Musician Archive
Thread: Update on New Song?
Warryyr
Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:47 am
#40
Warryyr wrote:
sweatyclimber wrote:
no offence but i find it very unlikely it is comming next week esspecially with what has transpired.
Personally, I wouldn't put anything beneath the Devs.
I'm fully expecting the Quest to go Live next Tuesday, broken dance and xp requirement existing just like on TC. Because it's something, and they want it out of the way. They've done nothing to insinuate I should expect anything less. The positive is the song seems like a bit hit. The negative is road they've led us down for this new content. Not a road I'd like to venture down again.
Well, next Tuesday we'll find out.
I'm wondering who the 1-starring bandits are. Disgruntled Devs? Or, maybe my recent posts were really that bad...
Ah well. Time for more coffee.
Sorry if I pissed anyone off...
Petronela
Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:56 am
#41
LyteFoot wrote:You folks are looking at this wrong. This is a bunch of programmers, many of those are lonely young men who don't know a lot about socialization. Now if you want them to focus on entertainment I strongly suggest that we get some exotic leotards made and send a sizeable contingent of attractive young ladies to dance for the devs. Remind them whatIS possible and what they are missing by ignoring this class.
/ROFL
my husband said almost the very same thing to me when I was telling him about our problems.
Deli'ah
Landlubber
Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:01 am
#42
OokoAjo wrote:
Not your imagination.
JustG's info from his PM was apparently "not for public consumption," and I was to magically know this - even though he didn't say so.
I was just slapped on the wrists later, when I asked if the base step for the dance would be fixed. I was then informed that PM meant private message and I wasn't supposed to post anything.
I find it all very upsetting. I thought I was helping, and instead I got yelled at by a Dev. Wonderful.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but am I not the public? Am I a Correspondent? Am I a Dev? How should I know what their mysterious rules are regarding communication? Basically, he set me up. And I can't say I appreciate that.
I find it appalling that this Quest is going Live next week, yet apparently none of us are supposed to know. The Dancer and Musician communities have taken enough collective **edit** that we could at least be treated with dignity in this, and have some prior knowledge regarding our content. It was too normal to have us know our stuff was coming in 10.2, instead they had to beat us down to the level we're supposed to exist in, in the dark and totally ignored.
I won't post anything more about this. I'm through. Probably for the forums all together. I find how I was treated to be totally unacceptable. Apparently I need to know everything about Correspondents and Devs before I receive a PM from a Dev. Otherwise I get my posts deleted and treated like I'm the stupidest thing to ever walk the Earth. That I don't need.
I really wish I knew everything about everything, but I don't. JustG seems to think I should. I'm flattered he doesn't consider me to be "the public," but I hardly deserve such treatment. I'm just another player looking for info that's LONG overdue. I got it, I posted it, and at least we all know something now.
Ya know, I do know something. I don't pay money per month to be ignoredor scolded for something I was never informed about. There was nothing in his first PM to insinuate I shouldn't release the info. So I did. End of story. Irregardless of how everything came about, the fact of the matter is that their communication with us is crap and nothing but crap. By PM'ing that to me, and not telling me to keep it quiet, he was releasing it the public. If he thinks releasing information to someone on the forums with 17 posts (and thus logically assumes I know all there is about "PM from a Dev" etiquette), then there are a lot more serious problems within the current management structure.
This game is a joke. And I'm no longer laughing. It's all fun and games until a Dev scolds you for doing what any of us, who are looking for info on our new content, would do. Any other profession would get treated with an ounce of respect and dignity, and not be forced to beg like starving mutts on a roadside for any scrap of information regarding their expected new content. We do not seem to deserve an ounce of dignity and respect.
Yesterday was very strangely the single best day, and the single worst day, I've ever had in SWG since starting to play this game.
How exciting to finally get info on our Quest froma Dev. How infuriating to then get reminded I'm a piece of crap who was apparently undeserving of the information I got, and I was too stupid to know what to do/what not do with the info i DID get.
Oh, and just to let you know, there STILL ISN'TA SINGLE WORD FROM A DEV IN THE FEEDBACK THREAD. Lovely.
I'm out.
P.S. if this thread gets deleted, sorry. But now I'm on the Dev **edit** list I bet, which I most assuredly appreciate as well. I just wish JustG would have left me alone. What a wonderful way to make a player feel after getting a PM from a Dev. Good job, SOE.
You know, you should reply to JustG with exactly those words. At the beginning and at the end of it, put "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT" 
Is his reply to you also not for public consumption, by the way?
Warryyr
Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:27 pm
#43
NewJedi wrote:
As I posted in another thread, many devs take the view that their Private Messages are just that -- private. Not for public consumption. That's how I always treat them. Now, maybe the devs haven't been clear or consistent about that with players.
I can't recall anyone ever saying that. Honestly.
If so, perhaps they should clarify their policy.
Personally, I was totally unaware there was any type of policy regarding this.
Me, I treat all PMs to me as confidential, and I hope and expect that people will treat my return PMs the same way. In my case, I say this not as a matter of TOS or NDA, but as a matter of courtesy. For example, when I solicited "sandbox" applications, I did so via PM, the way one might solicit resumes confidentially for a job.
Yep, but as I recall you also mentioned we could keep things confidential with a PM to you.
As for JTL, it is at least peripherally relevant to our quests now. See asommers recent post in the TC forum (sorry for cross-posting this):
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TestCenter is up for those with JTL access. You must use the JTL LaunchPad to play. Please be aware that if you do play on TestCenter, the Character Builder Terminals (blue frogs) will not be available.
If you do not have JTL access, we plan on having TestCenter opened to the non-JTL beta players later in the week. You will currently not be able to use the TestCenter LaunchPad to play on TestCenter.Your patience is appreciated.
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Umm, I find it kind of a poor choice on their part to loosely link our Quest into an NDA-bound Beta when we should be testing our Quest, giving feedback, and getting communication regarding our feedback. If the NDA is such a problem, they should make an Entertainer Quest thread in the JTL Beta forums, give all Entertainers JTL Beta forums access to only that thread,and allow us to have some sort of productive discussion about the quest, instead of 2 weeks of talking to no one (or so it would seem). If they can't communicate due to the NDA, get us in where we CAN converse over this as well. I've seen the wonderful level of communication the JTL forums are getting. If the wall between the Devs and us is the NDA, I feel the Devs should let us into their territory, not just shut us out and leave us hanging. We're running out of time. Ah well. *shrug*
I'm working as hard as I can to get you more information on these quests. I post about them, in one way or another, almost every day. I've had in-game conversations with QA personnel about them. I've had PMs about them, back and forth, with various devs. But I've not been authorized to say much. I'm open to suggestions on what more I can do to get the devs to open up more.
As always, thanks NewJedi
Good to know you've got our back.
Message Edited by Warryyr on 10-07-2004 02:30 PM
LyteFoot
Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:49 pm
#44
NewJedi wrote:As I posted in another thread, many devs take the view that their Private Messages are just that -- private. Not for public consumption. That's how I always treat them.
The mistake was TH's and TH's alone. He can't know or guarantee that a stranger will feel the same way. Even worse what could he have been thinking to respond to someone he didn't know with information he won't even let the cors release. The fault is 100% his. If he is going to respond with priviledge information to ANYONE through a PM that he doesn't recognize as a correspondent then he is plain careless and thats even more frightening.
NewJedi
Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:06 am
#45
As I posted in another thread, many devs take the view that their Private Messages are just that -- private. Not for public consumption. That's how I always treat them. Now, maybe the devs haven't been clear or consistent about that with players. If so, perhaps they should clarify their policy.
Me, I treat all PMs to me as confidential, and I hope and expect that people will treat my return PMs the same way. In my case, I say this not as a matter of TOS or NDA, but as a matter of courtesy. For example, when I solicited "sandbox" applications, I did so via PM, the way one might solicit resumes confidentially for a job.
As for JTL, it is at least peripherally relevant to our quests now. See asommers recent post in the TC forum (sorry for cross-posting this):
==============================================
TestCenter is up for those with JTL access. You must use the JTL LaunchPad to play. Please be aware that if you do play on TestCenter, the Character Builder Terminals (blue frogs) will not be available.
If you do not have JTL access, we plan on having TestCenter opened to the non-JTL beta players later in the week. You will currently not be able to use the TestCenter LaunchPad to play on TestCenter.Your patience is appreciated.
==============================================
I'm working as hard as I can to get you more information on these quests. I post about them, in one way or another, almost every day. I've had in-game conversations with QA personnel about them. I've had PMs about them, back and forth, with various devs. But I've not been authorized to say much. I'm open to suggestions on what more I can do to get the devs to open up more.
OokoAjo
Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:58 am
#47
LyteFoot wrote:
The mistake was TH's and TH's alone.
Actually, 'twas JustG, not TH. 
But the rest of what you say, yeah...I pretty much have to agree. I don't remember being told to keep Dev PM's confidential unless I'm instructed otherwise. /shrug
What the hell do I know, I just play this game...
NewJedi
Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:32 am
#48
Well, you guys may be right that the devs have been unclear or inconsistent about how their PMs should be treated. It's always been clear and obviousto me that "Private" messages from devs are "private," but then I'm governed by different rules than you are anyway.
<< I've seen the wonderful level of communication the JTL forums are getting. >>
Well, I think (NDA). Heh.
Cudayn
Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:31 am
#49
NewJedi wrote:
Well, you guys may be right that the devs have been unclear or inconsistent about how their PMs should be treated. It's always been clear and obviousto me that "Private" messages from devs are "private," but then I'm governed by different rules than you are anyway.
<< I've seen the wonderful level of communication the JTL forums are getting. >>
Well, I think (NDA). Heh.
If the regular forums got half as much attention, you would have some very, very happy people here.
Durney
OokoAjo
Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:33 am
#50
I think it's outright stupid that they put our stuff on TC, and then made TC accessible only by JTL Beta folks.
What kind of a sick joke is this?
"Oh, we can't say anything about your new content, we're bound by the NDA."
That's crap. I'm sorry, but it is.
Maybe they should have put all the new Jedi Quests on TC and TC2, then made THAT accessible only to JTL Beta people. OHH, but no......precious precious Jedi. Everyone must test the Jedi stuff. Eh, Entertainers - stuff their crap into JTL somehow so we can excuse ourselves from talking to them. They'll get what they get and like it.
The entire "testing" phase for our Quest was a joke. And screwing us by wrapping it into JTL somehow, and it's NDA, has made it into a farce.
OH - and NewJedi - could you PLEASE inform me as to why there are no Theater Managers on...that certain NDA-bound server? Because the Entertainer Quests are nowhere to be found. Go ahead and look. What a joke.
DarkY0da
Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:38 am
#51
I think that us ents that managed to get in will likely go test those out. I really can't see the NDA effecting it as those were there before the NDA and anyone that wanted had access to them. If nothing changes about it there is nothing about the NDA that should keep anyone from stating that nothing has changed about them.
Skuzz
Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:59 am
#52
Say it isnt so. If the theater managers are missing fro mthe test servers I fear for what that means for a release date for these quests. sobsobsob...
Can anyone else confirm this please? :/
Can anyone else confirm this please? :/