Musician Archive

Message Edited by Beery on 08-08-2004 06:26 PM

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Juggerson wrote:

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NewJedi wrote:

Yes, the recursive macro is going away! I've lobbied for this change for months -- really since last year. I'm sort of stunned that they're actually going to do the right thing. YAY!

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Thanks for lobbying this. I am an ATK-Entertainer who usesrecursive macros, because I like to do my performance and be able to chat with the audience instead of hitting the flourish keys all the time.

Maybe you could lobby that the flourishes have to be hit in a special rythm? Make it that the flourish number appears on the screen every time and the musician has to follow it. Make it some dance-dance-sensation game.

Thanks for lobbying that your sight on it and your way to play is the only right one.

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Zaax wrote:

if i didnt have jsut a flourish macro when i am AT the KB i would go nuts. to have to punch the flourishes every 10 secs? so fine , you can compare it to a combat guy who needs to spam unarmed hit III, but this is diff. you dont realy see anything happen!

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yellow is new

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Beery wrote:

"i will not get into the larger argument regarding the effect this will have on other proffesions. (it will hurt badly)"

You couldn't help yourself. Why bother with the first sentence?

your right, i couldnt

"...i lerned you cant do a thing other than chat.if you move -you stop playing. you cant craft (unlike with doc, you can heal and craft at teh same time), you cant heal, you cant really do anything."

So you would say that playing music is nothing? It's clear to me why you don't want to keep the profession. You just don't understand it. No problem. Just dump it and be on your way. But don't disparage my profession and whine about itsimply because you can't come to grips with why others like it.

i was NOT disparaging it. it was just quite a shock to me. i can run and heal, i can run and shoot, heck i can run and craft too. Thats all i was refering too. that once you start the play animation - thats it - you are done other than punching in flourishes, as you said yourself.

yes i understand now thatmany players enjoy the flourish dimention and the change to the music capabilities it entails - and that is fine with.

"...how can you do anythign WITHOUT a macro?"

You punch in flourishes. Sure, macros are useful for creating and performing compositions, but what's your point? Macros aren't going anywhere. We'll still be using them if the game is here in 10 years time.

"...if i didnt have jsut a flourish macro when i am AT the KB i would go nuts.to have to punch the flourishes every 10 secs?

NO. YOU DON'T. Why is it that when the developers say that they're doing away with theRECURSIVE macro, so many peoplepretend they're doing away with ALL macros. It's just not true. IT'S NOT TRUE, and you know it. So don't lie about it.

once you must write long macros and then keep punching the macro button when it stops, is akin to doing away with macros, imho. its like saying a combat spechil will only now work , if you jump in the air before each spechail. its a pain. why add more work? and i never lie.

"...and dont give me the "make a long macro and just rehit the button " answer. why? why have to do that?"

Why not. It's a game. You don't get to decide the rules based on your preferences. If you don't likethe rulesthe developers install, don't play the game.

no, THIS was the the game has been played for the past year. and we all know what happens when small vocal (no pun intended) community (jedi i mean) complains. players have develaped styles according to the rules you so much respect. Now i am not agianst changing rules, if they make sence, and wont make sudden huge changes, when there areother paths that can be taken, asthere are threads here that prove it.and no i am not saying i am the the judge.

"...so there is just chatting, and for how many hours can i be at my KB just chatting??"

Clearly, if you ignore the creativity involved in putting on a show - if you ignore the music (which is why we're here), and since you don't like to chat, then the answer is 'not many'. But again, you've already stated that this isn't the profession for you. You have every right NOT to play this profession. But you're confusing your subjective experience with objective reality. Your experience is not everyone's experience. I enjoy the music. I enjoy the chat. I enjoy creating a show by putting together flourishes in creative patterns that sound good. You haven't even mentioned that part - you are completely ignorant of what makes musician so much fun.

good point. you are 100% correct on this. it never did ocour to, and next time i go to grind, i will start paying attention.

"...No way i can master this without going afk, at least most of the time."

You shouldn't be playing the game as a musician if you don't like it. It's your own private Idaho. No one is forcing you to grind musician. Just wait until publish 10 and do the Jedi trials like everyone else."

bah.

"...but to get rid of the recursive macros is NOT the way."

So you say, based on your prejudiced views on the musician profession. You haven't the first clue about what makes musician-players tick, yet you feel confident to post on our boards, insulting us,calling us 'nuts',and proclaiming what's best for us. Don't you see how arrogant you appear? Don't you see that every musician who reads your post is just going to say; "Jeez, anotherguy who doesn't care about the profession posting insults on our forums". How, then,does your post accomplish anything. Atits heart, your message is just a flame. All the verbiage and apparent argument is merely camouflage for a troll.

i am sorry, but the ent. community is devided on this issue. i have read quite a few posts on this issue, here. i was commenting on how i felt. i really did not understand how LEVELING the prof can be done ATK. and the recursive macro is fundamental to doing this.

i ment no offcene to the proff itself and nowhere did i say anything disparaging. i ask forgivness if you think i thouht you were nuts. it was said more in a playfull tone by someone empathising more than anythign else.

you have opened my eyes to certain aspects i admit i had not thgout of. I am not trying to win points here, its not a contest.

/peace

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Zaax wrote:

i am sorry, but the ent. community is devided on this issue. i have read quite a few posts on this issue, here. i was commenting on how i felt. i really did not understand how LEVELING the prof can be done ATK. and the recursive macro is fundamental to doing this.

i ment no offcene to the proff itself and nowhere did i say anything disparaging. i ask forgivness if you think i thouht you were nuts. it was said more in a playfull tone by someone empathising more than anythign else.

you have opened my eyes to certain aspects i admit i had not thgout of. I am not trying to win points here, its not a contest.

/peace

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That is one of the best things about the musician profession, there's nothing bad about being low level. Sure you don't have as much variety, but you're really not "gimped" in any way. Master really isn't any different than novice, other than you have a little more variety. So if someone doesn't want to be ATK to gain skills, they're not going to want to be there when they hit master either.

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Zaax wrote:
yellow is new

once you must write long macros and then keep punching the macro button when it stops, is akin to doing away with macros, imho. its like saying a combat spechil will only now work , if you jump in the air before each spechail. its a pain. why add more work? and i never lie.

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Huh?!?

*Wonders if he has any clue what a macro is*

Do you perchance mean like actually having to press a button to have a combat special work? Something just like what you would do if you had a macro on that button? I'm absoulutely in awe of how much mindless noise this one issue is generating. MACROS ARE NOT GOING AWAY!!! I can perform for hours on end right now without using any recursive macros, a little creativity and anyone can do everything they are doing right now without any recursive macros.

People, please get a clue before you open you mouth, (or start typing as the case may be).

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Beery wrote:

The developershave their reasons, and they have nothing to do with the wishes ofour small vocal minorities - neither yours or mine. If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say the decision was based on statistics of players leaving the game. I'd imagine a large percentage of players leaving the game have some sort of entertainment profession in their character histories. Couple that with the fact that the social aspect of the game isn't working, and you have a clear goal. You must attempt to stop the exodus of entertainers. Otherwise the game's imbalances continue to cause massiveproblems until the game can no longer be saved.

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SmedleyLlama wrote:

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Beery wrote:

The developershave their reasons, and they have nothing to do with the wishes ofour small vocal minorities - neither yours or mine. If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say the decision was based on statistics of players leaving the game. I'd imagine a large percentage of players leaving the game have some sort of entertainment profession in their character histories. Couple that with the fact that the social aspect of the game isn't working, and you have a clear goal. You must attempt to stop the exodus of entertainers. Otherwise the game's imbalances continue to cause massiveproblems until the game can no longer be saved.

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Not to get too mixed up in this argument, but I would have to disagree with you on that point. There are a lot of "Entertainers" out there. True, many are not ATK but there are a lot of them. And as the use of macros became more common place,I would think the numbers have increased more than decreased. It would be rather difficult for the Devs to determine who is the "real" entertainer that might be leaving, versus the buff bots which have multiplied.

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