 1.4. I am informed by Akyma back on Bria though that a r,p,y of 85 would give 1.5 (max).
I like my Heavy X-wing loads but once I finish kittin out my Standard x-wing, that'll be more fun just for the retro factor. I looted the lvl 10 engine I need to make sticking a lvl 10 engine in a standard X without compromising pvp firepower or shields earlier too. 39k mass, 94.9 speed unre'd Kuat Elite Engine. I wonder what mass that'll re to? I bet I'd be able to squeeze that on an A-wing with a lvl 7 blaster and mk III shield..possibly my current lvl 7 shield come to think of it. Hmm..
I think you should hang onto that for now
As it stands atm I will more than likely have a toon there in 1-2 months between finishing RE projects and RL deadlines I've given myself(at least creating one very soon thoughon alt's acct to fly with coran occasionally) it's just I think that would pair wonderfully with the 83.4 pre RE yaw and mid 1.4k drain I'm sitting on.
when I come I'll be bringing a few attachments for start up capital and just saw one go for 25 mil that was +3 less on your auction forums so I'll be ok
SheenaBrelya wrote:
If you are scared of becoming too used to the JSF (as I have a fear of my Bel-22), is turning to another badly unbalanced ship the solution? I do not know that there is always another competitive way to go, as Leaph and other have done with A-Wings. Congrats to them, but can a Freelancer do the same? Are we left with only the RotW ships if all we want to just stay competitive?
Good point. I hadnt realized that until you brought it up. Of all the ships i list, only one of them isnt a ROTW fighter, and that one is a writeoff. For a compedative PvP solution, well, this day and age, all privateer really has is ROTW ships to go by.
Makes me wonder if the thinking of, "at least its not a JSF" is kinda like spiltting hairs.
Ducimus wrote:
SheenaBrelya wrote:
If you are scared of becoming too used to the JSF (as I have a fear of my Bel-22), is turning to another badly unbalanced ship the solution? I do not know that there is always another competitive way to go, as Leaph and other have done with A-Wings. Congrats to them, but can a Freelancer do the same? Are we left with only the RotW ships if all we want to just stay competitive?
Good point. I hadnt realized that until you brought it up. Of all the ships i list, only one of them isnt a ROTW fighter, and that one is a writeoff. For a compedative PvP solution, well, this day and age, all privateer really has is ROTW ships to go by.
Makes me wonder if the thinking of, "at least its not a JSF" is kinda like spiltting hairs.
kinda but not bugged, not truly unbalanced(has hitbox draw back) just a little overpowered
and I think of Heavies as decent ships just should be tier 4 cert imo for what you get
Ducimus wrote:
SheenaBrelya wrote:
If you are scared of becoming too used to the JSF (as I have a fear of my Bel-22), is turning to another badly unbalanced ship the solution? I do not know that there is always another competitive way to go, as Leaph and other have done with A-Wings. Congrats to them, but can a Freelancer do the same? Are we left with only the RotW ships if all we want to just stay competitive?
Good point. I hadnt realized that until you brought it up. Of all the ships i list, only one of them isnt a ROTW fighter, and that one is a writeoff. For a compedative PvP solution, well, this day and age, all privateer really has is ROTW ships to go by.
Makes me wonder if the thinking of, "at least its not a JSF" is kinda like spiltting hairs.
Honestly, I would argue that freelancers never had any good PVP ships pre-RotW, and never were competitive. That's a big reason I switched to the Empire last December. (That and I like killing Rebels--but I was doing that anyway.) Freelancers lacked a true interceptor or a bomber, so your choices were pretty much between a couple of oversized quasi-light fighters (Dunelizard and Kihraxz) or some planetoidal heavy fighters (Rihk and, eventually, Krayt). In other words, a bit on the suicidal side--and you couldn't even have fun being suicidal by picking out something crazy like the B-Wing that nonetheless has a couple dangerous edges to it.
Given that the Vaksai and Heavy Scyk have met as much negativity as positivity on this thread, does that really mean they're unbalanced? Maybe it's just in comparison to the Eta-2, B-22, and, to a degree, Heavy X-Wing that they don't seem so out of line to me, but I would say if they are overpowered, it's to a far lesser degree than the Eta-2 and its ilk. I can imagine regularly killing Vaksais and Heavy Scyks in my old 50K mass Interceptor, but taking the ol bird up against the top tier RotW ships is another matter entirely.
well.... i have no further comment, i did grab some nice screenies though.
JSF VS Syck - top down
JSF VS Syck - Side view
JSF VS Dunelizard - top down
TomoRainer wrote:
Honestly, I would argue that freelancers never had any good PVP ships pre-RotW, and never were competitive.
Can't disagree. Many made (or tried to make) Duneys or Krayts work, but only because there were no better options available.
TomoRainer wrote:
Given that the Vaksai and Heavy Scyk have met as much negativity as positivity on this thread, does that really mean they're unbalanced? Maybe it's just in comparison to the Eta-2, B-22, and, to a degree, Heavy X-Wing that they don't seem so out of line to me, but I would say if they are overpowered...
Comparing one RotW ship to another to decided which is more unbalanced, or comparing them to decide if either is unbalanced, seems silly to me. Each is totally out of whack in it's own way, from the JSF/Bel-22 to the Vak to the Heavy X to the Heavy Starters to the Crimson TIE. If each one of them is head and shoulders above every non-RotW ship when it comes to some sort of balance, why bother with ship to ship comparisons?
The first thing most of the responses did, including mine, was to write off the Dunelizard. Some of that is it's size, but I think more of it is because it's Offense to Agility can't complete with an RotW ship's Offense to Agility. The Mass and Handling ratings on RotW ships must have been pulled out of the air, since they have nothing to do with the basic JtL ship numbers.
Shona
Ducimus wrote:
well.... i have no further comment, i did grab some nice screenies though.
Ugh. Ok, I guess you proved my at least partially wrong before I even posted: "Some of that is it's size, but I think more of it is because."
Stupid Freelance ships.
Stupid RotW ships.
Maybe that's why I switch factions, even though I prefer the Freelancers role in space: subconcious desire to get into a faction with ships I can feel good about flying.
Ugh
Shona
SheenaBrelya wrote:
Maybe that's why I switch factions, even though I prefer the Freelancers role in space: subconcious desire to get into a faction with ships I can feel good about flying.
Ugh
Shona
Seriously.
Screw ethics, i think ill stick with a JSF for pvp as long as im freelance.
you should see the JSF vs Vaski pics i got. lol
Message Edited by Ducimus on 08-31-2005 10:51 PM
Ducimus wrote:
I think most everyone can agree that sycks can be an annoyance in PvE. Not hard, just slightly annoying.
well.... i have no further comment, i did grab some nice screenies though.
JSF VS Syck - top down
JSF VS Syck - Side view
JSF VS Dunelizard - top down
I love pictures, dont you? The following are picks of a Khraxi NPC i disabled, but it is essentually a vaskai, the model is identical.
JSF VS Vaskai - rear view
JSF VS Vaskai - side view
JSF VS Vaskai - Bottom, upwards view
EDIT:
I just have to say, no ship should be THAT freaking small.
While im at it, i still have these. Wingspan is about the same (nevermind that a hit on the JSF's wingtips wont regester any damage *rolls eyes*), but the chassis, is most definatly shorter, In sum, its even smaller then an A wing.
JSF VS AWing - side
JSF VS AWing - rear
JSF VS AWing - top
JSF VS AWing - bottom
Message Edited by Ducimus on 08-31-2005 11:07 PM