Pikeman Archive
Thread: all u masters need to look at ur skills before u whine
So if I use a skill that I am good at to accomplish a task it automaticaly means that something I'm not good at is a viable skill as well?
IamDaniel I think you are missing the point.
He is using skills from other classes to make up for the inadequicies of the Pikeman class, and then saying that it is the Pikeman skills that are accomplishing these feats.
I know this because I am doing exactly what he is doing, taking up TKA to take advantage of the stackable defense mods and the toughness in TKA that pikeman doesn't provide, just to make my Pikeman skills feasible.
The bad thing about it is, I feel I was forced into this position. My initial goal was to take up a crafting class while using Pikeman as my combat class, until I realized that I couldn't get much done with Pikeman as a class, so I ended up having to take up other combat skills just to survive.
Every class should have some usefulness in itself.
Consider this, If I was to get into a Kung-Fu fight fight but my Kung-Fu sucks, so half way through the fight I remember that I'm a pretty good shooter and pull out a gun and shoot my opponent. Yeah, sure, I won the fight, hurray for me, but it doesn't mean my Kung-Fu isany good.
And neither is Pikeman.
I am confident that the will make the class feasible in itself one day, but as of now, the class is broken all to hell.
Cyborg, think about it. He mentioned using action bleed 1+2 on the Kimo before he took out his vibroknucklers. The Kimo had to have died to bleed, and not his unarmed hit 2s, because he was a novice tka and Kimos have like heavy armor. So in that sense,it was mainly his Pikeman skills that killed the Kimo, not the tka skills. He used intimidate 2 and warcry 2 also, yes, but master Brawler itself is like an add-on to any elite melee profession, it's not a stand-alone profession, and it's meant to help you more if you already have an elite melee. And since he was a novice TKA, guess what? He did NOT have more toughness with the TKA side than his Pikeman side. Master Pikeman with master Brawler has a total of 31 toughness. Novice TKA with master Brawler only has 25. He took out his vibroknucklers so he could get a bit of exp from the Kimo with it.
And considering the screenshot of his long vibro axe, I can imagine how hard the bleed landed. It's perfectly reasonable even if he said he tanked the Kimo with just Pikeman, and not TKA. I've dealt with Kimos before, and they deal about 1000 damage a hit unarmored. Now with the adv composites, it's possible to get near 70% kinetic and higher resist on the armor. I know, because I have a compo helm with 77% kinetic on it. Now do the math: 1000 damage, after going through 31 toughness, only about 700 damage remains. 700 damage goes through 80% kinetic composite armor will leave 140. 140 x 1/2 from intimidate 2 and you have a 70 damage hit. 70 damage from 1000!!! That's a big jump I know, but it's perfectly reasonable. If he had a bit of medic skills he can heal himself and actually last longer than the Kimo will from the bleed.
My whole point from this post is that he did NOT have to use his TKA skills to kill the Kimo. In fact, he relied mostly on his Pikeman bleeds, and partially on the support skills from master Brawler. I will not deny that a master TKA has more than double the toughness of a master Pikeman, but in this case, he could've just killed the Kimo with armor + bleed + intimidate. He only took out his TKA, like he said, to level it up a bit.
/Simplemon
Well, I think people that just complain are missing the point... Everyone can use all their SP to make a good character (I just hope they give creature-to-hit bonus from Scout to melee too:smileywink
. It is your decision to be Master ID/Master Pikeman or whatever. You can solo Kimos too, if you do know how to do it! Or do you people think that's same like soloing a nuna, with the exception that it has 100x more HAM?
YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT!
I just don't understand your reasons... you blame someone for doing things that many of us dream about? I think that's fair. If Apake knows how to solo a Kimo and CAN solo a Kimo, he deserves theright to do it. It's a free world, men, and you can do anything thatothers can.
Apake knows what a word PATIENCE means. I think that almost everyone here on PM forum lacks patience. Have you ever thought that the DEVs have maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany things to do and they are improving us just now? I have just seen a post on these forums where someone stated that these bonuses which we'll be gaining soon is worst than nothing... That's opinion that destroys community... Think about it. Be patient and you'll be rewarded. Cry now and then and you won't get nothing...
/bow Apoke
There should have been
"I think it's not fair" instead of"I think it's fair"
"you will get nothing" instead of "you won't get nothing"
Sorry for any other mistakes, I am still learning.
SlasherZet wrote:
Apake knows what a word PATIENCE means. I think that almost everyone here on PM forum lacks patience. Have you ever thought that the DEVs have maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany things to do and they are improving us just now? I have just seen a post on these forums where someone stated that these bonuses which we'll be gaining soon is worst than nothing... That's opinion that destroys community... Think about it. Be patient and you'll be rewarded. Cry now and then and you won't get nothing...
Ohh yes, the devs have waaaaaaaaaayyyyy more important things to do like fixing(nerting) BH/Commando/CH/Pistoleer/Rifleman/TKA(theres more)...and cry now we dont get anything eh? Thats not what happend with the commandos, they posted how bad they where over and over...look at them now.
I'd be nice if people knew the differance between crying and voicing our needs.
ApakeFromTarquinas wrote:
ummm,read my post, i used tka skills so i could get some exp, i've been capped at 900k polearm exp since july.......i didnt do it for the toughness, if u wanna watch me stand straight up with it and use regular attack with my long vibro axe i'll be happy to do that for u too
Capped since July? How long did it take you to master?
antares
master pikeman
no the whole point is a master pikeman should amount to more than a single move or whats the use of having a mastery
and that my hardies is the only point that matters
they have seen the numbers of people getting novice pikeman, and people actually mastering the proffession, when compared to other proffessions, the KD nerf in my opinion was what killed it for pikeman, why have area knockdown if the things u just knocked down can hit u again before ur ready for ur next move?........
these things will be looked into and fixed eventually, the point of this post wasnt to go into depth about soloing and killing things using different skills, it was to tell people not to whine about it, theres no use having so many posts complaining about it, u mentioned commandos, they got fixed because their class was totally useless, their weapon certs didnt work right, it took weeks for anyone to properly get any heavy weapons exp at all, pikeman has been "working as intended" since the beginning of the game, and is still a proffession that can hold its own
sure, i want improvements too, i want area knockdown to be worth something again, i want better defence, but all u people making posts like "im a master, and i died to a kaadu" or something stupid like that should just be slapped, its not the proffession that makes that happen, its the person
when the devs do make the proffession better, i really dont want to see something like what they did to commando, i mean, sure it would be good for the proffession to be that strong, but i wouldnt want a flood of new pikeman just because of the changes......
Yeah we hit harder, but as I have read in other posts, DPS = lowest of all melee.
If Pikeman gets some love I might even keep it, but sadly I am grinding through it, will be done in about 7 days from now so they better fix it soon.
Too bad too because I do seem to like the melee thing.
I agree with Yazule, I don't expect pikeman to be as versatile as TKA, but it's true, Pikeman don't really bring anything to the table.
If you are forming a PVE group, people would say, ok, we need a couple of marksman, A good medic or Doctor, A CH and a high level pet to tank (until the next patch at least), a commando would be nice for some high powered backup, and maybe a couple of TKA's for some more intuitive tanking and yours set.
If someone suggested looking for a pikeman they only answer he would get is "why?", or "what for?"
They don't bring anything significant or unique to the table, it used to be their group sweeping ability, but alas, no more.
Yazule wrote:
problem I see is pikeman doesnt bring anything to the table, you get TKA to make pikeman work... why not just be TKA... the animations are great for both classes after all lol, that is all pikeman brings to the table, cool animationg.
Yeah we hit harder, but as I have read in other posts, DPS = lowest of all melee.
If Pikeman gets some love I might even keep it, but sadly I am grinding through it, will be done in about 7 days from now so they better fix it soon.
Too bad too because I do seem to like the melee thing.
Goddamn, did you even read his posts? He did NOT get TKA to make pikeman "work", he switched to TKA so he could get some unarmed exp. As you can see(maybe you can't), he is proud of his class, unlike all these little whiners crying about being master and getting killed by a newbie creature. I'm a master brawler/swordsman, and guess what? I'm going to drop swordsman for this class as soon as I get all combat exp boxes. I know I won't regret it, even if it does have 10-20 less toughness. Why is that? Because I like the animations for this class, I like the weapons, I like the specials, I don't give a rat's ass if it's not as good or better than a tka's, all I care is that I enjoy this class.
Many of you aren't enjoying it because you... enjoy it. A lot of the whiners on this forum are the type of people that would only enjoy a class if it's as good if not better thanthe other classes. They expect balance, not knowing that balance in an mmorpg is impossible. Please, for Christ's sake, stop belittling your class, and just love it for what it is, not what you want it to be. If you must whine, go play another prof, because "if you don't beat them, you might as well join them," right? That's how most people in swg are, they hop on the bandwagon when a particular class becomes flavor of the month.
Oh and one more thing Yazule, since you're a master CH also, can I also assume that you got MCH to make pikeman work? Why not just be CH... the pets are way better tankers than a pikeman and you get to do tricks with them all day. Wow!
Whatever.
I think he's full of it.
he used Pike bleeds and went to the unarmed toughness.
With our pike toughness, he would have been ripped to shreds. and because he hasn't proved otherwise, I can't believe him.
I'm doing the same thing in some aspects. I pulled skills from every melee class in one form or another, to make me a much stronger fighter. but that doesn't make pikeman better. his melee and ranged defense are better than the lone pikeman, and because he's not using pikeman suicide HAM, he's not losing as much life (remember they made TKA's even more powerful by reducing their HAM). Tell me you wen't from front to back, beginning to end with just a Long Vibro axe (Or a basic lance, because they don't miss as much), then I'll be impressed.
I hear many a time that people die to chubas and other small creatures from using a pike. I don't. I kill Greater deserts, Mountain Worrts, Dragonets, and if I'm lucky, maybe even bigger things. But I must admit, a lot of these things are benefits from Master Brawler, like Intimidate2, Warcry2, and Berserk2. also I use my 2.3.0.0. TKA and my 0.4.0.0 Fencer and my 0.1.0.4. (going to master this too) along with my current 3.3.2.1 Pike skills (gonna master this of course). Now of course if you mastered Pike, you might actually have killed the Kimo.
Just don't come on this forum using uber-TKA skills and claim that Pikeman did this for you. that's plain stupid. the way I see it, you bled him, then stayed alive long enough with TKA toughness to see him die. Because either you killed him without the bleed (which means you're TK'ing it), or you killed him with the bleed (in which case you stayed alive long enough, and STILL didn't really use pike skills)
In either case, stop trying to sell me this, cuz I still ain't buying. show me the screenshot of the combat window using pikeman, and I'll retract what I said.
Hey it's great you could do this with pikeman, but if you did it with pikeman, couldn't you do it around 20x faster with TKM, or master swordsman, or any ranged class?
If you did it with pikeman, i can GARUNTEE it would be 20x easier and faster with just aobut any class.