Merchant Archive

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RagemanStoo77 wrote:

Think of it this way, I want to sell of some of my games do I go down to the shop and drop them through the letter box saying I want £20 pound for em heres where you can pay me and then expect the money to appear? no I got to the shop and negotiate a price they hand over money I hand over goods, everyones happy.

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No, because they have hours of business that are available to me. However; I do get a newspaper delivered everymonrning, Bottled water delivered twice a month, Cable/Phone/Gas/Electric service all provided at my home. At the end of the month they send me a bill, and I send them some money. People do get services/products prior to paying for them. In the SWG world, Face to Fact is not always possible. That is one of the great things about SWG is the Vendors ability to take offers from individuals. Unless SWG creates a non-Face to Face way of transfering items, then they need to fixthis Grief.

The person that deleted your Item should still pay you for it. It was their (Boyfriends) mistake and they should own up to it. If not, what is this persons name? If she is not in control of her account, do not want to do business with her.

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NikkiDial wrote:

You should never stand up for a person right to grief. I dont care what the problem is, when its this easy to fix. I dont care if there is a safe way to do things, because SOE doesnt point that out to anyone till its too late. Rarely do people use the face-to-face method. With the vendors being by far the most common way of selling items to others, I would say it should be a priority to make it as safe as face-to-face. There is no excuse for SOEs CSRs stating that people can grief with their vendors if they want. There is just NO excuse for this. Its as simple as this.

You can continue to blame me blah blah blah blah. It doesnt change the fact SOE is still condoning griefing. If you arent outraged by this then you are an idiot, a CSR, or a griefer yourself. This can effect people so greatly that it would cause many losing their life savings in this game. There just isnt an excuse to let something like that to take place when not only can they already track this stuff, but they can FIX it so it doesnt happen at all.

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Im sorry but if your stupid enough to give away your life savings in an unsecure transaction then you get what you deserve. There are implemented methods of secure transactions, sure you may need to do some arranging and juggling of your time online to pass it on. But as i've already stated SWG is supposed to be about taking part. In fact someones already stated an easy fix, put it on your own vendor as close to the time of the transaction as possible. Hell if you cant even get any of that to work, get someone you know very well to pass it on if they can.

To the guy quoting the delivery of bottled water and utilitied usage etc... etc... you can do this as there is an element of "trust". In SWG you can build up a base of Merchants you can trust, but idly popping some items on an unknown vendor is like dealing with a shady back street dealer in knock off goods. Maybe all the "malls" in SWG has diluted your mistrust in the Merchantry of this game, me I approach each new encounter with an element of caution.

Btw the reason im so damn rabid about this is because there are a lot better things the devs and CSR's can be doing with thier time than trying to make a patch for "lack of common sense". Engage your brains, think AROUND the problem. Its nothing personal Nikki and I really do think its a shame you lost such a high value item to a silly set of circumstances.

You put a 25M item on a vendor belonging to someone outside your guild?

You put a 25M item on anyone's vendor but your own?

No sympathy here nor do I beleive SOE needs to make ANYMORE changes to the vendor system. You took a risky action and paid a very, very high price. SOE is here to fix the game not make it foolproof. If I make a sale for mulit-millions I do it in person, that way I have a complete record.

This is not vendor greifing by the way - a scam YES - but not griefing.


Oh yeah. Just for persective. You paid that price in PLAY MONEY!

The number of things that need to be fixed before that one is huge.

Like gigantic.

There is not even a problem to fix here.

The comment about life savings was in fact a quote from you regarding how someone could loose thier lifes savings due to this "griefing" problem. You obviously know nothing about programming as this would certainly not take an hour to fix. It would in fact take several days, it needs to be discussed first of all as to how they sort it best, then they have to discuss and plan the implementation, then they have to task someone to do it, then that person has to go into the source code and alter whatever is needed, then it needs to be tested, and considering something like this would noodle with database transactions, client interface etc... I dread to think what could be broken on the way. So overall it would take a couple of days to even get written in. It's not like a dev reads the forums and goes "hey theres a neat idea" and then goes off to write some code, it has to be done through tightly controlled process, one where there are several developers working on different parts of the codebase. The SMART thing to do is to use common sense and use the more secure methods already exhisting in a game if the transaction means that much. The potential for exploitation of vendors as a method of griefin is so slim and so pointless that I would be suprised if we see it at all. And if you want to perform a transaction, then the most common method is not the best method, the tools to get it done are all there, you just need to use em.

and on a final note

"I want to use my spork to kill kimogolas"
"but you have access to missile launchers and lightning cannon etc.. etc.."
"yeah but I wanna use my spork"
prod prod prod
RAAAAAAH chomp
*one visit to the clone vat later
"waaaaaaah my spork didnt work, I want the devs to fix my spork"
"*sigh"

CSR are right.

Offer on vendor aren't supposed to be mailbox to put BO items.

Secure trade is secure for a reason.

The only way to safely keep and sell very expensive items it to have your own personal vendors. This means you have to spend some skill pts to have some merchant skill to place at least one vendor. You can only accept responsiblity for yourself in this game. I would never risk personal items worth so much on someone else's vendor. You set yourself up and you really can't blame anybody but your self....................

Get over it and move on! Hopefully, you learned a good lesson here and won't let this happen to you gain. I have been seriously griefed by players in game and CSR tickets are just a waste or your time and result in an excersize in futility. Be smart and don't allow yourself to be put in a position where you have any chance at all to be griefed.......................

Believe me, you will run into many scammers and griefers in SWG land! The sooner you learn to see the signs and recognize these types of players for who and what they are the better off you will be and the happier you toon will be.

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NikkiDial wrote:

Who said this was my lifesavings????? Obviously you have never played Eclipse. Like I said this has NOTHING to do with me or the person who deleted the vendor. It is SOEs policy and their unwillingness to fix a simple problem. To fix a potential problem that 90% of the people use is the only smart thing to do. If they would take an hour of programming time they could insure this never takes up anymore of their time. If they leave it as is then they are sure to keep getting their time wasted.

It doesnt matter if their is a million safe ways to do it! If the most commonly used form of trading has a huge flaw in it, then it needs to be fixed. There is NO excuse for allowing something like this to happen. Once again it has nothing to do with me or my item and who is at fault. This problem has to be fixed before it upturns the way many do business!

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First of all, how many people have had this happen in comparison to how many people have not? You will find that you are probably in a very very small minority, which makes your problem one of least priorities around. Many people do "business" this way, and they have no issues. But I'm sure that the majority of people are aware there are always risks.

Second, it was your choice to offer an item to the vendor. It is often the "norm" but as we ALL know, anything can happen in this game. You keep saying it has nothing to do with you, or your item or who is at fault, but it's all about that. You lost your item, before you lost your item you'd probably not even think this could happen.. am I right? You are putting SoE at fault, becauseyou lostyour item and they refused to compensate you. You also claim that it's not "the boyfriends" fault. Iagree somewhat, it was after all an accident, but he is still at fault. Do I think you should be compensated? If it were me that "accidentally" deleted your item, then yes I would think you need to be compensated. I would pay for my mistake, albiet regrettably as I'm losing 25million on an item you claim you put there that I have noproof of, but I would pay you regardless.

You say it's a way of griefing players, but I don't see how. I mean really now, is offering to buy something and then having it offered to a vendor and then deleting said vendor and item really worth the hassle? If that happened it would not be long before the "griefers" repuation would be smeared all over the place and I don't see a griefer finding it worth the trouble. Tho admittedly some don't give a rats patootie about their reputation to begin with but most griefers are more into the "quick sastifaction" not the well thought out delayed type such as this. If anything, the way I see this being a "griefing" problem would be someone who "claimed" to offer an item to a vendor and it disappeared, yet they demand their money even to the point of harassing CSR's who you already know can not do anything. But in this case, you at least got them to admit they knew you placed the item on the vendor.

Am I sorry you lost your item? You bet, I offer my condolences to you.But my sympathy runsshort when you claim repeatedly it's not aboutyour item, oryour money, or who is at fault. You areconstantly talking about your item,your money and placing theblame on the CSR'swho refuse to compensate you(again your money) or the dev's who designed such a "faulty system"(again your item/money). Plain and simple, if this had not happened to you, you would not be complaining about it. It was your item, itwas your money and the fault is yours, and the person who deleted the vendor. You can either take your gripe to them (the boyfriend)or just get over it and go about your business. You can't expect the game to change because of arare incident that could of been prevented by a simple meeting oftwopeoplein game. Do I think the system could be more secure? Yeppers, but if you are willing to use the "system" of offering high ticket items to strangers vendors, then youshould bewilling to accept the risk. 99% of the time you are safe, but that 1% will rear it's ugly head now and again.