Merchant Archive
Thread: Beware Possible Vendor Griefing.
paramedicchick
Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:57 am
#14
And as far as I am concerned, the person who started this post should be commended on being an adult.. I am not gonna lie, had this happened to me i would have stood the starport all day spamming how irresponcible that chick was. All day. Its not that guys fault this girl's boyfriend lost half his brain in a horrble smelting accident. Give him his money SOE or replace his item, or perpare to die MUAHAHAHAHA
RagemanStoo77
Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:36 am
#16
Im not a CSR but im a great fan of accountability, you made a mistake therefore you should learn from your mistake, not expect others to break rules just so you can cover it up.
Moepple
Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:40 am
#17
Hi,
well, if that "boyfriend" is placing the vendor again, or has other vendors close by, that item should still be there. He might be able to buy and retrieve it.
Had this before, I deleted a vendor and the stuff which was in the stockroom of that vendor was still displayed in the other vendors. give it a try, and you will see if they griefed you or not.
Read ya.
NikkiDial
Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:04 am
#19
We arent born with the knowledge that we are responsible for this, and SOE sure doesnt go out of their way to tell us. It just seems to me your reasoning is flawed because you assume griefers wont go through 1 hours work to place a vendor and make some bids. There is an easy fix here and your reasoning doesnt help the matter any.
RagemanStoo77
Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:24 am
#20
yes there is an easy fix, if you want to perform a large transaction you go to the person who want to buy yer item and do a secure trade. Simple as for using the vendor as a point of griefing? yes it can be used to grief, but there are easier ways. And if a vendor you placed an item on is removed so be it. There is no "easy fix" to make sure all items are off a vendor before it can be removed opens up an even easier and far more insidious method of griefing, and what happens if you reject the item and the other person who put the item on the vendor has no room in his/her inventory left to take it? well they loose the item, the result being a guy in a very similar circumstance making a very similar post to yours. If its anyones fault its the person who deleted a vendor without checking the offers. He made a mistake, they happen. Hell I made the mistake of forgetting to clearing the store room before removing a vendor once, and I lost a good bit of stuff. Did I go cry to the CSR's? no I just got on with it and now remember to check my storeroom before removing a vendor. Its like if I accidently deleted a file that I really really needed, would I phone microsoft and get them to foot the bill of a data recovery service? no I would learn not to be so hasty in my decisions.
At the end of the day, you gotta trust the merchant you deal with, otherwise you deal using the secure methods. Its simple no trust, dont use untrusted methods. Its in a Merchants best interests to be trustworthy or word WILL get around that buisness cant be done with them safetly.
At the end of the day, you gotta trust the merchant you deal with, otherwise you deal using the secure methods. Its simple no trust, dont use untrusted methods. Its in a Merchants best interests to be trustworthy or word WILL get around that buisness cant be done with them safetly.
NikkiDial
Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:48 am
#21
Your easy fix leaves a HUGE hole for griefers to grief! Because there is a safe way doesnt excuse the fact that the alternate way shouldnt be easily fixed to not only save CSR times but also players times from this mess of a policy!
Not only that there IS NOT a better way to grief. I cant think of any other form of griefing where a bidder can go bid and buyout ten auctions for 40m credits then delete their vendor the next day after everything is dropped off. It just doesnt make logical sense to allow something so devestating to remain ingame, and ALLOW it to happen!
LadyGrey
Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:58 am
#22
Moepple wrote:
Hi,
well, if that "boyfriend" is placing the vendor again, or has other vendors close by, that item should still be there. He might be able to buy and retrieve it.
Had this before, I deleted a vendor and the stuff which was in the stockroom of that vendor was still displayed in the other vendors. give it a try, and you will see if they griefed you or not.
Read ya.
I had a vendor simply disappear. All of the items from that vendor could be seen from the other vendors I had in the area, but I couldn't retrieve the items. As a matter of fact, the items still exist, because I relist them every month when they fall out of their auction (I have a perverse sense of humor). Even had a dev come in to look at the situation, and they couldn't figure out how to retrieve the items from my "stealth" vendor. However, not sure that would work with an item that had been offered for sale. It's not really in the stockroom, but in some sort of "offer" room.
Moepple
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:06 am
#23
NikkiDial wrote:
I already checked every vendor in that mall
Read what i said. THEY must do this, not YOU. Because the Merchant can see ALL the vendors in the area. You can only see the on you are accessing.
joined42904
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:07 am
#24
This is unfortunate.
I think a good solution for all concerned would be a one week notice to remove a vendor with items on it. And everyone who has offerred an item would get an email stating you were deleting that vendor in a week...(and it couldn't take more items in the meantime).
This offers some security for sellers which they desparately need and also provides merchants with the ability to move their vendors but at the cost of not being able to relocate instantly.
I agree that merchants also need some functionality to tell certain vendors not to accept items.
RagemanStoo77
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:20 am
#25
How does my easy fix create a huge hole? I auctioned something at high value, I meet the person and do a secure transaction, the player sees the item, I see my money and kaching transaction complete. Common sense tells you that if you dont trust the person to perform the transaction properly or even to compensate you after a screw up, then you simply dont go through with putting an item on thier vendor. Meet up and performe a secure transaction. The only reason yer beating this dead horse is because you werent compensated for a big money loss. Code should not be used to replace common sense.
Think of it this way, I want to sell of some of my games do I go down to the shop and drop them through the letter box saying I want £20 pound for em heres where you can pay me and then expect the money to appear? no I got to the shop and negotiate a price they hand over money I hand over goods, everyones happy.
Think of it this way, I want to sell of some of my games do I go down to the shop and drop them through the letter box saying I want £20 pound for em heres where you can pay me and then expect the money to appear? no I got to the shop and negotiate a price they hand over money I hand over goods, everyones happy.
ResourceMonkey
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:36 am
#26
Well the one way around this would be to sell the item on your own vendor. Tell your contact that it is up on your vendor for X amount and that they can come by and buy it. If they miss it, sorry, but you can't take the chance of having it deleted.