Pilot Archive
Thread: Jedi Pilots Deserve to use force powers IMO...
AnzelVincir wrote:
DeepFatFryer wrote:
AnzelVincir wrote:
psikobunny wrote:
See here's the real truth.
In case you missed the memo, THIS IS A STAR WARS GAME
Fixed.Jedi should be able to use force skills in space. Just as they did in every single movie, book, comic, etc. related to the Star Wars Universe.
""Flying against Tycho was probably the most difficult thing I'd ever done, and I had an edge in the Force. What he did, what Wedge did, without being able to use the Force made them far more special than any Jedi. They flew with their heart and brains and their entire being."
~Corran Horn, I, Jedi".
See. Even in the EU books Jedi use the Force in space...
Its also says in all the Eu books, the films and nearly every source i've read that there are no known force users, except darth vader, and 1 jedi left (that being yoda, luke isn't a jedi yet, and ben is dead).
You can quote anyone else you like, i expect kyle katarn to be thrown at me, but even he wasn't stupid enough to use his force powers out in the open in this time period.
If you say jedi should get benefits in space via the force in this time line because its in canon, you've just put forward the biggest reason why there shouldn't be any jedi at all. Its either have jedi and canon means squat, or we go exactly by canon and there are no jedi, and if there are force sensitive people, vader hunts them down and kills them, or boba fett does, or whatever.
Can't have it both ways i'm afraid.
Or have i just got saber envy?
/roll eyes
Manna wrote:
Starcloud wrote:
Manna--
The developers made a deliberate decision at the beginning of the Jump to Lightspeed design process, a year and a half ago, that the JtL/Space game would be completely separate from the Ground game, with the sole exception of the Shipwright profession.
Despite the *frequent* calls for Jedi skill in space from late JtL Beta onwards, the developers have not and will not budge from this position.
Had you searched the boards, you would have known this before making your original post.
Incidentally, I too have a Jedi character who is a pilot. I do *not* want Jedi skills in space, because I know that if that happens, Jedi XP loss will surely follow. And in JtL, PvP is brutally fast. One shot, one kill kind of fast. By the time you notice a Bounty Hunter shooting you, you'll already be looking at your ship exploding on the screen.
Further, there aren't any skill mods that Jedi skills can effect, really. "Missile Launching skill" is perhaps the only one that can be modified, and losing 300k+ Jedi XP each time I die in space is *not* worth the minimal addition wewould get.
This just isn't going to happen.
Wow, a literate post that although I don't agree with all of it, isn't defending the Pilot profession with ignorant defensiveness..
Anyone that has played for any amount of time knows that anything the Devs have said can andwill be changed so there is no line that can't be crossed as far as I am concerned.
Btw, I agree with XP loss in space...whatever a jedi can use in space is open game.
Well I see you stated in an earlier posting of your inferiority complex that you have relied on jedi skills so long that you think you are justified in having jedi skills in space too. You also recognize that the devs have plainly stated that they are not going to give jedi special skills in space, however you ignore this since you think that just because you are a jedi you should have an "I win button" in space" and there is no line that can't be crossed for Jedi. Its this attitude that has destroyed the GCW on the ground and its this attitude that wants to destroy any semblance of balanceof GCW in space. Your arrogance and selfishness astounds me.
Manna: Hey everyone I'm a UBER Jedi on ground but I suck at flying in space without my Jedi skills. I want to be more UBER than all these mundanes so lets add Jedi skills in space.
Devs: Um no.
Pilots: Stay on the ground if you want Jedi skills.
That about sums it up. You don't care about balance or the game you just want to be uber in everything. You actually earn skill in space PvP. You learn it the hard way by losing and fighting and learning actual tactics just like everyone else. Your piloting skill, your ship, and your equipment is the only things you have keeping you alive in space. Not button mashing or simply the amount of time you have played. You stated earlier that you think every one in this forum thinks they are a GOD...no you are wrong you think you should be a GOD simply because you are Jedi. I can't help it if jedi skills are your crutch that allows you to win. Get over it.
Message Edited by Graxul on 07-23-2005 10:17 PM
Manna wrote:
How much out of your normal lifes' course has been changed just because of my opinion?Wow, the power of a forum that has no impact to reality.
How bout this, I will continue to go on with my SWG experience and believe that feelings are feelings, innate powers are powers and they all should be available at anytime if you have them. Maybe females shouldn't be as good of pilots because they lack the brain-size of males right? Or maybe their natural intuition that males don't have should be turned off so that you male pilots can keep your self importance in tact.
I am sure if I have the ability to Root a Krayt then your little girly ship may not be too much to ask.
Hey, but you have a lot invested in "pilot" ...lol...Pilot, that is just so funny to me.
Oh by the way, I will master pilot in about 1 week. I can't wait to feel the rush of self worth that I will feel, the feeling so close to Godliness that Satan will have nightmares of me, Oh, my trembling heart...peace be still, peace be still.
I think you'll find why there has been so much hostility to this thread of yours other than the fact this a dead horse thats way past its flogging days, is one word: Deserve
Why do you deserve the edge over someone else in the space game when all the benefits you've worked for are tied into and a earned on the ground? Why should you get free "skills" because you've ground out my XP on the ground, while you're in space? Its not a logical progession in game terms. All the risks that give the jedi their 1.5x advantage on the ground are gone in space. You cannot be hunted, deaths don't cause xp loss, you don't gain visibility, so why should you get the rewards there, while you have none of the risk?
To further explain the problem with the request you made (well actually it sounded more like a demand) is that the only really advantage the force gives one in space is better reflexes, and as pointed out, there's not way to put that in a twitched based game. Unless SOE have made some sort of neural enhancer and come and bolt it into you brain so you can play better.
Of course when people disagree with you, and for seven long pages numerous people have put forward good arguments as to why this a) will never happen b) couldn't work and c) why it makes no sense, you still feel the need to insult the community of the profession which you will soon be master of, and obviously cared enough about to make this thread. Why did you feel the need to do this? You have accused us of being pig headed and egotistical, when its you who was dealing out the slurs when people had different opinons to you. Of course you say that feelings are feelings, and we should give you your right to have them, and of course you do, but by that same token we all have the right to feel we disagree with your feelings. If you don't like of opinions, give counter arguments as to why you think the statement you put forward should be so, or leave the conversation as it is. That would be the mature way to deal with the situation, and would of made this process alot easier.
But things happened as they did, and i dare say you'll now flame me for having the cheek to disagree with you, and god forbid, explain my reasons logically and clearly.
So to sum up, you have the right to have the opinion that jedi should have force powers in space, but thats a very mis guided and arrogant opinion, which i hope i enlightened you to in the post above.
After all, with no Jedi powers it sucks in and of itself, and it's populated by players with esteem issues, God complexes and other deviant personality types.
Oh wait, I get it now!
Manna is the first of a new breed of pilot! The kind, caring pilot who's looking out for EVERYONE in the game and only trying to keep the playing field somewhat even so that ANYONE, no matter their ground profession (be them pure crafter or Lvl 80 fighter) can enjoy the experience!
Put me SQUARELY on Manna's side of things now!
Manna wrote:
Maybe females shouldn't be as good of pilots because they lack the brain-size of males right?
Manna wrote:
How much out of your normal lifes' course has been changed just because of my opinion?
Wow, the power of a forum that has no impact to reality.
How bout this, I will continue to go on with my SWG experience and believe that feelings are feelings, innate powers are powers and they all should be available at anytime if you have them. Maybe females shouldn't be as good of pilots because they lack the brain-size of males right? Or maybe their natural intuition that males don't have should be turned off so that you male pilots can keep your self importance in tact.
I am sure if I have the ability to Root a Krayt then your little girly ship may not be too much to ask.
Hey, but you have a lot invested in "pilot"...lol...Pilot, that is just so funny to me.
Oh by the way, I will master pilot in about 1 week. I can't wait to feel the rush of self worth that I will feel, the feeling so close to Godliness that Satan will have nightmares of me, Oh, my trembling heart...peace be still, peace be still.
AnzelVincir wrote:
Me neither. But I did see Luke (at Ben's urging) use the Vehicle Control branch, the Ranged Accuracy branch, and the Luck branch all at once when he blew the pi$s out of the Death Star. It was right at the end of ANH in case you missed it
Nope, He switched of his targeting computer as it is useless, ALL pilots KNOW that anyway! Then he just gave the target a little lead! The Han Solo saved his arse.
Washell wrote:
Manna wrote:
Maybe females shouldn't be as good of pilots because they lack the brain-size of males right?
Can't let this go by. Females can withstand higher g-forces. The female brain is also capable of concentrating on several things at once. Males suffer rapidly from tunnelvision and fly straight into a mountain while messing with the fuelflow gauge. In general flying, females are better pilots.In combat flying, the males natural aggresiveness and the ability to have a higher level of concentration on a single thing (the enemy) gives the male a slight edge.As for your opinion: Why should the (possible afk) slaughtering of several thousand creatures give you an advantage in space? Ground: RPG based, Space: Twitched based. Dev's have said from the start, no things from ground will carry over into space.
Personally, I enjoyed the part where he cited "Womens Intuition".
AnzelVincir wrote:
Jedi should be able to use force skills in space. Just as they did in every single movie, book, comic, etc. related to the Star Wars Universe.
Funny, there were no Jedi in the Lando Calrissian trilogy, or eitherof the Han Solo trilogies, so thats NINE books right there that have loads of superior flying in them and not a single lightstick in sight!
Manna wrote:
How much out of your normal lifes' course has been changed just because of my opinion?
Wow, the power of a forum that has no impact to reality.
How bout this, I will continue to go on with my SWG experience and believe that feelings are feelings, innate powers are powers and they all should be available at anytime if you have them. Maybe females shouldn't be as good of pilots because they lack the brain-size of males right? Or maybe their natural intuition that males don't have should be turned off so that you male pilots can keep your self importance in tact.
I am sure if I have the ability to Root a Krayt then your little girly ship may not be too much to ask.
Hey, but you have a lot invested in "pilot"...lol...Pilot, that is just so funny to me.
Oh by the way, I will master pilot in about 1 week. I can't wait to feel the rush of self worth that I will feel, the feeling so close to Godliness that Satan will have nightmares of me, Oh, my trembling heart...peace be still, peace be still.
I already agreed that if you absolutely are that lame at flying that you should be able to use the Force powers already given to you.I also pointed out how useless they would be. There is no mechanic available to simulate the 'small extra edge' that a Force user would get.
OH NO YOU DIDN'T! Actually females make BETTER pilots than males, ask the Israeli Air Force. They are smaller, have better eye hand coordination, more body fat to absorb higher G-forces...
Hmm... I am sure there is more than just me saying "NO" so your theory that male pilots are the only ones arguing here is invalid.
But you'll still be a bad pilot... and with your attitude, how many people are going tohelp you take on the Vette?
Oh, to be on Ahazi to watch the whooping Manna is going to get if he ever dares venture into DS...
I'm gonna get an arse chewin for this probably, butI wanna chime in again.
Vader did use force choke in space, while he was on an Imperial Star Destroyer.
Luke used the force to sabre-block the seeker drones lasers while practicing on the 'Falcon.
Other than that,I didn't see any force wielder flying a ship who wasn't about to have his behind handed to him by a non-force wielder andjust gotlucky.
So when they implement the capitol ship raids, or if you wanna duel someone on a POB (does that even work?), go ahead and use all the force powers you want. Just please do us non-jedi a favor and yell out, "FOOOOOOOORCE!" real loud so we know to pray to our gods before being utterly devastated by your power. Thanks!
Not sure why :/
Was going to use my Y-8 as an interference-free dueling arena
