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Thread: FOTM Jedi Starfighter....

TheDarkmoons
Fri May 20, 2005 1:27 am
#14

I don't want to get enthralled in this childish 'our factions better than your faction' buisness, but the ROTW ships are far from balanced.

The advanced X-wing completly takes the piss with its huge mass (I thought 100k was good enough :/), the Actis is way too manuverable/small for its mass (It should have about 30/40k, to be a true specialised craft that requires a lot of work).

You no longer see people fly in different craft. Before ROTW I remember seeing Imperials fly all kinds of TIE varients, from the manuverable Interceptor to the triple-missile Opressor. Each ship had a role, and you personalised your loadout to fit that role.

Now with Heavy ships, and the 'advanced' versions, along with the Actis, that has all gone. R.I.P.




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Goraf
Fri May 20, 2005 5:14 am
#15

It has the same stats as a Heavy Z95, but the Heavy Z has 5-6k more mass. Every faction has easy access to a fighter that can turn as fast as a JSF.

I am a former Alliance pilot who dominated in an a-wing and now a Freelancer who has lost against a-wings in a Heavy Scyk. Sorry to say, I have no sympathy. You're just not used to having to deal with something as hard (I guess harder) to hit as an a-wing.

Besides, since it was a 3-on-1, you should have no chance to begin with. While you're circling one, the other just picks you off.



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dlc3007
Fri May 20, 2005 5:25 am
#16

nerf this.


Now, go away.


(obviously, I don't feel that this post deseves anything more)





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CuchulainnDarklight
Fri May 20, 2005 5:44 am
#17






Jergob wrote:

I was just saying that you are complaining about the same thing that we Imps had to deal with before the RotW ships came out...


The A-Wing was the most superior in turning and speed. We had to adapt and out-maneuver.



Andremember, Isaid.. every time youthink you were getting fired upon by the Jedi Starfighter, you may have actually been receiving fire from the other two people attacking you also.







Are there really pilots this stupid?


The A-wing was never the most manouverable fighter - the TIE interceptor and advanced BOTH have better PYR rates!


Why is it Imps always moan about the Awing being "SUPERIOR"! What they mean is they didnt have the brains to use the Imperials more manouverable ships or the Oppressors 3 missile tubes to counter it!


The JSF is totally unbalanced as there is NOTHING on the rebel or freelancer side that can compete with it and it makes all preROTW ships (I.E. star wars ships) obsolete!




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Amuro0079
Fri May 20, 2005 6:02 am
#18


There's one ship that can match the stats of the JSF; it's the Greivous ship. Anyways, even if the devs decide to nerf the new ships now, the changes won't be retro,so a lot of pre-nerf ships will still be out there.



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Zaax
Fri May 20, 2005 6:05 am
#19

*pokes head in*


i never flew an a-wing in pvp, always my x.


what makes the JSF unbalanced, is :

1. two guns

2. tiny size. realy tiny size.its realy hard to see, therefore to hit.


in my heavy-Z, i was about as mounouverable as the JSF.

but, not being able to hit it becasue of its size , and the fact that it has two guns, enabling one-shot kills, makes this more or less, an "i win" ship...


the only nerf i propose, is making it the size of the next smallest ship, whatever it is...



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12AngryMinh
Fri May 20, 2005 6:10 am
#20

JSF isnt impossible to take down, but very difficult so long as the pilot of one has good awareness. I was able to get the jump on one in kessel using my 101K mass xwing. But when he returned i couldnt get him on my screen at all, then BOOM. Sad thing is he had 50 ypr engines and i had 72-76 ypr ... even in an xwing i should be able to at least get the guy in my screen at some point but no chance the second go-around.


Thing about the JSF is (and i assume) that it handles much like other ships with max ypr stats ... great at max speed but ypr decreases as max speed decreases. The xwing on the other hand improves ypr as you cut speed to maximize ypr at around 60% top speed.


This makes it very tricky to take one out. Long range 'jousting' leaves the xwing at a severe disadvantage due to profile and weapon spread. Close range leaves the xwing at a disadvantage of turning rate at high speed. If you can get in and cut speed to 60% or so, the xwing stands a good chance.


But after hittinga JSTwith a full salvo three times to destroy it (using two 3K .67/.67s and one 2.6k .7/.7), i doubt the awing stands much chance when using only one weapon mount.






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Rilnax
Fri May 20, 2005 7:01 am
#21

Missiles are your friend.



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kdo
Fri May 20, 2005 7:06 am
#22

just get a grevious starfighter. I assume rebs can use those ? not sure though. if they can then it is the exact same thing as the jsf as ive been told.



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TheDarkmoons
Fri May 20, 2005 7:18 am
#23



kdo wrote:
just get a grevious starfighter. I assume rebs can use those ? not sure though. if they can then it is the exact same thing as the jsf as ive been told.





Anyone can use a Grevious, but they don't have the tiny size advantage of the Actis.




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JoKen_Jash
Fri May 20, 2005 8:22 am
#24

I still say that I eat Jedi Fighters for breakfast with my image recs, especially when they're distracted, like in big battles.


But it is unbalanced in dogfight terms.



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Loki_Ashaman
Fri May 20, 2005 8:38 am
#25






Jergob wrote:

You're just mad because a guildie of mine just blew you up.


Your A-Wing was the same thing that you're complaining about before RotW came out.


Deal with it, adapt and fly better.






Kehtal has a point. The A-wing is at least balanced to the other ships, the new RotW ships are not. Given its manueverability and profile, the JSF should have less mass then the A-wing, not more.


I've tangled with Kehtal a few times in the last few nights, and I would rate him as a very skilled pilot. In any ship except the RotW ships, I would place money in his favor. The only ship I've seen take out a JSF using blasters (not missiles) was another JSF. The RotW ships need to be balanced, not nerfed though... nerfing leads to them have no use, and I'd like to see them have a little use, but not be the I Win Button they have become.


Kehtal, see if you can squeeze an Image-Rec 2 launcher in your A-wing. As an old Bomber pilot, the IR2s have been standard operating procedure for TIE Bombers / Oppressors for taking out A-wings, and they are going to be the standard for taking out JSF now too. Every ship I have is loaded with them for just that reason, even my JSF.






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CuchulainnDarklight
Fri May 20, 2005 8:54 am
#26






Loki_Ashaman wrote:





Jergob wrote:

You're just mad because a guildie of mine just blew you up.


Your A-Wing was the same thing that you're complaining about before RotW came out.


Deal with it, adapt and fly better.






Kehtal has a point. The A-wing is at least balanced to the other ships, the new RotW ships are not. Given its manueverability and profile, the JSF should have less mass then the A-wing, not more.


I've tangled with Kehtal a few times in the last few nights, and I would rate him as a very skilled pilot. In any ship except the RotW ships, I would place money in his favor. The only ship I've seen take out a JSF using blasters (not missiles) was another JSF. The RotW ships need to be balanced, not nerfed though... nerfing leads to them have no use, and I'd like to see them have a little use, but not be the I Win Button they have become.


Kehtal, see if you can squeeze an Image-Rec 2 launcher in your A-wing. As an old Bomber pilot, the IR2s have been standard operating procedure for TIE Bombers / Oppressors for taking out A-wings, and they are going to be the standard for taking out JSF now too. Every ship I have is loaded with them for just that reason, even my JSF.







One problem with that - a good Opp is manouverable and has 3 missile tubes!


The X-wing only has 1 (even though it should have 2) and the A - wing has 1. the other rebel ships are too crap at manouvering to be worth taking up against a JSF!




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