Merchant Archive
Thread: This nerf is NEEDED!!
Message Edited by Gotti_Is_Back on 08-10-2004 07:39 PM
Gotti_Is_Back wrote:
Ok I will reply one post at a time.
1. So the poor folks who can't afford 100k stacks are screwed. No, sorry I dont agree. I do janta missions for 26k each and make almost 600k per hour. I am nothing special, master rifleman or TKA can do it quite fast. Any fighting profession can do it if they have a level 9 non-ch pet with high kenetic resistance. AND THERE IS STILL A BAZZAR FOR LOW AMMT STUFF. My original message said 20k, 50k, 100k. Almost anyone can scrape together 20k worth of any item...unless it's some super rare material that sells for 50cpu...then that item should be auctioned on the forums anyway. THERE are OTHER options.
I do agree not all people can afford to pay 100k per stack of resources. I disagree why should i take merchant and have to put items on the bazaar. on top of that the cap on items you can sell to the baz is 150 if Im correct. And max amount is 6k. I should not be restricted like that. Another thing not all crafters have any combat skils. So you solo grouped to MTK and MR to make money. Gee doesnt sound like your business is doing to well if you have to do that to make money(proof you have no business skills and dont ahve a clue of what your talking about).
2. But we can't look in backpacks to verify what we are buying. The chance for scamming and problems are huge. If they update the ability to look into containers before buying this isn't an issue. I wouldnt know anything about this...because I make sure that everyone trusts me from the very begining. I dont have one ounce of negative feedback, because I name my bags as to the exact contents (ie 30 Melee Powerups crates MIND/MAX/MIN). In some peoples case yes, you are right, but maybe we shouldnt trust these people till they earn it. AND yes I too want to be able to view the contents of bags.
They dont trust you they just make sure that what ever they give you is something is worth loosing before handing it to you. I for one will not walk up to a random vendor and buy a back pack and buy it. This will limit your buyers. Unless they let you view wahts in it. But i know guildies that have been riped off a few times.
3. How exactly are you going to keep track of these fees? Are the people going to trust you with their goods? Are you going to pre-pay for everything. If we get a consignment feature this would work. Again, I might be the most honest person you will find. People can trust me. I once got ripped off of 25 million credits worth of buffs because I too trust people...in the end I know what it's like to be ripped off and therefore I WONT do it to others. If you cant trust the people around you...i really feel sorry for you. It's part of the interaction for the game. No prepay. I simply look through all of my confirmation emails and add up all the money that that vendor brings in. Give them their cut, then let it go.AND yes I too want a consignment feature. I will post on the forums to add this feature. I hope that you too will offer this as a possible solution to make things easier.
Even if you where in my guild i would not trust you. Nor should i have to. And I highly doubt your the most honest person. Evertime i have heard someone say there are trust worth turn out to be the biggest liars you could find. And no not a chance in heck will trust anyone with any amount of money unless i feel its an amount or item i can be comfortable with losing. If they want to sell for me prepay or have a nice walk. At this point anything you post that will help to push this nerf will not be supported by me.
4. More crowds and more lag. Imagine if everyone puts barking on all their vendors. Our mall has 32 vendors in it now, and with just 3 barking it is a nightmare. I dont let people bark in my malls anyway. Unless you are barking the last time your vendor was stocked. But with the new system that wont be a problem, cause we all know they will always be stocked to some extent. Barking was a great idea for cute little blurbs. But if you name your vendor appropriately, there is no reason you should need it. It's one of the extra little things that makes the game nice, but it is not needed. Any serious merchant who names their vendors right (as specific as possible) knows that this doesnt increase sales, simply because they have to be in your house for them to even see the barking, and by that time they are probably there to buy something anyway.
nothing to add here.
Finally:
I agree to a certain extent this nerf is needed. Getting rid of poaced vendors is important. But the item cap doesn't necessarilly really solve a problem. People can still put up 660 bags with 49 items each for over 30,000 storage. The devs should be making the cap on value of goods sold, not items. One bag at 999,999,999 would cap a vendor. But a tailor could have hundreds of low cost clothes on a vendor, an architect could have lots of cheap furnitutre. For the more popular/expensive armor and weapons, it would help to spread the market.
I agree with some of the critisms of this patch, but I take a hard stand against people who only whine (not necessarily you), but 90% of these people who are whining to hear their own voice. It has convinced me that SWG players are professional whiners and simply thrive for new things to whine about.
I dont have a clue what class you play but the only profession that is not in need of a fix right now is Jedi..So all of these "people" that are whining have every right to be upset and say something.
As far as tailors, most of their items dont sell for more than 6000. They already do and should more, use the bazzar. They have that advantage that some of us dont, simply because our items are too expensive. Architects are the ones who are truely hurt, cause they sell tons of furniture that no one wants to buy in crates. Other than houses, crates of deeds are a great idea. I never need just one harvester...Always need 10. Noit doesnt help noobs, but they can contact the architect, Options are available. It doesnt make the game bad, it simply changes it.
They should not have to use the bazaar plus with there items many are worth more the the 6k amount and limiting being 150 items still doesnt over a tailor armorsmith architect or weaponsmith. But its ok to hurt just teh "architects huh..you obviously see that is will hurt them but there just one profession so its ok.
Btw, any of you whiners who are going to quit, please tell me, im looking to pick up some accts for free. Since you cant buy or sell accts and since you dont want your acct anymore then you wont object to me simply taking it over.
bite me. Its obvious you like this cause you know many will quit and you can pick up some accoutns for cheap.
ANYONE who is going to quit, must value their accts at $0, so if you dont value your acct at $0, then dont say you are going to quit.
again you ahve proven your not very bright on business matters. Nor familar with the EULA..
sorry was busy writing the post above...*rude*
Gotti_Is_Back wrote:
Then SAY IT!!! I mean you dont have anything intellegent to say do you? The reason it is beyond you, is because you cant think past the bong at your feet. You might simply be the biggest waste of time I've ever responded to.
Gotti_Is_Back wrote:
Gotti_Is_Back wrote:
Breatai wrote
Gotti_Is_Back wrote:
Thank for listening to me Im an ido1t...
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have a nice day..
This is uncalled for. If you have anything intellegent to add, please do.
Gotti_is_Back
yes you dont have a clue..why you would as for this nerf is beyond me.
Then SAY IT!!! I mean you dont have anything intellegent to say do you? The reason it is beyond you, is because you cant think past the bong at your feet. You might simply be the biggest waste of time I've ever responded to.
Gotti do me a favor and explain to me a few things since most people who dont agree with you seem to be morons in your opinion... Lets just say for Instance I am a Tailor and anChef Artisan all master.. And for the sake of Argument lets say that i also have a second acount which is my master merchant. Lets imagine for just a moment that i acctually have a real life job and have time to play only 15 hours a week on average. 3 hours a day. Roughly because i have a family as well i dont play on weekends i am the casual gamer that SOE says has the same opportunity as everyone else.
Now I create a bunch of items all diffrent colors and sizes and foods of the same variety not to mention all my artisan parts. Now i understand that at some point i could choose to stock 660 items acording to the new patch as is. I also understand that as an crafter i have to keep my supply well stocked. For things such as chef foods i break up my crates into bunches of 25 10 5 and singles to serve my customers. I make and keep on hand about 15 diffrent types of food. About 300 articles of clothing due to the nature of colors and what not and then there is all the stuff my artisan sells?
So under the current guidline and being unable to stock 800 crates of food at a time i run the risk of being under stocked and loosing buisness to those that are able to play more than me. God forbid that i actually have to work late one night and am not able to get on. There is the possobility i will run out of food or artisan supplys and possibly clothing.
In RL buisness since that seems to be the analogy running around.. If i am not as well stocked as my competitor or if i am unable to meet the demand a competitor can i eventually go out of buisiness... Hmmm So having less space seems to actually hurt the small guy who has less time more???
Im assuming that sony has taken this into account and diligantly done research to discover that most cassual players do not craft. But lets say for a moment they didnt. I can no longer keep up with the supply that a person with more time can do so now instead of being three masters i choose one just to focus and be succesfull...
But wait doesnt that mean now that SOE is now telling me how to play the game i pay to play? Isnt it simply them saying play our way or go because we have more than enough customers? But that cant be right im sure in there manual they said it was a game that could be played the way i wanted to my story was the story left to be told.. I guess my story pails in comparison to the thought of loosing money to upgrade equipment or actually servicing a customer...
Im sure the argument is the db has grown to large to sustain and thats great but then please explain how google can return a search result accuratly in .9 seconds in a database with billions of entries.... hmm
Well i guess im not informed enough to know what i want hmmm...
I do agree not all people can afford to pay 100k per stack of resources. I disagree why should i take merchant and have to put items on the bazaar. on top of that the cap on items you can sell to the baz is 150 if Im correct. And max amount is 6k. I should not be restricted like that. Another thing not all crafters have any combat skils. So you solo grouped to MTK and MR to make money. Gee doesnt sound like your business is doing to well if you have to do that to make money(proof you have no business skills and dont ahve a clue of what your talking about).
They dont trust you they just make sure that what ever they give you is something is worth loosing before handing it to you. I for one will not walk up to a random vendor and buy a back pack and buy it. This will limit your buyers. Unless they let you view wahts in it. But i know guildies that have been riped off a few times.
I name all my bags as to what the contents is. I dont have mistrust issues cause I have a clean slate as far as trust is concerned. Maybe your insecurities about trust will come to an end eventually.
Even if you where in my guild i would not trust you. Nor should i have to. And I highly doubt your the most honest person. Evertime i have heard someone say there are trust worth turn out to be the biggest liars you could find. And no not a chance in heck will trust anyone with any amount of money unless i feel its an amount or item i can be comfortable with losing. If they want to sell for me prepay or have a nice walk. At this point anything you post that will help to push this nerf will not be supported by me.
Again this seems to be your own insecurities with trust. And psycologically it is because you wouldnt trust yourself in the same position. I cant blame you for not trusting people, it has to be earned. Again if you knew me, like my clients do, you would in fact trust me. Time and time again I have proven that NOTHING in this game is worth stealing.
Gotti_Is_Back wrote:
I do agree not all people can afford to pay 100k per stack of resources. I disagree why should i take merchant and have to put items on the bazaar. on top of that the cap on items you can sell to the baz is 150 if Im correct. And max amount is 6k. I should not be restricted like that. Another thing not all crafters have any combat skils. So you solo grouped to MTK and MR to make money. Gee doesnt sound like your business is doing to well if you have to do that to make money(proof you have no business skills and dont ahve a clue of what your talking about).
Hmm, who gave you your unlimited vendor spacein the first place. The people who give you power have every right to take it away.
I never said it need to be unlimited. but 110 tiems at master is beyond insane..Yea me and every other play give them power we can take it away....
Then they will need to get some, wont they. Last time I checked their is plenty of skill pts for someone to be a crafter and a merchant and a fighter. But who says the crafter also has to be a merchant, this is taken for granted and maybe it should stop.
merchant 0434 architect-Master artisan-master weaponsmith-master and that leaves 1 point left. Why cant I be a merchant and a crafter how is the taking something for granted I worked hard for waht i got..why should i be equal to some guy who started 2 weeks ago?? Ive been playing since beta i have payed my dues.. I deserve to have a big shop with WHAT EVER I WANT..
Again, you dont know me. I do not make assumptions about your businesses, dont make assumptions about mine.
exactly so why would i walk in to your shop and buy a backpack with items you said was in it..Had a guildie buy some thing from another merchant who named the back with what was in it..but what he failed to tell him it was teh crappiest version of the item and had told it was higher end items..there are way to many untrustworthy people out there to be worry about them. IF they cant make it safe for everyone or step in to help then they need to fix it not NERF it..
They dont trust you they just make sure that what ever they give you is something is worth loosing before handing it to you. I for one will not walk up to a random vendor and buy a back pack and buy it. This will limit your buyers. Unless they let you view wahts in it. But i know guildies that have been riped off a few times.
I name all my bags as to what the contents is. I dont have mistrust issues cause I have a clean slate as far as trust is concerned. Maybe your insecurities about trust will come to an end eventually.
I highly doubt you get walk in customers who dont know you buying bags of items..or your price is low enough they can take the risk. and hope its the right item. 30 power pups crates is what 90k for some that is nothing. around 30k is pocket change for me..so any item below that im willing to take risk on.
Even if you where in my guild i would not trust you. Nor should i have to. And I highly doubt your the most honest person. Evertime i have heard someone say there are trust worth turn out to be the biggest liars you could find. And no not a chance in heck will trust anyone with any amount of money unless i feel its an amount or item i can be comfortable with losing. If they want to sell for me prepay or have a nice walk. At this point anything you post that will help to push this nerf will not be supported by me.
Again this seems to be your own insecurities with trust. And psycologically it is because you wouldnt trust yourself in the same position. I cant blame you for not trusting people, it has to be earned. Again if you knew me, like my clients do, you would in fact trust me. Time and time again I have proven that NOTHING in this game is worth stealing.
Now your assuming..and yea what ever I have seen plenty of theift in this game and in every game i have played so far..Ive played quit a few..
Look at all the pretty colors!!
Your wrong...You are answer are uneducated responces, not saying your stupid but you dont know what your talking about on how this well effect the game. this is not a fix its a nerf..
Nerfs are not what this games needs it needs fixs..if they dont want the vendors to be exploited buy excess storage then find a way to fix it. if they dont want merchants who ahve droped there merchant skills but still have all there merchants up then fix it..dont punish the existing players who are not cheating.
This will cause more problems then it will fix..I for one will not let this slide. This is a major nerf and they should be worrying aobut JTL or combat revamp over worrying aobut people who are exploiting the merchant nerf..this is a low priority in teh schem of things..
So under the current guidline and being unable to stock 800 crates of food at a time i run the risk of being under stocked and loosing buisness to those that are able to play more than me. God forbid that i actually have to work late one night and am not able to get on. There is the possobility i will run out of food or artisan supplys and possibly clothing.
Yes this is a possibility, as above, please understand that the casual gamer will PROBABLY suffer (sorry). It will in the end cause the casual gamer to quit or play more. SOE is obviously betting that they will play more.
In RL buisness since that seems to be the analogy running around.. If i am not as well stocked as my competitor or if i am unable to meet the demand a competitor can i eventually go out of buisiness... Hmmm So having less space seems to actually hurt the small guy who has less time more???
People should not make this analogy. Although people want it to work as RL, it's not. The readily available funds make it impossible to justify value. And although it follows a somewhat capitalistic model one or two people can do things that would NEVER happen in RL that effect business on the server forever. So when trying to compare SWG to RL the ultimate falacy is caused "false analogy" or "myth of the mean", they are not comparable.
But wait doesnt that mean now that SOE is now telling me how to play the game i pay to play? Isnt it simply them saying play our way or go because we have more than enough customers? But that cant be right im sure in there manual they said it was a game that could be played the way i wanted to my story was the story left to be told.. I guess my story pails in comparison to the thought of loosing money to upgrade equipment or actually servicing a customer...
The only thing I can tell you is that maybe SOE needs to be hit with a class action law suit. I agree with you. This game doesnt seem to be even run on "the greatest good for the greatest number" But they make the universe. We have to abide by the limitations of the game. I dont buy this crap about database storage and access time. Your analogy of google is a fair one. I program databases for a living, I know the limitations of databases. There are no problems storing data.
Well i guess im not informed enough to know what i want hmmm...
In the end dude, SOE has never made any of my dreams come true. I play this game cause it's better than watching MOST television....the simpsons are like fine wine, they only get better with time. The search for the perfect game will never end. There is always something to make better, that makes things worse for other people. I wrote this post because of how SWG players have become whiners. They think $15 a month entitles them to rewrite the game. I personally sign a check for over $105 per month to SOE and I in no way think I am entitled to tell them what to do. I'll find a way to make it work. And if SWG players would do the same then this game wouldnt seem so broken.
sorry was busy writing the post above...*rude*
Gotti_Is_Back wrote:
Then SAY IT!!! I mean you dont have anything intellegent to say do you? The reason it is beyond you, is because you cant think past the bong at your feet. You might simply be the biggest waste of time I've ever responded to.
