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Thread: Gimme back that Nalargon!

NeillM
Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:47 am
#14

*cheers* That will be a nice fix!



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Fragpuppie
Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:39 pm
#15



Pappi wrote:


Fragpuppie wrote:
I had my sig in my profile and it kept on getting messed up and only partially viewable....OK, OK that was over a year ago and I know these boards have had MANY updates since then. I also change my sig from time to time to reflect new professions or when I'm siging for an alt and want to include his info.

Oh and then there's when I'm on this computer and don't have it handy to paste in...


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I change my sig sometimes too, I just go and change it in my profile

I'm not sure why sigs get cut off sometimes, but I've had no problem with it and I only use simple html tags.




...and back when I gave up I wasn't even using those. I just had the same 5 line text sig I use here often. However I prefer that my sig at a given point stays that way and even if I change my sig for the future, all past ones do not change also.

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JFreeman
Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:50 am
#16


Petronela wrote:

Awesome!!! And about bloody time!!!

Btw,
will we still have to keep Nala targeted? Since they already tweaking
with it they may as well look in to that also. Yeah yeah I know, I’m
offered a helping hand and I want to snatch the whole arm But can’t
blame a girl for trying.


Yes, you still have to keep it targetted.
I'll take a look at that later today and see if I can change that
without eliminating your ability to share instruments.



I'm working under the assumption that it's important to be able to "share" these things. Is it really?



I mean, if you had to choose between keeping the instrument targeted OR not being able to share them, which would you choose?


Landlubber
Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:03 am
#17






JFreeman wrote:




Petronela wrote:



Awesome!!! And about bloody time!!!


Btw, will we still have to keep Nala targeted? Since they already tweaking with it they may as well look in to that also. Yeah yeah I know, I’m offered a helping hand and I want to snatch the whole arm But can’t blame a girl for trying.




Yes, you still have to keep it targetted. I'll take a look at that later today and see if I can change that without eliminating your ability to share instruments.

I'm working under the assumption that it's important to be able to "share" these things. Is it really?

I mean, if you had to choose between keeping the instrument targeted OR not being able to share them, which would you choose?








Thanks for the update - we appreciate it


The ability to share the Nalargon can make a for nice effect during performances, but as for me, I would still prefer to not have to target it. You having to keep it targeted really hinders you in interacting with your surroundings, and that's very important to a performer as well - personally Iwould put my priorityon that than on sharing the instrument.





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Esharra
Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:06 am
#18






JFreeman wrote:
I mean, if you had to choose between keeping the instrument targeted OR not being able to share them, which would you choose?




In my opinion only..I would choose being able to share it. Sure..it is rare that we share but it adds to the fun and the audiences love it. To me, having to keep my nal targetted would be a small price to pay as opposed to never being able to share it again. Of course, it would be *ideal* if we could both share & not have to worry about the targetting.



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Petronela
Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:35 am
#19



Wow not an easy toss, I love being able to share my Nala, but in all honesty the opportunity for it are so rare and similar effect could be accomplished by stacking several Nalas by several musicians.


So if I would have to choose, me personally, I would rather not have to keep it targeted. As mentioned by others, keeping Nala or Omni constantly targeted does hinder the interaction.

Would it not be possible to only have to target Nala when the musician does /startmusic and selects the song? And after that Nala could continue to “play” even if untargeted until the musician stops playing? Kind of like only needing to keep it targeted to hmmm "jumpstart" it . This way we could have best of both worlds, we could share and be free or be free to share.



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omadnay
Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:41 am
#20



JFreeman wrote:

Petronela wrote:

Awesome!!! And about bloody time!!!

Btw, will we still have to keep Nala targeted? Since they already tweaking with it they may as well look in to that also. Yeah yeah I know, I’m offered a helping hand and I want to snatch the whole arm But can’t blame a girl for trying.


Yes, you still have to keep it targetted. I'll take a look at that later today and see if I can change that without eliminating your ability to share instruments.

I'm working under the assumption that it's important to be able to "share" these things. Is it really?

I mean, if you had to choose between keeping the instrument targeted OR not being able to share them, which would you choose?






Not being the one who would have to develop this, here's MY answer...

How about if the nalargon could only be shared when dropped in a house, but when being "used" from your inventory, you do not have to keep it targeted...

So, not shared and not targeted when used from the Player's inventory
AND
shared and targeted when the nalargon is a piece of furniture in a public place.

Is that a possibility?

And it's really nice to be asked this question!!

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Warryyr
Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:54 am
#21






JFreeman wrote:

I mean, if you had to choose between keeping the instrument targeted OR not being able to share them, which would you choose?






I'd say both share it AND not have to target it, but if it's a choice between the two, I'd rather keep the ability to share it - rather than not having to target it.


The targetting thing is pretty annoying, but the sharing aspect is a lot of fun.


Fragpuppie
Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:42 am
#22

My thought is that sharing may be the one to keep. If they took away targeting and let it only be the person who "use"d it being able to play it, then permanant Nal's and Ommni's at starports, trainers and in houses would become unusable due to the lack of ownership.
If I have to keep it targeted, I will. If you make a dropped Nal in a house or cantina unuseable by anyone but the house owner or admin or worse if the Nals scattered through the game at trainers and such completely unuseable, then there will be real issues.

When looking at this, please keep in mind all permutations of location and ownership.

- A Nal (or Ommni) "used" in a public performance space (NPC cantina, hotel, NPC theatre).
- A Nal "used" in a public player structure (houses, PC cantinas, city halls etc).
- A Nal "used" in a private player locations (houses, etc not set to "public").
- A Nal "used" in a player Character spaceship.
- A Nal "used" in a camp.
- A Nal "used" outside any location structure or camp in NPC cities, player cities or the wild.
- A Nal Dropped in player Character public or private structures.
- A Nal Dropped in player Character spaceships.
- A Nal at a static point in game such as at trainers in NPC cities, in NPC cantinas, and other various NPC locations.


Lets not remove functionality even for a fix to an annoying by-product.


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Master Musician - Master Entertainer

Message Edited by Fragpuppie on 08-10-2005 01:46 PM

AhnalNathrak
Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:56 am
#23



Aleyo wrote:
Coming soon!

Only the owner of a musical instrument will be able to move it, others will still be able to play it.




C'mon... April 1st is MONTHS away...



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Aleyo
Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:31 pm
#24


JFreeman wrote:
Yes, you still have to keep it targetted. I'll take a look at that later today and see if I can change that without eliminating your ability to share instruments.

I'm working under the assumption that it's important to be able to "share" these things. Is it really?

I mean, if you had to choose between keeping the instrument targeted OR not being able to share them, which would you choose?




I'm personally a bit torn on which I would choose if I had to pick only one. I guess that I've gotten used to the targetting thing, and the only time it really bugs me is when I want to use /ventriloquism, which you can't target by just supplying a name (you actually have to have the target person targetted). And sharing nalargons is really cool, even if it doesn't happen all that often. I think I personally would choose being able to share.

Of course, it's WAY more preferable if both can happen .

And this all is just my opinion as a player, not a summary as a corr .




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Tiaga
Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:34 pm
#25

I agree with Frag. Getting rid of targetting and allowing only the owner to play only seems to address the issue of instruments from your inventory. That leaves out every instrument in the world, whether player placed items or world items. It also doesn't seem to address what happens if you have a nal AND an omni box out. Which do you play?

If possible I would like to see a compromise. If you have an instrument in your hand, or targetted, you play that, and have to keep it targetted or held. (As it is now.) But if you have no instrument targetted or held, and you have a nalargon or omni box out, you start playing it and don't have to keep it targetted.

Of course even better would be to remember what you had targetted when you started playing. Kind of like the combat target idea that went away with the CU.



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Echinacea
Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:10 pm
#26






Aleyo wrote:
I'm personally a bit torn on which I would choose if I had to pick only one. I guess that I've gotten used to the targetting thing, and the only time it really bugs me is when I want to use /ventriloquism, which you can't target by just supplying a name (you actually have to have the target person targetted). And sharing nalargons is really cool, even if it doesn't happen all that often. I think I personally would choose being able to share.

Of course, it's WAY more preferable if both can happen .

And this all is just my opinion as a player, not a summary as a corr .




You can do ventriloquism while playing the narlagon and not stop, but you have to time it right. I wish I could demo it for you, honey, but I toasted my mastery in music when the FU hit.


It'sa matter of angling camera view so that you have your cursor over the target person but can click back on the narlagon really fast, have /vent queued up in chat, wait for the end of a 10s tick, click hit Enter click back on the narlagon really fast!


So I guess that means sharing might have a leg up. Not from me, but I hate that stupid thing anyway, and don't miss being able to play it at all. I do miss the Ommni, though. But not enough to waste that many skill points on it.

Message Edited by Echinacea on 08-10-2005 06:15 PM



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