Musician Archive
Thread: Recursive macros are being removed!
Beery wrote:
"AFK'ing a buff bot in the cantina and making more credits than all the entertainers combined in a day while playing my alt = Priceless.
Macros are great. If you dont like them fine, but I love it. I get what I need out of myalt character and so do all the other PVP'ers on my server..."
So when you're playing your primary character, do you welcomekill-stealing?If you can outdamage me or the damage dealer in my group, feel free totry. It just shows me I might be doing something wrong, and need to do better.When you play other multiplayer games are you one of those people who enjoys beingteam-killed?Team killed- do you mean GANKED in PVP terms? Yes I have been ganked. Yesmy groupganks people all the time. Not in other games though, in this game. Are you an advocate forspawn-killers? I kill spawns every time I get a mission, as fast as possable.
Or are you just another hypocrite?
Not at all just stating facts. I like my AFK mind buff bot, and so do alot others.
Beery wrote:
I wrote:
"Or are you just another hypocrite?"
Akothas wrote:
"Not at all just stating facts. I like my AFK mind buff bot, and so do alot others."
Wellyou didn't really answer my question - spawn killing in other games usually means killing other players before they have a chance to defend themselves. But if indeedyou're not a hypocrite: i.e. if you engage in all kinds ofgriefing as well as thebuffbotting that you freely admit to, well then you're justa scumbag. I'm not sure which is worse. I guess at leastbeing a scumbagshows consistency.
Oh, and I'm not sure that thefolks thatyou cite as your friends and supportersdo you much credit either. If I had to cite a bunch of freeloaders and assortedantisocial types (who are actively working to undermine the game)as my supporters, well that would make me think about my choice of friends, but then again I'm not a griefer or a scumbag, so I find it hard to empathise with the thought processes that draw such folks together. As Patricia Highsmith writes in 'The Talented Mr. Ripley'"No one thinks they're a bad person". I'm sure even muggers can rationalize what they do. I'm sure you'd make a fine mugger.
I just posted my opinion on a topic, and you resort to personal attacks. You dont seem to remember this is just a game. This "Spawn Killing" or whatever the hell you are talking about ... from other games .... is nothing worse that "wrong place wrong time". I get killed when I am off-guard, and I kill people when they are off guard if that is what you are talking about.
If you think people that use buffbots are "freeloaders" or whatever else perhaps you should examine your attitude; Perhaps they dont want to talk to people like you. I get several emails from people I dont even know thanking me for providing the service, as well as a good amount of credits.
I could resort to personal attacks as you did, but I do have a little more class than that. I will say its funny because you are mad.
Kammots-Ahazi wrote:
I will just make a longer macro. And I will add a lot of spam. You whing fools have won nothing. The reason some of us have bots is because you cry babies are never online when we need a buff. Thanks for trying to ruin things for everyone. It is not like you are going to take over the cantinas and actually entertain anyone. Worthless people.
With a need for mind healing, battle fatigue healing and a desire to have mind buffs by a lot of people playing the game, coupled with the fact that when they remove the ability to let your character remain online indefinately AFK, it is going to create a need for entertainers. Its a nitch that will be filled. As it is with people who want to play Doctors, so it is with people who want to play entertainers. And since its is a group game, you do not have to be 100% self sufficent. A lot of people will add entertainer to their templates to help their friends, etc.
We have quite a few people in the entertainer forums that are Master TKs, Master Riflemen, etc. Just having one elite combat profession doesn't make someone a gimp. Actually they bring more to the table than the person who only has "weapons skills" as they are also useful after the battle. Besides all of that, this is a skills based RPG, and you can mix skills to suit your own personal playing style.
No one is taking your personal buff machine away from you. You pay your money just like us, to do with that character, what you will. Once the AFK "playing" ability is gone, you will just have to use it to buff yourself, friends, and just for fun.
Durney
Master Entertainer / Master Musician / Master Image Designer
Beery wrote:
"I just posted my opinion on a topic, and you resort to personal attacks."
Here's the difference between me and you. I resort to personal attacks when confronted with buffbots. Thats quite sad. I never resort to personal attacks in any way, especially in a game. Perhaps the only reason you do is because you think you can get away with it.In RL if you walked up and said something like that to someone you dont know they would crush your face in. Most of the people that use my buffbot every day just dont want to deal with people like you, thats why its so popular. Your whole playstyle is a personal attack on me and my fellow entertainers. No, it is not. We merely have a different playstyle. I happen to like my buffbot. Just because you dont like something dosent mean someone else shouldnt. We all pay out $15 a month for each account, and what character we want to make and how we want to use them is an individual choice. I would almost be willing to make a small bet that your guy didnt win the election last Tuesday as well.. eh?How dare you come in here andthrow in our faces your glee regardingyourbuffbot - acheat that clearlyflouts rule 7 of the game's terms of service and whichhurts every musician here? I didnt come here and say "all you guys suck blah blah" I came here and stated my opinion. You have every every right to disagree with me, and think my opinion sucks, but you do not have the right to make personal attacks. It weakens your case and makes yourself look bad.It is not aganist the terms of service to use in game macros whatsoever (I have asked CSR's about this issue) and the Devs have stated such as well. They would like to do away with them, but it is not breaking any rules. You have some nerve!
Problem is, so far you have not even made a case aganist my opinion. You seem towant to go the route of personal attacks and start some kind of flame war instead of actually talking about the subject at hand and coming to some kind of solution. I will say again its people like you that make AFK buffbot so damn great, we simply dont have to listen to people like you in game if we dont want too.
4 MORE YEARS!!
fett3041 wrote:
Beery, leave the troll alone. He's a member of the most infamous, childish, exploiting guild on Tempest. I'm sure you remember the rep that IOI used to have way back in the day. IOI cleaned its ranks, and the refuse formed HAKD and PWND. Every once in a while, they have to reform/rename the guilds as they get too many harrassment reports on them.
Granted, there are a FEW mature, responsible players in those guilds. It's just a shame that most of them aren't.
Just to make it clearyou may be trying to appear like you know me or something, I have never even heard of you before.Most of HAKD came from the rebellion. We defended IOI's bases and faction farm daily. We have never had to "rename" the guild for any reason. Most of the "new" HAKD members (Petro, Bowra, Kuu-Laid, Tierce) were leaders of other great guilds and are great people themselves. The reason our guild is named HAKD is because of peoplehad blamed us for exploiting (when in fact we do not) becausethey couldnt compete.
I am not trying to "troll" anything. I came here and stated my opinion. You all talk about "socializing and chatting" here in this board but if someone says something you dont like you guys resort to personal attacks and unfounded claims. I am positive not everyone is like this ... but if you guys are the best the entertainment industry has to offer in swg ....
PLEASE KEEP THE BUFF BOTS!!!!
fett3041 wrote:
You came here and stated your opinion. In a forum that has extremely little tolerance for the subject of your opinion. Knowing full well what you would stir up. That is known as trolling. Hence,my calling youatroll.
I respectfully request that you leave our Live Musician boards and go post your support for the buffbot on the buffbot boards.
What are you some kind of"dont state your opinion unless you agree with me" unelected official of themusician boards? I have notposted here alot inthe past, but it seems I am not the only person that likes the idea of macros. Stating an opinion and defending aganist personal attacks is not trolling. I simply and respectfully disagree with your opinion, thats all.
Perhaps ifsome peopledont like how the game is built, played, and supportedthey should justmove on, or at least arguewith valid points and not "name calling".I dont complain about stuff I dont like much, I just find something else to do that I do like.
So far every interaction I have hadwith others on this board has been, lets say, quite amusing. I am still a fairly new "buff bot" and so far I have absolutely no reason whatsoever to converse with a ATK entertainer ever again, and as a matter of fact I guess you could say the responses I have got are really making me love my buff bot more.
I will honor your request and leave now...