Pikeman Archive

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antares_Kauri wrote:
Padre, no calls for swordsmen nerfs. Seriously, that's not necessary.

antares
master pikeman

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Ok how about a unified call for one of the following:

1) Block to work like Dodge and Counterattack

2) AP3 Weapon that isn't Kinetic/Energy damage type with damage in the 400 range

I vote for 1.

Padre

If you just want to lay down and take it which I know you don't then fine, but to do anything we need to kick up a storm. Being so few Pikemen, it will take a lot of kicking to get some action and probably not even then. So are you interested in laying down for a few more months or to at least go out in a blaze of glory?

Padre

They need to keep being our primary correspondent issues, everytime we let ourselves get distracted with the energy lance or whatever we are hamstringing our basic case. If we are going to cover the Energy Lance it needs to be AP3 400+ damage at the very minimum.

Padre

Another basic issue that needs to be a fundamental correspondent issue is to reword our 'damage' issue and be specific--the Vibro Lance needs to be AP2 and the Energy Lance needs to be AP3 400 damage+.

Padre

Lol, the most pathetic thing of all is that there's probably more Jedi now than Pikemen. What did the devs expect, putting every significant patch update for the last 6 months into Jedi development?

Can we say disproportionate? Putting90% of theirefforts into such a tiny group of people? Can you imagine what it would be like if Pikemen got all the attention Jedi got? We'd have been fixed months ago

Excuse those of us who don't care about Jedi for not thinking twice about your tefs & lightsaber problems You knew it was part of the risk - time to pay the piper... But Pikemen... /shudder Nobody warned *us* about the risks!

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CLab2021 wrote:

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atimes wrote:

Also CLab chill out. Everyone is complaining because no one got anything except DE's. I'm not a DE but I know that they have been totally neglected since launch. While our fixes are few they are more than them. The combat balance is where all combat profs will get their fixes and the DE's needed this.

They've eliminated pet wars now maybe we can get some more droids in the game.

As a doc I'm looking forward to the maintenence droids and the surveying droids.

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No I will not chill out...(I didnt think I was out of control anyway)...the DE fix is lame those droids are crap...and Combat Balance....pfft come on man..wise up..

This is the crappyiest publish yet..pile of crap yes indeed..SOE has failed yet agian...

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you have your opinion I have mine.

Oh and Padre Jedi's whine more than BH's. It's true. . .because my opinion is the right one

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PadreBook wrote:

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antares_Kauri wrote:

There are much more Jedi than 100, probably closer to 2000+. And the big reason why Jedi get 2 dedicated publishes is because so many people are only trying to be Jedi (less now that they are gaining a reputation as the whiniest, most exploiting group in the game), and Lucas has been pushing Jedi as a main part of the game...Jedi = $$$, unfortunately.

/hi5 gunman for both your comments.

antares

master pikeman

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Note, whiniest profession in the game is Bounty Hunter ('I want to grief Players/Jedi, make them lay down and die for me, preferably in front of my house, so I don't have to go far').

Padre

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Some of the bugs in BH are as bad as Pike bugs. BH's are not the whiniest profession anymore, if you read the boards, there are several good constructive posts. The BH's that post are not the griefing SOB's that you might associate with BH.

I do BH on my alt, and have no plans on griefing jedi. But now I'm getting off topic, so I'll stop. So no name calling and pointing fingers please

(*gasp*)

We are just alike.

I too am a master doc/ pikeman and a BH.

Theres a ton of whining on both sides. Singling out one just shows that same kind of pre-conceived notions that BH's are just a bunch of overpowered whining crybabies which is what we have been accused of since launch.

BH's have problems just like pikeman do.

Message Edited by atimes on 04-13-2004 02:05 PM

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atimes wrote:

(*gasp*)

We are just alike.

I too am a master doc/ pikeman and a BH.

Theres a ton of whining on both sides. Singling out one just shows that same kind of pre-conceived notions that BH's are just a bunch of overpowered whining crybabies which is what we have been accused of since launch.

BH's have problems just like pikeman do.

Message Edited by atimes on 04-13-2004 02:05 PM

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The thing is I know a lot of BH's and you know the ones that whine the least, ones that Mastered in the days of a quarter the investigation xp that you get now, llc's that have trouble killing a kreetle, armor was non-existent, having to buy droids from vendors, bugged mission rate was about 3 times what it is now, etc. I don't know what BH posts you guys read but I can randomly pick threads about combat on any galaxy or in the bh/jedi forums and see 'we are the most borked profession etc' comments by BH's. I will say that I am seeing less of that now, but still ridiculous amounts of that.

Good gosh, BH weaknesses are it has minimal additional defenses particularly for the skill cost and no LLC DoT attack. Rough. One of the main BH complaints boils down to there is no high level content for Bounty Hunters (uh Jedi Bounty Missions? that's more than every other profession?). Why should BH get special treatment in that regard?

Padre

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PadreBook wrote:

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atimes wrote:

(*gasp*)

We are just alike.

I too am a master doc/ pikeman and a BH.

Theres a ton of whining on both sides. Singling out one just shows that same kind of pre-conceived notions that BH's are just a bunch of overpowered whining crybabies which is what we have been accused of since launch.

BH's have problems just like pikeman do.

Message Edited by atimes on 04-13-2004 02:05 PM

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The thing is I know a lot of BH's and you know the ones that whine the least, ones that Mastered in the days of a quarter the investigation xp that you get now, llc's that have trouble killing a kreetle, armor was non-existent, having to buy droids from vendors, bugged mission rate was about 3 times what it is now, etc. I don't know what BH posts you guys read but I can randomly pick threads about combat on any galaxy or in the bh/jedi forums and see 'we are the most borked profession etc' comments by BH's. I will say that I am seeing less of that now, but still ridiculous amounts of that.

Good gosh, BH weaknesses are it has minimal additional defenses particularly for the skill cost and no LLC DoT attack. Rough. One of the main BH complaints boils down to there is no high level content for Bounty Hunters (uh Jedi Bounty Missions? that's more than every other profession?). Why should BH get special treatment in that regard?

Padre

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1. It's high end content that doesn't work. Jedi's can easily skirt the system by simply logging off and back on.

2. So when a BH complains about low defenses your reply is "rough". Should they tell us the same thing about our complaints about low defenses (even though we spend less than 217 skill points)? A pikeman has more defenses than a BH by the way.

Again opinions are just opinions. Both sides have major league whiners. BH's are sick and tired of having their end game ruined by someone simply typing /logout and being accused of being smacktard griefers (when it was the devs who put the missions there in the first place). Jedi are tired of being clone camped by idiot BH's who just want to ruin someone's day. Both sides have whiners, both sides have griefers and both sides have exploiters. What's your point? Have you seen Ace2, Maelstrom_1, Jonaku and the likes of them? Those guys belong in the whiners hall of fame.

Anyway back to pikeman issues. While I am happy about DE's getting some attention I am ticked at the total lack of attention given to pikemen. I just saw a thread where swordsmen get ANOTHER loot drop weapon.

Message Edited by atimes on 04-13-2004 05:19 PM

My problem with BH's complaining about Jedi logging on and off or WHATEVER else about Jedi, is that if you even hint at some sort of equitable punishment for dying to a Jedi on a Jedi Mission (where the BH CHOSE to accept) then they go woah no way they deserve it er I mean they know the risks. My favorite from the days of Permadeath was when they would tout that they were get this 'role-playing' and then get vehement when you suggest that they accept an equal level of risk, uh Jangu-Fett didn't go 'hey I'll take that mission because I know I can clone and just keep coming after that Jedi beyatch' no he said 'I'm confident I can take anyone down before they can take me' whoops. But BH's didn't want to hear that.

Padre

Discussions about regular classes having penalties comparable to Jedi will make this thread tank fast.

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antares_Kauri wrote:

Discussions about regular classes having penalties comparable to Jedi will make this thread tank fast.

antares
master pikeman

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tell me about it.

My final say on the subject.

Asking a BH to accept a penalty for losing to a JEDI is like asking an artisan to accept a penalty for losing to a TKM/Rifleman.

Jedi's are overpowered by design (at least that's the intent) and you want someone to accept a penalty when they lose to them?

No offense padre but that has never made sense to me.