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Thread: Jedi Pilots Deserve to use force powers IMO...
Manna wrote:
So, this is absolutely ridiculous. I post my opinion on something that makes complete sense to everyone except you overconfident pilots with the biggest sense ofentitlement since the Nazis and you guys spend the next 24+ hours trying to cut me down and make me feel foolish...like you people, that have as much impact on my wellbeing as a box full of handicapped children, are going to influence me to the point that I regret my decision to be contrary to you and your selfish, obsolete points on pilot.
Now, regardless if your selfish opinions include fact or not, the FACT is, is that there are advantages that Jedi have in space as pilots no less. If you don't like that fact then go play EvE or whatever the hell other game so you can show your Napolean Dynamite Pilot skills, along with yourbowstaffskills andyour nunchuck skills without us "Gods" ruining your fantasy. I am sorry there is an inferiority complex with you all, I really am, but I wish we could get past it.
Oh but to add to your inferiority complex, Jedi is THE Star Wars calling card, not pilot. First thing most non myopians think of is and will always be Jedi....sorry, it's science.
Message Edited by Manna on 07-22-2005 08:05 PM
You don't get it, do you? You, having pointed out you're a rookie pilot (and by rookie, i mean you aren't very experienced OR knowledgeable) I think the people who've been flying for several months now (many have SEVERAL masteries) know what they're talking about.
You ain't special. There's a THOUSAND other jedi, probably on your server alone. Jedi ain't special. ANYONE, i repeat, ANYONE can be one of you damned jedi. It takes a few badges, a couple hours of time to master a prof, a couple days for the old man/sith attacks, and a couple months to achieve jedi itself. Nothing to it.
Manna wrote:
So, this is absolutely ridiculous. I post my opinion on something that makes complete sense to everyone except you overconfident pilots with the biggest sense of entitlement since the Nazis and you guys spend the next 24+ hours trying to cut me down and make me feel foolish...like you people, that have as much impact on my wellbeing as a box full of handicapped children, are going to influence me to the point that I regret my decision to be contrary to you and your selfish, obsolete points on pilot.
Now, regardless if your selfish opinions include fact or not, the FACT is, is that there are advantages that Jedi have in space as pilots no less. If you don't like that fact then go play EvE or whatever the hell other game so you can show your Napolean Dynamite Pilot skills, along with your bowstaff skills and your nunchuck skills without us "Gods" ruining your fantasy. I am sorry there is an inferiority complex with you all, I really am, but I wish we could get past it.
Oh but to add to your inferiority complex, Jedi is THE Star Wars calling card, not pilot. First thing most non myopians think of is and will always be Jedi....sorry, it's science.
Message Edited by Manna on 07-22-2005 08:05 PM
Maybe it makes complete sense to Jedi, but based on the evidence posted in this particular (and other's I might add) thread, it seems it makes no sense to the one group that matters most concerning the topic at hand. PILOTS.
A sense of entitlement? Laughable considering that's precisely what we're arguing against. You on the other hand feel that since you've 'accomplished' something in the ground game, you're now 'entitled' to having that 'accomplishment' affect the space game. Now, BY DESIGN this is something that should not, and has been promised WILL NOT happen. EVER. To expect that to change based upon nothing more than your own inadequacies and lack of motivation is in fact rooted in your sense of entitlement.
Yes, most of us are in fact quite overconfident. We've earned the right to be since our skills are based on our personal abilities, not exploiting a numerical combat system. As far as making you to feel foolish, rightfully so. Again, this is a subject that has been rehashed many many times with the consensus changing not a bit. The people most active in space do NOT want the ground game's modifiers affecting pilot skills in ANY way. Get over that and you've taken a huge step.
The advantages Jedi have in space? Not in this game, and as the dev's have stated: We have deviated from canon sufficiently enough that those arguments hold no water. If you utilize the 'Chewbacca Defense' you have to also accept there should be very few, if ANY Jedi in this timeline, there should be no shields or hyperdrives on TIE Fighters along with MANY other changes to canon. Check your own Jedi boards, arguments AGAINST the use of canon is utilized there in your profession's defense quite often.
The inferiority complex appears to be entirely on your side dear, as you're the one asking for special advantages in space, we're the ones (many of us Jedi btw) who are arguing against basing space prowess upon anything other than our own skills.
If Jedi is THE Star Wars calling card then I suggest you plant yourself firmly in Mos Eisley in front of the starport so all the newly arriving players may get their fix immediately. You're not wanted nor needed in space with those of us who take pride in our accomplishments with having anything handed to us. I can't help but laugh quietly to myself at the thought of the responses I've read on the Jedi boards to non or newly acquired Jedi attempting to suggest changes to your profession.
I suggest that if you don't like it, then YOU should perhaps remove yourself to another game, leaving those of us happy with space to continue to enjoy it.
Everyone take notes on his literary forum and flow of logic? Now that ladies and gents is an artistic flaming if ever i saw one! JeebusCrisp i bow to your superior forum skills!
EDIT: And not a single edit from him either! Very sold punch. (unlike this post with a few edits for grammer
)Message Edited by Ducimus on 07-22-2005 09:25 PM
/hiss Manna
/boo Manna
/leaveMannaInDeepSpaceWithNoShip HA! Make your friggin' Jebi skills save you NOW!
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Almost forgot,
/rottenTomatoHeadShot1 Manna
Message Edited by BuzzBot on 07-22-2005 09:20 PM
Manna wrote:
So, this is absolutely ridiculous. I post my opinion on something that makes complete sense to everyone except you overconfident pilots with the biggest sense ofentitlement since the Nazis and you guys spend the next 24+ hours trying to cut me down and make me feel foolish...like you people, that have as much impact on my wellbeing as a box full of handicapped children, are going to influence me to the point that I regret my decision to be contrary to you and your selfish, obsolete points on pilot....
Ducimus wrote:
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Everyone take notes on his literary forum and flow of logic? Now that ladies and gents is an artistic flaming if ever i saw one! JeebusCrisp i bow to your superior forum skills!
EDIT: And not a single edit from him either! Very sold punch. (unlike this post with a few edits for grammer
Message Edited by Ducimus on 07-22-2005 09:25 PM
Need to edit the edit for spelling, too. 
To be honest, this thread needs a stickification. Leave Mannaboy mounted on a glowing pike as a warning to visitors who think the ability to program an AFK macro to grind out a profession amounts to some kind of mechanics entitlement where his ubar program hax mean nothing.
We, the pilots of the pilots forum, do not feel that the addition of Jedi only skills to the space portion of Star Wars Galaxies would be beneficial to the space game as a whole.
I agree with the other pilots. The only point that Jedi's having skills in space would be acceptable is if Jedi were overt 24/7 in space, got a penalty to space xp as well as ground based force xp when killed, and bounty hunters would be able to attack them in space.
At that point I would still be upset at the addition but I would satisfy that anger by hunting the Jedi in space.
Manna wrote:
So, this is absolutely ridiculous. I post my opinion on something that makes complete sense to everyone except you overconfident pilots with the biggest sense ofentitlement since the Nazis and you guys spend the next 24+ hours trying to cut me down and make me feel foolish...like you people, that have as much impact on my wellbeing as a box full of handicapped children, are going to influence me to the point that I regret my decision to be contrary to you and your selfish, obsolete points on pilot.
Now, regardless if your selfish opinions include fact or not, the FACT is, is that there are advantages that Jedi have in space as pilots no less. If you don't like that fact then go play EvE or whatever the hell other game so you can show your Napolean Dynamite Pilot skills, along with yourbowstaffskills andyour nunchuck skills without us "Gods" ruining your fantasy. I am sorry there is an inferiority complex with you all, I really am, but I wish we could get past it.
Oh but to add to your inferiority complex, Jedi is THE Star Wars calling card, not pilot. First thing most non myopians think of is and will always be Jedi....sorry, it's science.
Message Edited by Manna on 07-22-2005 08:05 PM
I dont get it, I need this clarified.
You post asking demanding that an entire segment of the game you are unfamiliar with be changed to suit you and your small minority, ok I get that.
We post representing the larger and more knowledgeable segment of the people who use and enjoy space, and tell you your demandsare unreasonable and foolish, ok got that too.
You post again and tell us we're selfish for trying to maintain the good of the game for the many instead of the few, yup.... you lost me.
Someone explain to me how that's selfish?
Question for you Manna (and any others who want Jedi to affect space). You do realize what would happen if Force powers enhanced space, correct?
With Reward comes Risk.
Thats right, right now if you go into space as a Jedi, no Bounty Hunter can touch you because the two games are seperate. The instant Jedi alters space, the risk of a BH will come with it. In space PvP right now, if one person has a significant element of surprise on the other, he will win. A Bounty Hunter mission is the ultimate surprise, and if that change came every Jedi in space would lose. On the ground, a Jedi can not attack back until the Bounty Hunter has attacked first, correct? Image that in a near one hit kill environment. As long as the Bounter Hunter does not fire, he can take his time lining up his shot until he has the perfect shot on you and then in the instant of one salvo of missiles or one volley of blaster fire, you Sir Jedi will die. And all you can do to prevent it is dodge and run, you will not be able to fire back until he fires first.
In an instant, you would lose Jedi xp. You would be dead before you could hit /forceheal or anything like that. The situation you so blindly want would be the death of every Jedi pilot. All the Force Powers you want will do nothing to protect you against a Bounty Hunter in space.
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SonofKashyyk wrote:
Sillyrabbit, you're full of words. As the psalmist wrote, "A fool uttereth all his mind, but a wise man keepeth it in until afterwards." Calm down bunny.
It's funny that one obscure Wookiee Pilot can evoke such wrath from you. But hey, you wouldn't hound me if you didn't care, right?
I personally would like to test my skills against a Jedi Pilot who had force skills in Space. It would be a WELCOMED content addition for me. Aside from all the worn out space content out there now, it would be a CHALLENGE.
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Your Kidding right?
If you went against a Jedi with all his/her powers in space, you would be dead in about 1/10 of a Nano-Second..!!
Think about it.......A BH on the ground with a 2nd Prof as back up, has skills specific for countering a Jedi. In space you have your twitch. Your Skills won't count but his will & don't forget, he has all the same Pilot Skills as you also...!! So he will win every single time & you will be lucky to get a shot off. So why on earth would you want to subject your self to abeatinglike that?
Unless they gave BH some Anti-Jedi skills for space as well, it would be totally un-balanced.
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On the other hand, while we are on the subject of Jedi in space...........
While Ido not like the idea of a jedi in space, being able to heal his ship, reflect nearly all enemy fire, increase speed indefinately, create a super shield around their ship & what ever else a jedi can do on the ground.
I would however, be all for BH being able to extend their hunting into space & recieve their bounties there too..!!!!
Sim-ply put, If someone catches you in Kessel or DS & attacks you, its fair game. So whats the Difference if your a Jedi in Kessel or DS? You can be attacked anyway by another playerof the oppisite faction. You have agreed to PvP while you are there, so whats the difference if you are a jedi with a bounty on your head...?
You canbe attacked & killed by other players anyway and probably will be. So whats the difference if the person who kills you is a opposing faction or a BH? And if its a BH, why shouldn't they ge the bounty for you?
Message Edited by BobaFettish on 07-23-2005 12:01 AM