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Thread: Which ship is better: Y-wing, or a customied Z-95?
CerionSkydreamer wrote:
loonatik wrote:
we are talking a z-95 people. This is not like a X-Wing vs Y-Wing... The Z-95 is the base line ship. The only reason you would buy one is to have hyperspace at low levels. If you want to change to a lower mass better ship, go for the A-Wing or X-Wing, ect.. Thats when the comparison begins.
I beg to differ loonatik. The z95 is a great ship that can carry you through tier 2 missions. And, as implied by the original poster, some do not have the option to choose A wings or X wings yet. Hyperspace is certainly not the only reason to buy one. Of course the A wing is better than the z95--that's a no brainer, if you have the choice that is.
Phantom465 wrote:
Hello,
I have a question for you Shipwrights. I have just qualified for my first training slot as a Rebel pilot. I hope you can help me choose. If I pick Basic Starfighter, then I would be able to fly a Y-wing. If I choose Equipment A, then I would be able to add level 2 & 3 equipment to my own Z-95 chassis. I have already purchased my own Z-95 which I use now instead of my starter ship. So my question is, which ship would be better? A Y-wing, or a tricked out Z-95? What are the pros / cons of each ship's engines, weapons, shields, etc.?
thanks :-)
I would go for equipment first and then the ship. I recommend doing that each and everytime, until you reach up to the X-Wing Piloting stage. From what I understand the trade-off in inherent manueverablity of the X-Wing over the Y-Wing or Longprobe Y-Wing is significant at that point of the game and more then makes up for using the lower certed components on the X-Wing.
You can find a ton of useful equipment to toss on the Z-95 in order to keep using that for a long period of time. I know of more then a few pilots that used the Z-95 until they could get the Longprobe and a few that stuck with the Z-95 and traded up only when the X-Wing is available. I don't know how they did it with the 12k mass on the Z-95, but they did.
loonatik wrote:we are talking a z-95 people. This is not like a X-Wing vs Y-Wing... The Z-95 is the base line ship. The only reason you would buy one is to have hyperspace at low levels. If you want to change to a lower mass better ship, go for the A-Wing or X-Wing, ect.. Thats when the comparison begins.
I was playing around with a Z95 that I modified last night. I went to dathomir and was taking out tier 3 ships with very little difficulty. I have no front armor on it and little rear armor. I have some nice shields, gun, and capacitor. I can fire my gun almost indefinitely without my capacitor running low. My biggest difficulty was surviving the first pass of a wave of enemy ships because I got hit reasonably hard by just a couple shots. However, once I survived their first pass I would spin around and take them all out one by one. Obviously a Z95 isn't going to take on the higher tier ships that have some agility. But, I'd be willing to bet that I could, if hard pressed, use it all the way up to the point that I got my X-wing.
loonatik wrote:
Theres no reason to waste your money on buying this ship from a shipwright. (Z-95)
It's not a waste of money if you buy it from my vendor at 558 -5148 on Corellia, just east and slightly south from the Coronet starport.
We sell them for 8k. 
DeQuosaek wrote:
loonatik wrote:
Theres no reason to waste your money on buying this ship from a shipwright. (Z-95)
It's not a waste of money if you buy it from my vendor at 558 -5148 on Corellia, just east and slightly south from the Coronet starport.
We sell them for 8k.
You sell a fully loaded fully customized for 20k massZ-95 with all level 3 parts for 8k? hmm, are you just throwing money away?
or do you mean you are just giving away the chassis for less than what the resources cost?
or are you just not paying attention to whats being said in this thread?
Joukahainen wrote:
loonatik wrote:
we are talking a z-95 people. This is not like a X-Wing vs Y-Wing... The Z-95 is the base line ship. The only reason you would buy one is to have hyperspace at low levels. If you want to change to a lower mass better ship, go for the A-Wing or X-Wing, ect.. Thats when the comparison begins.
I was playing around with a Z95 that I modified last night. I went to dathomir and was taking out tier 3 ships with very little difficulty. I have no front armor on it and little rear armor. I have some nice shields, gun, and capacitor. I can fire my gun almost indefinitely without my capacitor running low. My biggest difficulty was surviving the first pass of a wave of enemy ships because I got hit reasonably hard by just a couple shots. However, once I survived their first pass I would spin around and take them all out one by one. Obviously a Z95 isn't going to take on the higher tier ships that have some agility. But, I'd be willing to bet that I could, if hard pressed, use it all the way up to the point that I got my X-wing.
Lets say you were at level 3, you could easily throw a full set of level 3's experimented for quality not mass reduction, and get much better performance out of a Y-Wing than if you got level 3 parts experimented to fit into 20k mass. Furthermore, if you upgraded to a X-Wing, those parts would easily fit its 100k mass.
loonatik wrote:
DeQuosaek wrote:
loonatik wrote:
Theres no reason to waste your money on buying this ship from a shipwright. (Z-95)
It's not a waste of money if you buy it from my vendor at 558 -5148 on Corellia, just east and slightly south from the Coronet starport.
We sell them for 8k.
You sell a fully loaded fully customized for 20k massZ-95 with all level 3 parts for 8k? hmm, are you just throwing money away?
or do you mean you are just giving away the chassis for less than what the resources cost?
or are you just not paying attention to whats being said in this thread?
Wow, you just like to argue, don't you? The answer to all of your questions is pretty much no.
Did I say I was selling a fully loaded, fully customized ship? No. Am I giving away the chassis for less than what the resources cost? No. I don't buy resources at highly inflated prices. I mine them. Am I not paying attention to what's being said in this thread? No.
You're saying that buying a Z-95 is a waste of money. I would agree if you are buyingthe blueprintsfrom a shipwright for 25k. At 8k for the blueprint however, it is a great buy, and a decent flying ship. You don't have to cut the throttle back so much to maneuver well like you do in a Y-Wing. Sure, it won't fit as many heavy components, but it is a decent ship, especially on a budget.
I'm simply stating that while most shipwrights charge 25k for a Z-95 chassis blueprint or 5 cpu forchassis blueprints made with resources that would generally cost 1 or 2 cpu, thus ripping off the customer, I sell the ships at a reasonable rate. I charge around 2cpu, and I get the resources myself.
And when you want a Y-Wing, don't pay 100k for the blueprint from the local ripoff artist. Come to Honest Dan's Starships and pay 30k. 588 -5148 Corellia.
loonatik wrote:
Wasting your time with a 20k mass TRAINER SHIP is just pointless. I dont care how well you do with it, you COULD be doing much better.
DeQuosaek wrote:
loonatik wrote:
DeQuosaek wrote:
loonatik wrote:
Theres no reason to waste your money on buying this ship from a shipwright. (Z-95)
It's not a waste of money if you buy it from my vendor at 558 -5148 on Corellia, just east and slightly south from the Coronet starport.
We sell them for 8k.
You sell a fully loaded fully customized for 20k massZ-95 with all level 3 parts for 8k? hmm, are you just throwing money away?
or do you mean you are just giving away the chassis for less than what the resources cost?
or are you just not paying attention to whats being said in this thread?
Wow, you just like to argue, don't you? The answer to all of your questions is pretty much no.
Did I say I was selling a fully loaded, fully customized ship? No. Am I giving away the chassis for less than what the resources cost? No. I don't buy resources at highly inflated prices. I mine them. Am I not paying attention to what's being said in this thread? No.
If you are selling your chassis for less than what you can sell your resources for, you are throwing away your money. Not only are you not getting the value out of your resources you are not charging anything for your time and effort.
You're saying that buying a Z-95 is a waste of money. I would agree if you are buyingthe blueprintsfrom a shipwright for 25k. At 8k for the blueprint however, it is a great buy, and a decent flying ship. You don't have to cut the throttle back so much to maneuver well like you do in a Y-Wing. Sure, it won't fit as many heavy components, but it is a decent ship, especially on a budget.
Who cares what the costs of the blueprints are? The expense is not in the chassis, its in the components. If you are trying to squeeze into 20k mass with level 3,5 and 7 parts you are going to have to get them made differently then if you were going to fit them into a x-wing, a-wing, or y-wing.
So not only are you going tohave assub standard parts, when you level up you will THEN have to get them made AGAIN to fit into 20k mass.
Maybe you are being short sighted. Maybe you dont see it from a pilots point of view here. If they spend their money on a Z-95 and level 3 parts that are setup to fit into 20k mass. Its not going to last as long as if they had the parts made for quality instead. They could then when they hit level 5 upgrade only the parts that need upgrading. Not to mention the level 3 parts will last them MUCH longer built for quality instead of 20k mass.
Bottom Line, the Z-95 is the TRAINER ship. Nothing more. Its not designed to last you up in the levels. Sure, you can get the chassis really really cheap, but the components will have to be made special for 20k mass and will not be of use to you when you move into a larger ship. Why waste your money on those parts, just buy the better parts that will fit into a Y-Wing and get just as good if not better performance.
I'm simply stating that while most shipwrights charge 25k for a Z-95 chassis blueprint or 5 cpu forchassis blueprints made with resources that would generally cost 1 or 2 cpu, thus ripping off the customer, I sell the ships at a reasonable rate. I charge around 2cpu, and I get the resources myself.
Again, if you are not charging what your resources are worth, then you are losing money. No on here is ripping off customers by charging 25k for a Z-95 chassis. Right now the resources are going for 2-3 cpu. Taking a little mark up for our time, adding that to the resource cost and thats how people are charging 25k.
And when you want a Y-Wing, don't pay 100k for the blueprint from the local ripoff artist. Come to Honest Dan's Starships and pay 30k.
Luckly you are not on my server, or I would be buying all of your chassis then reselling them. Whats really funny is you think people are going to read this and swing by your shop. This is the shipwright forum.
Message Edited by loonatik on 11-08-2004 12:23 PM
loonatik wrote:
While you can [upgrade a Z95], its a waste of money. You could be getting better parts loaded up into a Y-Wing that will last you a lot longer.
Im not sure what you guys are havinga hard time seeing here.
Let's say that at 0100 you buy a Z95 with a m2 engine, m2 reactor, mid-grade weapon, proton and chaff launcher, 2 m1 armor, m1 booster and m1 chaff launcher. This comes out to 130k. You then use this up to 2211 (I did this and it worked great). Throw away or resell the old stuff because it is all obsolete now.
Now let's say that at 1100 you buy a Y-Wing with all m2 gear. This comes out to 210k. You then use this up to 2211 (Which I also believe you can). At this time you buy a Y-Long and fully outfit it. Throw away or resell the old stuff because it is all obsolete now.
What long term gain have you had by the extra 80k you spent on the Y-Wing? The purchase lasted the same exact duration but one was greater than the other. In the short term this 80k extra investment nets more protection at the expense of agility. However, with the loss of agility you kill slower and hit less meaning a net wash.
I'm not sure you understand what we are saying but I also think there is a "Player Style" issue involved. In terms of money the Z95 approach is better and not worse.
It is only 20,000 mass, which means, if you try to load it down with all level 3,5,7 parts, you are going to have to make sacrafices to fit into 20k mass.
The point is to skip the first Y-Wing and get the Y-Long at 2211. I don't think anyone is saying that mark 3 gear can be effectively used in a Z95.
Wasting your time with a 20k mass TRAINER SHIP is just pointless. I dont care how well you do with it, you COULD be doing much better.
If you aresaying investing in a1100 Y-Wing is a better investment to get to 2211 than a partially upgraded Z95 I'll disagree for the reasons stated above. The 2211 Y-Long is a good long term investment.