Musician Archive
Thread: Recursive macros are being removed!
Shoufi wrote:
Who in there right mionf would want to be a Dancer or a Musician or a Surveyor if they had to Stare at the screen for 15 hours of the same movement. The end result would mean people would give up Dancing as a profession and who would heal BF.
I must be messed up then. I mastered scout, creature handler, and rifleman. I hunted on all the normal and adventure planets both for fun and to harvest resources for credits. I still keep rifleman and novice scout for cash making purposes.
I not only mastered musician and entertainer at the keyboard but I find it far more fun than PvE. Thanks to buffs I just drive a swoop to a spot, agro everything, then sit while my toon kills everything. It is an extremely boring and repetitive task. PvP in this game is such a joke I don't even fool with it. No real tactics stack the right templates and go. Even JTL borked combat by tying so much to ship level, hence characterskill level. I came from a game where every ship was viable and knowing the abilities of my light fighter and training for hours on end made me good enough to stay away from the business end of the heavy fighter and slowlypeck it to death or evade it completely and run away. Here the low level ships are ALL slower than the high level ships, so right level and ship or you are dead, period. Again a senseless and frustrating waste of time because so much of how good you are is totally determined by the software not your personal skills.
All the hours I've spent leveling entertainer professions and all the hours I spend now in the cantina aren't boring. I'm constantly talking to people, interacting, doing something that requires me to think and act. Its much more fun than solo groups where the only things I see are NPC mobs and the most interaction I have is to guide my swoop to the next nest and click attack.
Shoufi wrote:
So to each his own. I was wrong about those of you who enjoy the cantina, My appologies. Do the recursive macroes that have been around since the begining of the game offend you? If not, the people like me would be offended that they are removed. I do beleive that the dyanmics of the game would change. So if they do not bother people such as yourselves I would appreciate it if they kept them. I don't have 5 hours a day 7 days a week to sit in front of the computer. I get to play twice a week and at some point in time I would like to be a jedi. Without some AFK macroing I would never be able to.
The Devs made the Jedi sytem the way they did for a reason.....to help keep the Jedi population in check. By the time someone like even I could achieve the rank of Padawan, there are those playing the game that will have lost interest in their Jedi or just moved along. This is not always the case though. But in any event, the game was not designed to let everyone have everything when they want it.
You spoke of economics earlier, how much sense would it make to a company like SOE and LucasArts to have a game that you can achieve every design goal within a month or two? Well unless you had some supreme end game that would keep people hooked, and were constantly slamming out new high end content at a blistering pace, that is not possible.
This game is supposed to be fun, but they also want to make it a timesink, but make the timesink as unobtrusive as possible to us.
I have a character that has been playing in the village here and there, butat the pace I am on, I will become a Padawan in about a year. I wish I could attain it a little sooner, because that would mark off another "goal" I wanted to achieve in the game, even though the first implimentation of the system really put a bad taste in my mouth at the mention of the word Jedi. But it has gotten better, but we still have rampant AFKers taking the easiest path by being entertainers and making xp while they sleep/work and then they go to the village, turn in the xp, then its just rinse and repeat.
To me the recursive macro system as implimented right now, is horribly bad for the game, and I, like my peers would rejoice if they could find a way to dissallow AFK play without removing the current recursive macro abilities.
Durney
Using a recursive macro to run my CoB (Center of Being)is extremely useful for me. Would this be considered cheating by you? Am I exploiting? I think not.
What if I'm in the cantina getting my BF healing and my CoB macro us still running and I stepaway from my computer for some food or a bio break long enough for me to be AFK. Am I now a cheater?! An exploiter?! I think not.
My point is, macroing is part of the game. Just like having to grind 300 hours to get a Jedi. I accept that. If I find a better way of grinding my weapon XP while using all the tools available to me in the game, don’t you think I would jump on it! Don't think you wouldn't too.
Macroing is part of the game. AFK macroers are using tools in the game. They are not exploiting or cheating or duping or.... They are making the game what they want it to be. Make the game what you want it to be.
Differentiate yourselves form the AFK macroers. Make me (as a player) want to get healed/buffed by you instead of a AFK macroer.
Make it fun or even entertaining... now that is a novel concept! Entertainers that entertain.
My 2 cents.. hope I didnt piss anyone off.
Doobi 'ill be grinding' Banubi
Doobi wrote:
Grinding 900k weapon & 90k combat xp IS work. And I realize that if I want to become a Jedi I will have to do LOTs of grinding.
Using a recursive macro to run my CoB (Center of Being)is extremely useful for me. Would this be considered cheating by you? Am I exploiting? I think not.
What if I'm in the cantina getting my BF healing and my CoB macro us still running and I stepaway from my computer for some food or a bio break long enough for me to be AFK. Am I now a cheater?! An exploiter?! I think not.
My point is, macroing is part of the game. Just like having to grind 300 hours to get a Jedi. I accept that. If I find a better way of grinding my weapon XP while using all the tools available to me in the game, don’t you think I would jump on it! Don't think you wouldn't too.
Macroing is part of the game. AFK macroers are using tools in the game. They are not exploiting or cheating or duping or.... They are making the game what they want it to be. Make the game what you want it to be.
Differentiate yourselves form the AFK macroers. Make me (as a player) want to get healed/buffed by you instead of a AFK macroer.
Make it fun or even entertaining... now that is a novel concept! Entertainers that entertain.
My 2 cents.. hope I didnt piss anyone off.
Doobi 'ill be grinding' Banubi
Just a quick reply Doobi,
You can, even without a recursive macro, make a fairly long CoB macro that you only have to hit every so often. Center of Being was not put into place to be of an endless duration, thats why there is a duration for it.
Yes AFK macroers are using in game tools to do what they want and like to do, but its at the expense of the gameplay that was meant by the Developers. They have stated time and again that AFK macroing was not an intended part of gameplay, and we had an even better description of why they have not changed it yet in a post from the Dancer forum.
While there are many benefits to the recursive macro, the abuses far outweigh them. If you have read most of this thread then I think I can safely say that its all been said, so I will not try and repeat what has already been said. But then what I just said has been repeated about a gajillion times 
And no, you didn't make anyone upset. At least I am not upset 
Durney
Master Entertainer /Master Musician / Master Image Designer