Musician Archive
Thread: Your top issues, August-thru-October: polling now closed
SinnAsyr
Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:43 pm
#28
Stupid double post! Read below VVVVVVVV
Message Edited by SinnAsyr on 08-21-2004 07:50 PM
Echinacea
Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:23 pm
#29
This is my list. I doubt anyone else has quite the interests I do in Music, so this is probably not much like anyone else's, but these are the things I consider to be the top problems with the elite Musician profession:
- Create a mind enhancement (buff) interface similar to the Image Designers' or requiring inputing a randomly-generated numeric sequence in a window (or at least typing 'yes' as when surrendering skills) like when destroying structures, such that it will require active participation from both the performer and the patron to get a buff. That would eliminate a great deal of the problem with buffbots. Yes, there would still be healbots, but far fewer people would AFK 23/7 just for that. Oh, and make 'buffing' actually work.
- Fix Registration (this also affects Doctors' Med Centers) such that server reset doesn't make all player theaters, cantinas and med centers default to 'staffed.' Fix it so that when the character goes linkdead, it cancels registration. Fix it so that registering is possible in NPC Taverns and Hotels (I happen to like playing in Hotels, but I can't /register there, even though it performs all the same functions as Guild Hall Theaters and Cantinas.) Please remove the requirement to be the same faction as the owner in player-owned Theaters and Cantinas (and I would assume Med Centers). I honestly think that if this were actually working, the difficulty patrons have in finding us would be greatly reduced, and would lead to the easing of many other issues.
- Player Theaters are the worst-designed building in the game from a mechanical standpoint (they look nice, but they're just horrible to actually work with). Please see about making it look more like a miniature Guild Hall Theater, or at the very least give us some way to put an Access Fee on where the audience goes, not the performers! Not to mention giving us the ability to heal from the stage area and play the on-the-floor instruments while on stage.
- Content: post-Mastery content, new songs (that's plural!) and instruments. Missions you can actually support a character on. (That means at least a small house's maintenance, food, clothing, travel...the things we typically have to take up Surveying or doing combat missions to afford.) A part in the GCW as Musicians. You know...something to actually do other than stand in one place in a Cantina all day.
- Skillmodifers-- adjust the weighting of Battle Fatigue Healing. Put 5 points of it in Novice Entertainer, and change one of the chef foods (either Corellian Ale or Carmelized P'kneb) so that it enhances both Battle Fatigue Healing (Dance) and (Music). And then switch the other so that it's Wound Healing (Music) and (Dance) both. Fix that drink that was supposed to reduce the time it takes to confer a performance mind enhancement so that it actually works. (I don't even remember the name of it, since it never worked.) And change the tissue Bio-Engineers make, Myoflex, to be for Battle Fatigue Healing (Music) and (Dance), leaving Enhanced Myoflex for the high Wound Healing (Dance) and (Music) modifiers. I also think the Force Sensitive healing tree that confers Wound Healing skills should be evenly divided between Wound Healing and Fatigue Healing. And give us a reason to actually have the skill Instrument Assembly -- make instrument quality matter in relation to how much Action it takes to play, or affect our mind enhancement skills, or give us the ability to make'power-up' type items to put on our instruments to do these things.
TrejianOjuda
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:53 pm
#30
1. BUFFBOTS - Make some new buffing interface that makes it so that afk buffers can not buff while afk now I understand that the recursive macro thing might fix a bit but I dont think it will be enough. Like others have said maybe have a confirmation window on buffs or better yet an image designer like interface.
2. BUFFING SYSTEM - Like many others have said before the current buffing system is very unimformative, you can't tell if you've successfully buffed someone many of the times and if you buff before before you recieve payment many customers simply dont pay. I like the idea of an Image Designer similar interface for buffing to stop buffbots and to insure payment to the Musicians buffing not to mention confirming to the Musician that they have infact buffed their customer. Another thing is the power of the current musician buffs and the length of them currently they dont last nearly as long as doctor buffs and are slightly weak in mind enhancement make them a bit stronger and a bit longer.
3. CONTENT - Content content content! We really do need new more insturments and songs.
Songs more than insturments really, maybe some sort of quests that you could do for differents songs maybe once every two months to keep us "entertained" another good thing would be rare insturments that are really realy rare and would make the music industry a bit more lucrative
4. ENTERTAINER MISSIONS - These really need improvements currently these missions, Im gonna say it they suck! The waypoints are confusing I know alot of people who go to the waypoints in buildings and have no clue what to do afterwards it says to preform but where and how long? And for those who figure out how to do it the payout vs time spents is terrible! Amp up the rewards for entertaining 1000 to 2000 credits would be good for novice entertainers and then higher up as they go.
5. NALARGON AND OMNI BOX - This is so very annoying. Musicians need to interact with the people they preform for besides talking to them another part is emotes, now with these two insturments you cant do that because the minute you untarget them you stop playing you cant target people cant emote them, its a big inconvienience and is really annoying!
I know its just top 5 ^^ but I just had one more thing to add.
6.MICROPHONES AND SPEAKERS - How about giving micro phones and speakers more useful since most cantinas get really crowded why not have cantinas have speakers around the various alcoves of the cantinas so that patrons could listen easily from anywhere in the cantina?
2. BUFFING SYSTEM - Like many others have said before the current buffing system is very unimformative, you can't tell if you've successfully buffed someone many of the times and if you buff before before you recieve payment many customers simply dont pay. I like the idea of an Image Designer similar interface for buffing to stop buffbots and to insure payment to the Musicians buffing not to mention confirming to the Musician that they have infact buffed their customer. Another thing is the power of the current musician buffs and the length of them currently they dont last nearly as long as doctor buffs and are slightly weak in mind enhancement make them a bit stronger and a bit longer.
3. CONTENT - Content content content! We really do need new more insturments and songs.
Songs more than insturments really, maybe some sort of quests that you could do for differents songs maybe once every two months to keep us "entertained" another good thing would be rare insturments that are really realy rare and would make the music industry a bit more lucrative
4. ENTERTAINER MISSIONS - These really need improvements currently these missions, Im gonna say it they suck! The waypoints are confusing I know alot of people who go to the waypoints in buildings and have no clue what to do afterwards it says to preform but where and how long? And for those who figure out how to do it the payout vs time spents is terrible! Amp up the rewards for entertaining 1000 to 2000 credits would be good for novice entertainers and then higher up as they go.
5. NALARGON AND OMNI BOX - This is so very annoying. Musicians need to interact with the people they preform for besides talking to them another part is emotes, now with these two insturments you cant do that because the minute you untarget them you stop playing you cant target people cant emote them, its a big inconvienience and is really annoying!
I know its just top 5 ^^ but I just had one more thing to add.
6.MICROPHONES AND SPEAKERS - How about giving micro phones and speakers more useful since most cantinas get really crowded why not have cantinas have speakers around the various alcoves of the cantinas so that patrons could listen easily from anywhere in the cantina?
wyx1
Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:00 am
#31
1) SELF BUFF PLEASE, im not letting this one slip (dont be lazy devs!)
2) FIX THEATRES, im not letting this one slip either, put in invisbile walls (dont be lazy devs!)
3) FIX BUGS FROM DAY 1!, omni/narlogon, %TT, REGISTER on advanced planets etc. (*sigh* laziness!)
4) Give us the ability to get to FS village without Corvette/Warren badges i.e combat orientated.
5) MORE CONTENT, speed up Hutt CASINO, make PC cantinas/theatres more rewarding i.e buff/heal bonuses, someone mentioned gambling machines etc, Let you make Posters/advertisments of yourself and sell them 'LET US BECOME SUPERSTARS'... maybe the pictures in npc theartres etc. could be replaced with pictures of woever gets the highest score on the new quests!!
Didnt add songs inturments becuse it seeems thats happening.
They obvoiulsy listened to our comments for a stringed instrument for musicans.(WELL DONE DEVS)
2) FIX THEATRES, im not letting this one slip either, put in invisbile walls (dont be lazy devs!)
3) FIX BUGS FROM DAY 1!, omni/narlogon, %TT, REGISTER on advanced planets etc. (*sigh* laziness!)
4) Give us the ability to get to FS village without Corvette/Warren badges i.e combat orientated.
5) MORE CONTENT, speed up Hutt CASINO, make PC cantinas/theatres more rewarding i.e buff/heal bonuses, someone mentioned gambling machines etc, Let you make Posters/advertisments of yourself and sell them 'LET US BECOME SUPERSTARS'... maybe the pictures in npc theartres etc. could be replaced with pictures of woever gets the highest score on the new quests!!
Didnt add songs inturments becuse it seeems thats happening.
They obvoiulsy listened to our comments for a stringed instrument for musicans.(WELL DONE DEVS)
E-Dog
Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:26 am
#32
1) AFK zapper gun certification - This weapon (of mass destruction) would let ATK performers zap people wearing the AFK tag (which should, of course, appear automatically after x minutes of inactivity) out of the cantina. Bye bye, AFKtainers and buff bots. (If needs be, make it a weapon requiring 5 performers to operate, to ensure consensus)
2) Some (ANY!) kind of buff interface showing that the buff is running, when it's done, and the result. Docs get to see the result, why can't we?
3) Make Performers searchable over the entire planet (or even server), be it through the fixing of /register or just simply under ctrl-p/search. Then people would see that there are actual Performers playing the game, and not have to cry about the IMPERATIVE removal of buff bots.
4) Give PC cantinas a purpose. Why not make them more efficient than NPC cantinas, in healing/buffing/etc?
5) Add performer content - I love the fact we're getting a new song and a new instrument, but how about FS/missions/GCW/etc?
Just my 5 cents...
Kherab
Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:14 pm
#33
1: fix nalar and omni box so I dont have to keep them selected.
2: see 1.
3: see 2.
4: some indication on when buffs are complete.
5: see 1 again.
2: see 1.
3: see 2.
4: some indication on when buffs are complete.
5: see 1 again.
trylle
Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:48 am
#34
I'm only going to drop two suggestions as I want to keep the emphasis on the first one.
1, lack of "flow" between flourishes.
I played a musician in beta for a little while, and I got back to it just a few days ago and I'm currently musician 0044 (with enough xp for probably 2244, but I need to decide what to drop first!).
The thing I noticed in beta that really turned me off is the same that's turning me off now - I find it even more annoying than AFK buffbots - is that tiny 5 millisecond delay between flourishes!
If I tap my finger to the beat, every 4th beat there is a slightly longer pause which drives me completely bonkers in the long run and I'm really surprised that they didnt get around to fixing it. This pause is also often noticable even visually as my character goes into the default "airplane man" pose for a brief moment; the pose of which he was modelled in before he was rigged and animated.
2, Xp and healing rewards for setperformance.
I think it could work well if /setperformance also gave a 25-50% healing increase, and if you fully heal your target you get a bonus xp reward on either healing or music (or both?), you wouldn't get the xp bonus if your target had no bf or mind wounds. This is something that only ATK entertainers could take advantage of (unless you make a VERY elaborate macro with the help of one or a few friends who are willing to hurt themselves in order for you to heal while AFK, not very likely)
I also wouldn't mind audiences being able to request my setperformance, and it would show up as a small popup on my screen. People obviously wouldnt be able to request it if I'm already using /setperform or have them on /denyservice.
1, lack of "flow" between flourishes.
I played a musician in beta for a little while, and I got back to it just a few days ago and I'm currently musician 0044 (with enough xp for probably 2244, but I need to decide what to drop first!).
The thing I noticed in beta that really turned me off is the same that's turning me off now - I find it even more annoying than AFK buffbots - is that tiny 5 millisecond delay between flourishes!
If I tap my finger to the beat, every 4th beat there is a slightly longer pause which drives me completely bonkers in the long run and I'm really surprised that they didnt get around to fixing it. This pause is also often noticable even visually as my character goes into the default "airplane man" pose for a brief moment; the pose of which he was modelled in before he was rigged and animated.
2, Xp and healing rewards for setperformance.
I think it could work well if /setperformance also gave a 25-50% healing increase, and if you fully heal your target you get a bonus xp reward on either healing or music (or both?), you wouldn't get the xp bonus if your target had no bf or mind wounds. This is something that only ATK entertainers could take advantage of (unless you make a VERY elaborate macro with the help of one or a few friends who are willing to hurt themselves in order for you to heal while AFK, not very likely)
I also wouldn't mind audiences being able to request my setperformance, and it would show up as a small popup on my screen. People obviously wouldnt be able to request it if I'm already using /setperform or have them on /denyservice.
JohnMarble
Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:41 am
#35
I know exactly what you're talking about, the way figures are modeled... but I've never seen my character do that in-game. Really weird.
trylle wrote:
...This pause is also often noticable even visually as my character goes into the default "airplane man" pose for a brief moment; the pose of which he was modelled in before he was rigged and animated.
AtheneNoctua
Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:54 am
#36
1.) Fix /register (detailed description in Echinacea's post above), and provide an /unregister command, so we can unregister before actually leaving the venue.
2.) Make extended unattended "play" against the TOS. Enforce the TOS!
A technical solution to get rid of AFKers would be nice as well, but as players find always a way around such guards, such behavior must be against the TOS or the whole point becomes moot.
3.) More songs (one every second publish?), we're paying customers and expect some post-master content as well.
4.) Short term fixes to the buff interface: fix "%TT", add a message to the performer when the customer /stoplistens ("Soandso's focus and willpower have been enhanced by 900 points for whatever minutes"), as well as a message when the buff reached its maximum duration and/or strength (similar to the you can't get more soandso exp message). Medium/long term: A new/improved buff process and interface (this means the whole interaction, not only the GUI part of it) to adapt to the new situation after combat revamp.
5.) Oh, and some information about the dev's plans for the near/medium future as well as their general vision of the role of entertainers in SWG wouldn't be that bad a thing either.
2.) Make extended unattended "play" against the TOS. Enforce the TOS!
A technical solution to get rid of AFKers would be nice as well, but as players find always a way around such guards, such behavior must be against the TOS or the whole point becomes moot.
3.) More songs (one every second publish?), we're paying customers and expect some post-master content as well.
4.) Short term fixes to the buff interface: fix "%TT", add a message to the performer when the customer /stoplistens ("Soandso's focus and willpower have been enhanced by 900 points for whatever minutes"), as well as a message when the buff reached its maximum duration and/or strength (similar to the you can't get more soandso exp message). Medium/long term: A new/improved buff process and interface (this means the whole interaction, not only the GUI part of it) to adapt to the new situation after combat revamp.
5.) Oh, and some information about the dev's plans for the near/medium future as well as their general vision of the role of entertainers in SWG wouldn't be that bad a thing either.
Red-Dwarf
Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:33 am
#37
Top issue: Complete issues currently being addressed - specifically Entertainer Quests (incl new song/instrument) and AFK playing. I would prefer these get done before any time spent considering an alternative issue.
Second: Buff interface - a simple doc style system message and the %TT setperform bug would satisfy me!
Third: Registration - probably most important to non-entertainers. They need a way to find us, for starters fix the registration of player cantinas / med centres / theatres. Also add a new extended search feature. A new tab in the character screens would allow to search the entire galaxy for registered buildings with Musicians/Dancers/Docs (and give name so you can /tell to confirm the person will still be there when you arrive), as an attempt to get merchants on board after their minor nerf you should also allow for Master Merchant vendors to have a galactic advertising registration and so they can also be searched from anywhere and a waypoint listed (possibly download like the e-mail system)
Fourth: Player Theatres - I was really excited when these came out and gave one (I was city architect) to my player city, but they are next to useless in practice. We need to get two things - first external furniture and second healing/buffing ability on the stage.
Fifth: Funding review - I think a proper analysis of funding across the professions to show the devs that the entertainers have no viable income source at present (to be done afterafk is removed and tipping 'may' return). It should consider what changes are possible (increase mission payouts, auto /denyservice, selling recordings for use in droids in camps, entry fees on cantinas to be distributed among enertainers as a selection of ideas to be discussed)
Sixth: Narg/Omni targetting. An annoyance rather than an issue- since you can "/setperform target" I don't have a major issue with this but if it can be fixed I would appreciate it.
Chalame
Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:50 am
#38
my top 5 for SEPTEMBER (it is september now). Maybe the reason for lackluster top 5 reporting is the title of the thread says "issues for August."
1) Get entertainers noticed for Force Village quest unlocking.
2) abolish recursive macros, or at least time them out to a few min cap to stop afk entertaining.
3) Allow entertainers to heal wounds and bf in the force village
4) Give musicians a new song/instrument and dancers a new dance
5) I would like to see some new things for image designers too, maybe they should be allowed to paint
If we don't start working on the top three problems on my list soon, alot of us entertainers are going to be medics, so please keep in mind that this should be handled in a timely manner.
-Cian Thurio
Master Musician (soon to be master medic if nothing is done)-Ahazi
"The Force finds you, you do not find the Force" - me
Shaizann
Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:11 pm
#39
1. Eliminate AFK play, to inculde thebuffing process and BF healing. Unattended play is not a playstyle and it should not be allowed.
2. Impliment a Musician (Entertainer) 'Buff Window', an interface that is similar to the ID window. This window would give us infomation such as who is being buffed, the time left, amount they will be buffed for, and how long the buff will be for.
3. Implment /wholisten so I can see who is currently being healed by me.
4. Complete the entertianer quests on TC2 so that we can get out new song/instument.
5. Impliment a command similar to /diagnose for Musicans(Entertainers) so we can see how much BF patrons have.