Merchant Archive
Thread: mercahnt banned -- why me ? no email from soe
Brilyn wrote:
What, you mean something like:
We are suspending the accounts of these players and banning anyone who has participated in this "money dupe", which includes transferring or receiving of funds/credits.
Which has been on the login for the last couple days?
Or maybe you're talking about this announcement that was posted at about 1am (GMT) on the 17th? Which would place it ingame 48 hours prior to the start of this thread?
Maybe people need to get off their butts *before* getting angry and frustrated. We were informed. If people wander into the game with their eyes closed, when SOE have clearly stated things, whose fault is that?
Hint: Not SOE's......
I think you missed the point ofthe comment:
Anyone who simply received credits will be banned temporarly and will be reinstated as soon as this matter is cleared up. We apologize for the inconvenience." posted 24 hrs ago would have saved a lot of anger and frustration by a lot of people." (my emphasis)
I agree that this credit dupe is a huge blow to the game economy and that the people who were responsible for it are ultimately at fault not SOE. However, what is being discussed here is the banning of innocent accounts (accounts that have protested their innocence at least, since I can't verify either way) and the subsequent lack of communication in direct relation to those bannings.
Being the children of a democratic society, we are accustomed to being able to appeal unfair decisions and so when we are hit with afailure to communicate when we feel we are being unjustly treated it makes us upset and angry. Understandably so.
I also deal in large credit transactions and high-end items and will be incredibly upset if my account is banned, even more so if it was done without explanation. I am entirely sure that the people I contract through directly(and give large tips to for purchasing stock) are clean and would not participate in duping. However, I can't know the same thing about allmy customers. Unless it was well beyond the pattern of normal sales, after reading some of the posts in regard to the bannings I don't even want to report high end sales in case it ends up in both my and their accounts being banned unfairly.
I am concerned that operating a vendor at all seems to be taking a risk with your account and with the stock that is sitting on your vendors. At least on my server the dupe does not seem to be as prolific as on others, we just have to cross our fingers and hope that no duped credits pass through it. The other option is closing the vendors for now, and that goes against my right to play this game.
Valuthorax wrote:
Wait so this is my fault for being a succesful merchant???
you are wrong -- It is not my fault for haveing system supported vendors.
If you are a merchant that deals in large amounts of credits then it would be wise to suspend your operations for awhile. You make yourself a very convienent target for any credit duper that wishes to "launder" his money.
While it is an unfortunate consequence that innocent people get caught up in the scam, it is in your best interest in the long run that the credit exploiters be caught. The enormous amount of duped credits in the game hurts the economy and ultimately your business interests.
If you are truely innocent, then a little patience on your part will prove to clear your name in the end. Continuing to rant and rave about it may actually hurt your efforts for reinstatement in the end. After all, prisons are full of "innocent" people.
Message Edited by kaspars_tenowog on 08-19-200411:09 AM
Message Edited by kaspars_tenowog on 08-19-200411:10 AM
Message Edited by kaspars_tenowog on 08-19-2004 11:10 AM
joined42904 wrote:
Valuthorax,
It's very easy for someone to claim to run the a sort of business that involves large tips with money paid to the folks who find specified items in the game. It might be true. It night not be. But let's not pre-judge against the decision of SOE just yet. We folks reading this post don't truly *know* enough facts yet.
Val is the largest re-seller of rare and legendary loot on Wanderhome. He sells everything from Themepark loot to crystals to legendary weapons and krayt tissues and legendary looted weapons and armor. I dunno about the economy on other servers, but Wanderhome seems very rich. When people buy things from Val, they don't pay in the hundred thousands, they pay millions.
+10 clothing attachments can go for upwards of 5-10 millions credits or more. Krayt tissues can go for huge amounts in large stacks. Legendary stuff is ridiculously priced.
So, I know that Val deals in sales in the millions. He would never notice someone coming to his vendors and buying 10 million of stuff because that is normal for his operation. He is a true merchant, millions out to buy stuff, mark up and sell for millions. Money in, money out. When I came on the forums this morning, I was not surprised in the least to see Val had been banned for receiving duped credits. Hell, if I was a duper his shop is the first place I'd visit.
There are also many weaponsmiths on Wanderhome who deal in the millions of credits in business weekly if not daily. I'm cheap and I pay 300k+ for each of my pistols. I could pay upwards of 2-3 million for rare tissue krayt pistols.
Anyway, this has all been a very suyrprising day. I'm sure it will sort out in the end if Val manages to get a hold of customer support. A little birdy who works for SOE told me that a script was used to find all of the people who had come in contact with the duped money and they were banned. It was very automatic. I was also told that if anyone was wrongly accused that they were to contact customer support. Funny, how people are guilty first and they used a program to find the dupers and ban them. I hope it's not the same code that causes me to warp 150m when I get off my swoop.
I believe the bannings were justified, just handled badly. The notice given was not adequate in that is basically says everyone will be suspended/banned. It says nothing about innocently people being temporarly banned. So what are people to think? Hence today on the forums. Welcome to SOE's customer support.
Oh and Brilyn, I'm over 6 thank you.
Now anyone the bought credit properly wend out and spend them, that is why people credit after all. And that means that the toughs credit ended up in the hands of merchants...
The best was to launder credit would be to tip someone who would tip someone who then bought something from you main... SoE needs time to sort that out, and they need to freeze the accounts that currently hold duped credit, before the spread even further. Bear with them, and if it is not resolved by Monday THEN start calling for lynching. (snail mail properly work better then email, but the phone is the bet way)