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Thread: Alternative nerfs for the ETA Actis 2
Lipe wrote:
just go get a jsf for ur self and call it even
The JSF does not fit in the timeline at all and in terms of gameplay makes the ENTIRE REST OF JTL USELESS in comparison (much like the old composite armor one might say). Again, not an idea I am willing to accept.
Lipe wrote:
just go get a jsf for ur self and call it even
Unfortuantely, simply buffing all the other ships wouldn't work here. As is, the 90k mass on the JSF is enough to have top of the line gear for most everything. If the mass of the original ships was buffed up or their maneuverability, we'd have a bunch of super-ships on our hand with very little differentiation.
The pre-RotW masses were lower for a very good reason. It forced you to choose what components you wanted to focus on while making sacrifices in other areas. The only problel with the balance was the lack of light fighters beyond 12k mass. The heavy variants would need to be much closer to 50-60k mass to be considered balanced.
By the way, anyone who says get a JSF/Bellabub to compensate... I don't want to fly a clone wars ship. I'm more than happy to fly my alliance starfighters. It's just too bad there's no practical reason to any more.
Message Edited by Yoda-5499 on 08-01-2005 11:18 AM
Dragon942 wrote:
Lipe wrote:
just go get a jsf for ur self and call it even
The JSF does not fit in the timeline at all and in terms of gameplay makes the ENTIRE REST OF JTL USELESS in comparison (much like the old composite armor one might say). Again, not an idea I am willing to accept.
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Blue_Slushy wrote:
Its just getting very repetitive and annoying hearing all you butthurt ppl whine and moan over, how you got owned by someone in a JSF, I mean just get over it, and spare us your grief.
If you comprehended fully the gist of most of our arguments you'd understand that we object to the disparities between the stats of not only the JSF, but those of most of the RotW ships when compared to those of the pre-existing JTL ships.
I MUCH preferred the days when people flew what they wanted over now, where everyone is in either a JSF or a B-22. I've said it before and I say again, I understand completely why some Pro-CU people referred to the ground game as 'composite wars'.
So calm yourself and jump back up in your little JSF, but you should be aware that the majority of us don't cry because we're beaten by a pilot.
We cry because we're beaten by a ship.
How many times is this argument going to happen? I only have a few things to say.
1. Don't argue about timeline or canon since SOE completly threw out both after about the second week of development.
2. We all know that SOE is never going to nerf the JSF no matter how much people whine about it. (reference post-CU protests)
3. The only thing the JSF does is give bad pilots a bit of a boost in PvE. In PvP it doesn't really matter (reference all the people talking about killing JSF in thier a-wings or even Novas.) If you do think it makes a big difference in PvP... then learn to fight and whinning or go back to grinding j33d3y3.
Yoda-5499 wrote:
Blue_Slushy wrote:
Yoda-5499 wrote:
Blue_Slushy wrote:
I don't understand why all you whiners just can't accept the fact that the JSF is a superior ship to any other. Is it that hard? I mean come, they are not invincible like Jana said, she takes them out in her A-Wing
Adaptation to the JSF is your friend. You might as well get use to it. Because the Devs aren't changing it.
The problem is that it shouldn't be a superior ship. It was the first building block to the TIE Fighter. And we all no the TIE Fighter isn't a superior ship itself. So, care to explain how it is to be superior now? It has no shields and no hyperdrive. About the only thing that makes it better than the TIE is the fact that it could have an astromech.
Just because it doesn't have shields/hyperdrive in the movies doesn't mean it can't have them ever, ever heard of modification? In the movies, its super small. In SWG its small and Small Hitboxes help you out in Space PvP tremendously.
Yes, I heard of modification. And the JSF was upgraded to the TIE Fighter. Both the JSF and TIE Fighter were punched out of a factory with no room for modifying it. Yes, you can fly your JSF, but you couldn't change anything on it. You had to keep those standard blasters and have no shield or hyperdrive. No one had a JSF of their own, they were government issue, along with the TIE. You weren't allowed to change it in any way. I'm not saying it should be taken out of the game, but change it to the point where it is balanced.
dead wrong, the JSF was used as a basis for the TIE fighter but was DOWNGRADED to fit the emperors desires to have an easily mass produced nigh on disposible fighter that was evasive(cheaper than tough) and still packed a punch. It completely makes sense that the JSF is better.
I do agree it needs a draw back but nerfing is never(ideally) the answer cause it causes resentment between playerbase and developer's/CSR's. I'm not making a suggestion here thats just asking to be flamed.
the only nerf I'd almost think suitable would be a slight profile increase and removale of the launch tube
lastly there should be chassis decay in deepspace just not component imo
IL-Vec wrote:
Yoda-5499 wrote:
Blue_Slushy wrote:
Yoda-5499 wrote:
Blue_Slushy wrote:
I don't understand why all you whiners just can't accept the fact that the JSF is a superior ship to any other. Is it that hard? I mean come, they are not invincible like Jana said, she takes them out in her A-Wing
Adaptation to the JSF is your friend. You might as well get use to it. Because the Devs aren't changing it.
The problem is that it shouldn't be a superior ship. It was the first building block to the TIE Fighter. And we all no the TIE Fighter isn't a superior ship itself. So, care to explain how it is to be superior now? It has no shields and no hyperdrive. About the only thing that makes it better than the TIE is the fact that it could have an astromech.
Just because it doesn't have shields/hyperdrive in the movies doesn't mean it can't have them ever, ever heard of modification? In the movies, its super small. In SWG its small and Small Hitboxes help you out in Space PvP tremendously.
Yes, I heard of modification. And the JSF was upgraded to the TIE Fighter. Both the JSF and TIE Fighter were punched out of a factory with no room for modifying it. Yes, you can fly your JSF, but you couldn't change anything on it. You had to keep those standard blasters and have no shield or hyperdrive. No one had a JSF of their own, they were government issue, along with the TIE. You weren't allowed to change it in any way. I'm not saying it should be taken out of the game, but change it to the point where it is balanced.
dead wrong, the JSF was used as a basis for the TIE fighter but was DOWNGRADED to fit the emperors desires to have an easily mass produced nigh on disposible fighter that was evasive(cheaper than tough) and still packed a punch. It completely makes sense that the JSF is better.
I do agree it needs a draw back but nerfing is never(ideally) the answer cause it causes resentment between playerbase and developer's/CSR's. I'm not making a suggestion here thats just asking to be flamed.
the only nerf I'd almost think suitable would be a slight profile increase and removale of the launch tube
lastly there should be chassis decay in deepspace just not component imo
You wouldn't mind providing a link to this information, would you? Because here it says that the JSF (should be JI for Jedi Interceptor) was part of "the experimental TIE fighter from the classic trilogy." Giving it's firepower and cockpit design along with the V-wing's wings, you get the TIE Fighter. Now, I can't see how the TIE is a downgrade from the JSF. Smaller, faster, more power, better turning. Unless I see otherwise, I'm going to say the JSF isn't a supposed to be a superior craft.
I'd also like to say real quick that I like the JSF's design and hate to have that nerfed. Altered stats would be alright. And Deep Space shouldn't have any decay for the main reason it is a PvP zone. Kessel should because it is the "Master Pilot Proving Grounds", but I don't think Deep Space should.
Blue_Slushy wrote:
I don't understand why all you whiners just can't accept the fact that the JSF is a superior ship to any other. Is it that hard? I mean come, they are not invincible like Jana said, she takes them out in her A-Wing
Adaptation to the JSF is your friend. You might as well get use to it. Because the Devs aren't changing it.
PaceNebulon wrote:
How many times is this argument going to happen? I only have a few things to say.
1. Don't argue about timeline or canon since SOE completly threw out both after about the second week of development.
2. We all know that SOE is never going to nerf the JSF no matter how much people whine about it. (reference post-CU protests)
3. The only thing the JSF does is give bad pilots a bit of a boost in PvE. In PvP it doesn't really matter (reference all the people talking about killing JSF in thier a-wings or even Novas.) If you do think it makes a big difference in PvP... then learn to fight and whinning or go back to grinding j33d3y3.
1. Ok I wont.
Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 08-01-2005 01:49 PM
JanuHull wrote:
Blue_Slushy wrote:
I don't understand why all you whiners just can't accept the fact that the JSF is a superior ship to any other. Is it that hard? I mean come, they are not invincible like Jana said, she takes them out in her A-Wing
Adaptation to the JSF is your friend. You might as well get use to it. Because the Devs aren't changing it.
*kick B_S in the nuts* That's Janu, and he's a dude.
Yeah! Janu's only a girl on Thursday nights down at that rough leather bar in the East Village.
The things that guy'll do for free drinks...