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One problem with this is free repairs in DS, my X hasnt loss any chassis points at all in the months since I mastered pilot! and as you get the ships at 4xxx you arent that far from master, especially in a ship so vastly overpowered!

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Ooola if you read the Post you might find that it wasn't CuchulainnDarklight who started this post. and personally i think your only spamming this post because your bored and dont have anything important to say. the rest of us are trying to talk about it. you just seem to want to an arguement

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Neogame wrote:

Ooola if you read the Post you might find that it wasn't CuchulainnDarklight who started this post. and personally i think your only spamming this post because your bored and dont have anything important to say. the rest of us are trying to talk about it. you just seem to want to an arguement

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Thank you, and where were you yesterday - I didnt see you at the space battle (not that there was many of any faction there), half the rebels after 9 were just my guild (all the rebels made up one squad :smileysad - we had great fun blowing up evil oppressors like you

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Ooola wrote:

Look, you're obviously passionate about the game and so am I. But you do keep changing your argument. What exactly are you looking for? What EXACTLY would you do?

Here, I'll go first.

1.) Make all future rewards be in the form of schematics that need to be taken to SWs.

2.) Shipwrights then craft the blueprints that need to be taken to the Chassis dealer (remember those?)

3.) Each faction gets a separate quest for the JSF, the Grievous, and the ARC. (man did the privateers get screwed or what? I never even bought RotW for her)

4.) Introduce addtional heavy models such as the heavy A-Wing, Interceptor, etc. to achieve your "balance"

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Ooola please stop flaming and trolling in the hopes of getting this thread shut down its against the forum rules.

My views are plainly in view above in reply # 182 in red.

Please anybody reading this i direct you to said reply to see my views (as if you care :smileyhappy!

Just to clarify - the greivous is not an adequate countermeasure to the JSF as adding more unbalanced ships does not magically balance the game - plus the greivous hip and quest are currently bugged and when working require a team of max templated jedi to complete the quest! Every ship in game has to be balanced with each other! Just like the ground game balanced all the weapons and skills - it was called the CU you might have heard of it!

I have to say: from point 3 above it is obvious you are unknowledgable on the subject of the new ROTW ships, The ARC170 is not a freelancer reward. Please do not post unsubstantiated claims and try to pass them of as fact!

And finally please refrain from fully quoting previous posts ad infinitum as forum etiquette is that you trim the unneeded/wanted bits so that other users do not have to wade through the same material over and over again.

Finally, I do not change my arguements - they still stand!

Please do not try to misrepresent what I say just because you dont agree with it!

That is a very underhanded tactic to use to try to win arguments when it is obvious you have no rational points to make yourself.

My argument is very simple - the new ships are not balanced, most regular space players agree with this, therefore they need balanced.

It is easier to balance the 6-7 new ships within the existing system of balance in space than to creat a new system of balance around the new ships and try to change the 30 odd old ships to fit this new system!

Oh and you keep talking about the greivous and said "do your enemies not fly the greivous?". No they dont, because it is orders of magnitude harder to get and is not as good a ship as the JSF!

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KyrYxus wrote:

The Jedi Fighter is terrible for Corvette runs but great for PVP, the Krayt is great for vette runs but terrible for PVP. Therefore the Jedi Fighter is not strong in every area. The jedi fighter is great for corv runs, it has great speed and manouverability for dodging incoming fire and 2 guns and 1 torp tube, more than enough to quickly take out gun 5 and the shields and engines (faster and safer than any other ship can). If you are not sure how to combat the corvette there are stickies and faqs at the top of the pilot forum that can help you.

Not everyone can get a Jedi Fighter, which I do believe was a major reason this thread was started, unless they leave their faction (unless, obviously, they are imperial to begin with).

I've been around (JTL) since the first stages of beta, haven't trolled the JTL / pilot boards in some months, and this is the EXACT same debate that raged from launch regarding the A-Wing and the fact that neither the Imps nor the Freelancers had a ship that was truly equal to it for PVP. This is completely wrong - ask any good imperial pilot if the Awing is uber and theyll point you to the Advanced with its better manouverability and more guns or the interceptor with its better manouverability or the Oppressor with its deadly 3 missiles. This "the Awing used to be uber" argument is spurious and untrue, if you need further information on ship stats try the stickies at the top of the pilot forum these should help you understand ships and piloting better mate. EDIT: sorry didnt mean you per se just the people who perpetuate this particular lie.

The only REAL problem with the Actis is that it is only a reward and it bypasses the SW's. Sorry, but the JSF is better than ALL other ships when it comes to manouverability, this coupled with its very high mass and high firepower and small profile mean it is unbalanced within the current space balancing system.

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Bits above in red - sorry i didnt reply earlier to your post - ooolas trolling near swallowed it!

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DarthEnderX wrote:

I really have a problem with the way they handle the new "heavy" ships to be honest. I could understand making heavy versions of current ships, maybe adding another 30% to the overall mass. But when the heavy ships have double, or in the case of the Tier 0 ships, way more than double (9.5 times more to be exact), the carrying capacity, that just doesn't make any sense?

Heavy ships should have just enough increased mass to put them on par with ships of the level above their original level.

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Yup thats a major problem too mate see bit in red above

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FrankMDavis wrote:

Typical reb always crying!!! All of you want to nerf everything that has an advantage over you. I will make this as simple as I can. I will be looking for you in space, and when I see you I will blast you into the next Galaxie!!! This way you can cry some more.

P.S. Bring a wingman!!!

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Another well thought out argument!

Anyway anytime your ready, no doubt youll be in a JSF and no doubt you got no kills in PvP before ROTW, ill be glad to see you in space. Or perhaps you are not on chimaera in that case , start a toon there - get a starter ship from your trainer, I will do the same and we will then see who is the better pilot. Though i cant see this happening!

And your right - most people in a balanced game want to balance new content THAT HASNT BEEN BALANCED YET whether they are imp reb or freelancer (this means for every advantage you have you suffer a detriment somewhere else). Why? cause otherwise the game dies. In the space game a balance model exists - it is their to keep the game fun for everyone and therefor keep people playing. So dont be to sad when the nw ships get a balance pass and your JSF is changed to fit in with the balance system in place in space. When that happens you can hide outside DS again before you had an unbalanced piece of loot to greif with.

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CuchulainnDarklight wrote:

Ooola please stop flaming and trolling in the hopes of getting this thread shut down its against the forum rules.

Disagreeing with you isn't trolling or flaming. Quoting your contradictions in order to clarify what you are saying isn't either.

Just to clarify - the greivous is not an adequate countermeasure to the JSF as adding more unbalanced ships does not magically balance the game - plus the greivous hip and quest are currently bugged and when working require a team of max templated jedi to complete the quest! Every ship in game has to be balanced with each other! Just like the ground game balanced all the weapons and skills - it was called the CU you might have heard of it!

The JSF quest is just as bugged. And I have heard of the CU. It was the result of two years (see date by nameon left)of people asking for nerf after nerf after nerf. We can quote those too if you'd like but I don't think it would help and I don't think it's the real arument here.

I have to say: from point 3 above it is obvious you are unknowledgable on the subject of the new ROTW ships, The ARC170 is not a freelancer reward. Please do not post unsubstantiated claims and try to pass them of as fact!

OMG, that's not what was said. What I'm saying is that the current freelancer reward (not the ARC) is cheese. I won't bother to buy RotW for my alt because of this. Please quit making conclusions about my knowledge if you don't read what I say.

Finally, I do not change my arguements - they still stand!

Um... There is a page worth of quotes where you try to change your arguments. Which ones stand? The original ones that I quotedor the ones where you try to change the original ones? Please clarify.

That is a very underhanded tactic to use to try to win arguments when it is obvious you have no rational points to make yourself.

I don't want to 'win' anything. I'm trying to understand why out ofmore than half a dozen ships recently added to the game you keep asking to nerf and/or remove (as quoted above over and over) one of them?

My argument is very simple - the new ships are not balanced, most regular space players agree with this, therefore they need balanced.

It is easier to balance the 6-7 new ships within the existing system of balance in space than to creat a new system of balance around the new ships and try to change the 30 odd old ships to fit this new system!

This is where I think we have the real issue. The rest is all just nonsense arguments and name calling, etc. When JTL first came out I played with SW on the Blue Frogs. I loved it so much that I got a second account and did the big grind to Master Shipwright. It was fun for a while but then people really quit launching into space. As a MSW I have access to some of the best resources that ever spawned on Corbantis and I still couldn't come even close to stuff that literally fell from space. And oh yeah did I mention it was FREE?

I thought about cancelling my SW completely when I saw the new RotWships. I spent weeks organizing and collecting/buying new resources. Setting up vendors in our mall, etc. Only to find that the new ships were quested and not crafted! Yes, I agree nerfi... excuse me, "balancing" the new ships would be the easiest solution. You have no argument from me there.

My problem is that it's the wrong solution. I would support that solution if they made SW 0 skill points but that's not going to happen. That's why I would like to see the new ships be crafted AND have mods/upgrades for the old ships to balance against them. That way we can keep an entire other community of SWs in business and achieve some sense of balance.

An alternative solution would be to... sit down... are you sitting?... 'balance' the JSF and Grievious against the A-Wing IF and only IF the mass on CRAFTED components came down to 'balance' this change. Right now most people are using looted/re'd/FREE components in thier A-Wings, Interceptors, Advanced, etc. If as a SW I could craft stuff that you would actually use instead of RE'ing stuff for FREE then there would be no problem with a 65K JSF.

Either the other smaller ships (A-Wing, Interceptor, etc.) need to have mods to bring them up to 90K like the JSF or the CRAFTED components need to come down inmass so that 65K fighters can compete without using REd (FREE) components.

If you disagree then fine butplease tell me that's NOT flaming/trolling.

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Yes you have been flaming and trolling and abusive and you have broken the forum rules which is why quite a few of your posts were removed.

Yes you did say the arc was a freelancer reward.

No my arguments neverchange - you just quote parts of what i say out of context.

The JSF quest is orders of magnitude easier and is faction specific compared to the grievous quest and at the end of the greivous quest you get a ship which isnt as good as the JSF.

I havenever asked for the new ships to be removed or nerfed, I have asked for them to be BALANCED so they areNOT removed or nerfed. Please try to understand the distinction here most other people understand it.

SW crafted components are in the process of being improved at the moment - perhaps you should try to keep up with ongoing developments in this field. It has been stated by devs that they are moving crafted components to be as good as loot - what you dont seem to understand is the difference between loot components and REed components. REed components (if REed well) should be superior to loot/crafted components.

My well kitted out ships DO use crafted components as well as REed components as in a lot of areas SW crafted stuff is better than 99% of the loot you get. It is REing lots of these 1% good loot drops together that give you great components.

Here you mention balancing the new ships with the Awing, what is your fixation with the Awing? The new ships (all of them as i keep repeating, niot just the JSF, though it needs it the most) all require a balance pass to fit in with the CURRENT system of balance that exists in space.

If as you suggest you start improving the stats of some of the "original" ships then you have to improve ALL the original ships and create a whole new balance system! whereas a MUCH easier solution is to balance the new ships which havent been properly tested or balanced before release.

An example of this would be to balance the Awing you would need to increase its YPR, increase its mass, to above the JSFs as the jsf has more firepower and similar profile- this then has to be done with EVERY ship, and every ship then has to be rebbalanced with every other over and over again until the system works. This gives you the same result as balancing just the new ships - the ships are all balanced and the new ships arent uber anymore - it just takes 100 times the work to achieve!

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