Pilot Archive

I'm one of the many who would much rather see pilots be able to gain something space-related from prestige points before we start worrying about FS conversion. Everyone in space is a pilot, but only a minority of us are going through the FS process as well.

JTL should be an ends to itself, not a mere tool for your groundside abilities. People who fly for the purpose of FS xp probably aren't going to be in the skies any longer than it takes them to unlock. What we want are systems that encourage people to fly because it's fun and rewarding in the context of JTL. That's what's going to get people piloting and keep people piloting, not the prospect of an easier grind toward a goal that ultimately has zero to do with space.

---

MonsofoLexius wrote:

From what I have gathered in my focus threads and from PM's and in-game is this:

"Most pilots (by about a 75%+ margin) would much rather hope for something space related for prestige rather then a FS conversion". An overwhelming majority wouldwant to hold out for stuff rather then have a FS conversion.

Personally I would agree with them, but if even 50% wanted a FS conversion I would push for it. But it has been under a 25% percentage that have been 1) Really wanting 2) On the fence, and that tends to have me push for other stuff differentfrom a FS conversion...

---

They want FS conversion.. ok fine here we go..

On starship piloting experience only; NOT prestige, at a converstion ratio of 1 to 2,000,000. Make the jedi starfighter a master level ship , and normal XP loss rules while in space, oh let us not forget perma overt. Saves them the trouble of having to declare.

Hell id support that in a heartbeat, that make me damn happy Hell I'd be doing factory runs on MK II IR's in celebration

Message Edited by Ducimus on 04-08-2005 06:49 PM

---

AnzelVincir wrote:

Try posing the same question to the folks over in the Force Sensitive forum and I'll betcha you get much different results...

Thanks again...

---

Thats always a tought one. If you polled the BH forums an overwhelming majority would want to hunt Jedi in space. If you polled the Jedi forums an overwhelming majority would want to have special abilities. If you polled the Smuggler forums they would want to have restricted movement and/or many special smuggler only missions.

Would these things be better for pilots in general? Maybe yes maybe no, but the compairisons could go on for a long time. What I have always tried to do is take no profession (or the FS posting group) over the rest of the pilots. One of my famous personal quotes from my time in restaurant managment regarding focus groups is "beware of asking a question of a specific group when you allready know what the answer will be" and I think asking this in the FS group would get the same "yes" answer as things like "would you like for easier conversion rates?", "would you want special bonuses for ******".

---

AnzelVincir wrote:

Thanks for the input. I do feel very strongly about the FS issue however I would have to agree that it isn't the number 1 JTL issue on my list. Even so it still doesn't make any sense to me not to have it.

---

---

Ducimus wrote:
They want FS conversion.. ok fine here we go..

On starship piloting experience only; NOT prestige, at a converstion ratio of 1 to 2,000,000. Make the jedi starfighter a master level ship , and normal XP loss rules while in space, oh let us not forget perma overt. Saves them the trouble of having to declare.

Hell id support that in a heartbeat, that make me damn happy Hell I'd be doing factory runs on MK II IR's in celebration

---

I personally am in favour of having a FS conversion for prestige points, and it *must* be prestige points. Why? it would be far too easy, as any one who's got a mastery in each faction - so normal xp + 3 x 100% bonus's - to rack up outrageous amounts of xp. Take your current prestige points, and multiply it by four. That's how much xp you'd have had, with the same amount of kills.
Admittedly, 4444 pilots can't go in to deepspace without the assistantce of a mate, who's an ace. But what's to say I don't ride shotgun in the back of an aggressor, and go watch a movie while he faction farms? I'm still racking up lots of spacecombat xp.

Prestige would be different. It would force a decision, if PP were ever to be used for bigger and better things: Do I convert it, or do I use it to buy/build whatever it may be used for in the future?

Also, multiple aces do not get the bonus for prestige points, and nor should they.

---

MonsofoLexius wrote:

---

Thats always a tought one. If you polled the BH forums an overwhelming majority would want to hunt Jedi in space. If you polled the Jedi forums an overwhelming majority would want to have special abilities. If you polled the Smuggler forums they would want to have restricted movement and/or many special smuggler only missions.

Would these things be better for pilots in general? Maybe yes maybe no, but the compairisons could go on for a long time. What I have always tried to do is take no profession (or the FS posting group) over the rest of the pilots. One of my famous personal quotes from my time in restaurant managment regarding focus groups is "beware of asking a question of a specific group when you allready know what the answer will be" and I think asking this in the FS group would get the same "yes" answer as things like "would you like for easier conversion rates?", "would you want special bonuses for ******".

---

Perhaps then, a poll in every forum would be appropriate? Then take the average of the results. That would seem to be covering the majority of the player base.

Message Edited by GiacomoCagiva on 04-09-2005 12:41 PM

---

Erahth wrote:

---

Ducimus wrote:
They want FS conversion.. ok fine here we go..

On starship piloting experience only; NOT prestige, at a converstion ratio of 1 to 2,000,000. Make the jedi starfighter a master level ship , and normal XP loss rules while in space, oh let us not forget perma overt. Saves them the trouble of having to declare.

Hell id support that in a heartbeat, that make me damn happy Hell I'd be doing factory runs on MK II IR's in celebration

---

I personally am in favour of having a FS conversion for prestige points, and it *must* be prestige points. Why? it would be far too easy, as any one who's got a mastery in each faction - so normal xp + 3 x 100% bonus's - to rack up outrageous amounts of xp. Take your current prestige points, and multiply it by four. That's how much xp you'd have had, with the same amount of kills.
Admittedly, 4444 pilots can't go in to deepspace without the assistantce of a mate, who's an ace. But what's to say I don't ride shotgun in the back of an aggressor, and go watch a movie while he faction farms? I'm still racking up lots of spacecombat xp.

Prestige would be different. It would force a decision, if PP were ever to be used for bigger and better things: Do I convert it, or do I use it to buy/build whatever it may be used for in the future?

Also, multiple aces do not get the bonus for prestige points, and nor should they.

---

I think ya missed the sarchasm in my not so serious suggestion

Unless im mistaken (and i could be, i dont normally look at my skills screen), when you make master, you stop earning starship xp and start earning prestige. Oh but wait, i put the jedi starfighter as a master level ship. Make master, no more xp conversion, but dont make master, no j3dy3 starfighter.

on top of all that, i put them at perma overt.

Why Yes, i am evil.

The only way I'd ever think Prestige xp to FS xp would EVER be fairly convertible would be if the ratio was 500 or 1000:1. You couldn't make starship xp convertible, as true powergrinders would do eight squadrons, then stick at 4444 on the 9th to exploit the multi-Ace bonus.

With 100,000,000 prestige on the aforementioned ratios, you'd be getting 100-200k per conversion at that level. The 30:1 combat xp ratio just isn't going to work in space, where you can pull in 5-19k in xp in a few seconds with no risk to yourself. Everyone in this damned game would have enough saved FS Reflexes and Prowess xp that EVERYONE would be a Jedi eventually.

I remember when I decided this was a bad idea is one of the first posts I read about it was by some nudnik who claimed he thought starship/prestige xp was as valuable as combat xp, and he DEMANDED a 3:1 conversion ratio.

Now, I know he's a flipping moron now, but even 30:1 is too damned liberal for a conversion ratio.

And I KNEW this "SEE, SEE, LOOKIT! A JEDI STARFIGHTER! NOW JEDI SHOULD GET SPECIALS IN SPACE/WE SHOULD GET CONVERSION" crap would start all over again.

---

MonsofoLexius wrote:

---

AnzelVincir wrote:

Try posing the same question to the folks over in the Force Sensitive forum and I'll betcha you get much different results...

Thanks again...

---

Thats always a tought one. If you polled the BH forums an overwhelming majority would want to hunt Jedi in space. If you polled the Jedi forums an overwhelming majority would want to have special abilities. If you polled the Smuggler forums they would want to have restricted movement and/or many special smuggler only missions.

Would these things be better for pilots in general? Maybe yes maybe no, but the compairisons could go on for a long time. What I have always tried to do is take no profession (or the FS posting group) over the rest of the pilots. One of my famous personal quotes from my time in restaurant managment regarding focus groups is "beware of asking a question of a specific group when you allready know what the answer will be" and I think asking this in the FS group would get the same "yes" answer as things like "would you like for easier conversion rates?", "would you want special bonuses for ******".

---

---

KaylBreinhar wrote:
The only way I'd ever think Prestige xp to FS xp would EVER be fairly convertible would be if the ratio was 500 or 1000:1. You couldn't make starship xp convertible, as true powergrinders would do eight squadrons, then stick at 4444 on the 9th to exploit the multi-Ace bonus.
.

---