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Ackew
Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:06 am
#105
CarpetGunk wrote:
Ackew... Do not speak of things which you do not know...
I've been playing since LAUNCH. Been harvesting since APRIL 2003. I will CONTINUE to harvest high-quality resources.
Go away. I am not driven by greed. I am driven by fun and helping others have fun.
Edit: /salute... I am done with this thread.
Message Edited by CarpetGunk on 10-23-2004 11:39 PM
LOL as you say you NOT in the resource business . I AM and have been for all most a year. So your the one speaking about things DO NOT know. Btw I'm still waiting for an answer to my question of what are you going to do once you HAVE to start BUYING resources. Cause I KNOW you will NOT be able to harvest enough with your lots to keep upwith the HUGE demand that your prices will attract. Just about every other shipbuilder on your serverwill be buying from you and then reselling at 10 times the price if not more. You WILL NOT be able to make any money will in fact LOSE HUGE sums of money if you BUY 4 and 5 star resources and then sell the finished chassi at 1 cpu. Unless you plan to run missions 24/7 to pay for this huge loss. Which you can't since you will have to be crafting all the time and still have a massive order list. YOU WILL RUN OUT OF MONEY or HAVE to start chageing more than 1 cpu. Another thing I'm NOT in ship building for the money. I all ready have 15 million and have spent at least as much if not more in the past month on resoures and harvesters. I'm doing ship building FOR FUN. But what is the FUN in LOSEING all my money. Which is what will happen to you. If you BUY great resources and then sell then on in ships at 1cpu.
Obemi
Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:18 am
#106
Has it occured to anyone here that Jergo might just be a genuinly nicechap who is quite happy to put in the work so that others can enjoy themselves?
He's taken his time to get were he is so he can afford to sell good ships at rock bottom prices. Maybe he loves the /tells he gets from people saying how great his pricing is, or how they're gonna tell all their friends to buy from him. Maybe he's ridiculously rich from some other enterprise or even just running missions with an alt. toon and wants to give something back to the community. Who cares why he's doing it?
Can't you guys just realise that you're different people, Jergo likes being a nice guy and selling his hard earned resources dirt cheap so others can enjoy themselves and Dungboi doesn't. Simple.
Skiiwa
Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:52 am
#108
AMen CarpetGunk! Im On Kettamoor. I WILL be lookingYou up..BTW, I was in the beta and the funnest thing I found was outfitting my sub with Stuff and cruising around checking out the Scenery. I wish they would allow us to mine them good looking astroids. Fighting is ok but for some reason I like Mining. I just got off the Beta to check the boards and there are still a few problems, But Overall Im very happy with this. The 6month perk is worth the 40$ Im paying. Wish I could upgrade engines and suchbecause its gonna be a VERY VERY long time before I can afford a YT-1300 so My sub will have to do.
Skiiwa
Bagsik
Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:00 am
#109
From a resource seller point of view, I totally don't agree with CarpetGunk prices. There is no way that it is reasonable for me to price it that way. Others may agree with it but I am not one of those.
Resource is resource and a rare resource has value. Right now on my server Corbantis there are 4-5 new resources spawning that will be use for spacecrafting. This resources spawns for the first time and even though grinding quality I will never price it at 1cpu. Grinding quality on our server is already at 3cpu and I cannot stock enough of it.
I consider this new resources that just spawned as rare resources and would price it at least 10cpu. Even though they are grinding quality they are still rare since they are the best available there is on the server. It might not spawn again for weeks or months. If you are pricing your resources at 1cpu I will gladly buy it all if you play Corbantis 
or maybe I can acquire credits into your server and buy it and start my business there.
or maybe I can acquire credits into your server and buy it and start my business there.Not all shipwrights have the luxury to sell at 1-2cpu tag on the spacecraft they make. If you can sell 1-2cpu then there is something wrong with your lots. You are not operating like normal players do that has 1-2 accounts whic equates to 10-20 lots. With the current spawn of new resources a normal person will have a hard time already acquiring the needed amount with his 10 lots if he wants to compete as a shipwright.
From personal point of view, I think ship cost will be at least 5-10cpu times number of resources used. People might think its high but armors, weapons and buffs are more expensive. Many successful craftsman in our server don't harvest their resources full time. They usually buy from resource sellers specially the rare good ones or from guildmatess. I think same way would happen to shipwright since not all shipwright can harvest their resources and not all shipwrights can acquire 1-2cpu resources.
Good luck to you if you can mass produce good quality ships and sell them at base rate of 1-2cpu.
DingoBoi
Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:02 am
#110
So he's running a charity and not a business? Better change the name to Jergo's Section-8 & Welfare Ships.
Obemi wrote:
Has it occured to anyone here that Jergo might just be a genuinly nicechap who is quite happy to put in the work so that others can enjoy themselves?
He's taken his time to get were he is so he can afford to sell good ships at rock bottom prices. Maybe he loves the /tells he gets from people saying how great his pricing is, or how they're gonna tell all their friends to buy from him. Maybe he's ridiculously rich from some other enterprise or even just running missions with an alt. toon and wants to give something back to the community. Who cares why he's doing it?
Can't you guys just realise that you're different people, Jergo likes being a nice guy and selling his hard earned resources dirt cheap so others can enjoy themselves and Dungboi doesn't. Simple.
Marsirion
Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:24 am
#113
DingoBoi wrote:
actually this is called unreasonable pricing. You can sell the resources for more than that with your time cost thrown in easily.
Selling product for less than the resources are worth is stupid
Selling product for less than your time worth is stupid.
Obviously you neither value your product nor your time, hence, you are.....
You are merely trying to crash the market and make shipwright as bad as architect is.
But, stupid is as stupid does. Hope other shipwrights buy out your stock, because you are selling far to low and you damn well know it.
Did you ever think that implying that someone is stupid or even using that word in these forums would be offensive to so many that you have now completely hijacked the discussion? Well thats what a troll does- inflame the passions of readers such that they reply to the way you said things and not to what you said.
I agree with what you said unfortunately, but there was no call to insult the original poster so your style of "discussion" leaves much to be desired.
The original poster gave some solid values and presented his reasoning for it. Now everyone can just multiply his prices times the number of cpu that one wants to sell for plus or minus the labor cost.
ex. I want to sell the z-95@ 3 cpu so 25k x 3=75.
However, I recognize that these 1st tier ships will initially flood the market due to the thousands we have to make to grind to master hence I would probably not even sell it for more than half that price @ 1cpu. After all, majority of these 1st tier ships would be practice loss and might even end up in the bazaar for 6k.
In the end, its the market that will decide and thats how the law of supply and demand runs in this game. Do you want to be the richest crafter or do you just want the fame that goes with it? Your playstyle determines how you sell these things and to many crafters at this point in the game,they are not worried too much by how much timethey put in crafting in order to make a profit. Some would rather be known as the best crafter in the game regardless of how much they profit from crafting.
In the end, who would last longer?
I think someone owe's someone an apology but far be it for me to impose that on anyone.
Now lets play the game.
Diorchas
Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:40 am
#114
I'd love to see a response to my question posted above to the original poster:
Seeing as how you're not in it for the money, surely you'd sell me some of those amazing resources for 1.5cpu, right?
Seeing as how you're not in it for the money, surely you'd sell me some of those amazing resources for 1.5cpu, right?
DingoBoi
Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:50 am
#115
Marsirion wrote:
In the end, its the market that will decide and thats how the law of supply and demand runs in this game. Do you want to be the richest crafter or do you just want the fame that goes with it? Your playstyle determines how you sell these things and to many crafters at this point in the game,they are not worried too much by how much timethey put in crafting in order to make a profit. Some would rather be known as the best crafter in the game regardless of how much they profit from crafting.
In the end, who would last longer? the crafter who sells at a reasonable resource value based price. This is not a profession on can really support on their own, and yes, he has been harvesting since april, but those resources will be depleted in short order. He will not be able to purchase the additional materials of quality that he would need to support and continue the business.. unless he is producing maybe 2 ships a week and a smattering of components after his initial supply is exhausted.
I think someone owe's someone an apology but far be it for me to impose that on anyone.... if you had only seen his childish rantings right before and after he was banned under the Jergo account for NDA violations, you wouldn't question my posting style.. it's what jergo understands so I'm bringing it down to his level.
Now lets play the game.
Takiwa
Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:31 am
#116
DingoBoi wrote:
Marsirion wrote:
In the end, its the market that will decide and thats how the law of supply and demand runs in this game. Do you want to be the richest crafter or do you just want the fame that goes with it? Your playstyle determines how you sell these things and to many crafters at this point in the game,they are not worried too much by how much timethey put in crafting in order to make a profit. Some would rather be known as the best crafter in the game regardless of how much they profit from crafting.
In the end, who would last longer? the crafter who sells at a reasonable resource value based price. This is not a profession on can really support on their own, and yes, he has been harvesting since april, but those resources will be depleted in short order. He will not be able to purchase the additional materials of quality that he would need to support and continue the business.. unless he is producing maybe 2 ships a week and a smattering of components after his initial supply is exhausted.
I think someone owe's someone an apology but far be it for me to impose that on anyone.... if you had only seen his childish rantings right before and after he was banned under the Jergo account for NDA violations, you wouldn't question my posting style.. it's what jergo understands so I'm bringing it down to his level.
Now lets play the game.
I have myself done quite a few crafting professions and did them quite well made a fair living.
1. you can get the highest quality resources for ~0.25 cred/unit. Go to SWG craft and do your homework It will tell you right there what all of your harvies cost/maint/power/etc.
Now putting a price on your time thats subjective, but total cost to me for many of the best resources is .25-.75 CPU.
Yes selling resources for 1 CPU is thought of as low that's because people gouge on there resource prices and the hyper inflation of the entire economy gets worse from there.
Charging millions of credits for a ship is rediculous I will grind SW before paying someone that kind of loot for a skeleton thats no good anyway without other parts and more money spent on things like reactors etc.
The price gouging happens early in this game by greedy people.Gougers cannot just agree to markup a certain percentage (%50 is extreme by the way.)
Thats fine by me I will sell all of my resources to you for 10-15 CPU and laugh when you chargedouble that for people to buy ships meanwhile I will sell at 1-2 CPU ships similar to the author of this post while you make me rich buying overpriced resources.
That way I can sell 2x lower than you and you pay my cost in many different ways.
The bottom line is everyone is going to want a ship, and the early prices will be extreme. That is why I HATE the player driven economy.
After a few months the prices will go down because no one else will buy ships at such over-exorbitant prices and all will equalize.
Let the guys with loads of cash spend it all to be the first one with an overpriced ship. While my friends and I master the profession ourselves and sell you all resources that you think are bargain prices making me %500 profit.
And yes this post started out great and has since turned into a flame fest. Great Job arguing about what he will charge without telling anyone what you will charge.
It means he is a good businessman and you are a Gouger. Sorry but he said all the right things and you have just been name calling. Reguardless of what he did in the past this is this thread and I am not reading him getting angry about anything else.
He said.
I mine my own materials.
I am charging fair market price.
I am including money for my time.
you said... well a lot of name calling and not much else.
Go Burn Flamer, and let the professionals build the spaceships, I will sell you one for a good price, but I can raise the price if you insist on paying too much.
P.S. I also have started harvesting all the right materials and guess what I know what its costing me for each one of them, and it isn't 5-10 CPU. And as a matter of fact I can craft a set ammount of lower level ships each day and still pull in the resources I need to not deplete my stockpiles. AM Ismarter than the agerage crafter? No I am just not bent on Monitary domination.
thanks for the time.
Takiwa
BrotherDavius
Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:44 am
#117
DingoBoi wrote:
Marsirion wrote:
In the end, its the market that will decide and thats how the law of supply and demand runs in this game. Do you want to be the richest crafter or do you just want the fame that goes with it? Your playstyle determines how you sell these things and to many crafters at this point in the game,they are not worried too much by how much timethey put in crafting in order to make a profit. Some would rather be known as the best crafter in the game regardless of how much they profit from crafting.
In the end, who would last longer? the crafter who sells at a reasonable resource value based price. This is not a profession on can really support on their own, and yes, he has been harvesting since april, but those resources will be depleted in short order. He will not be able to purchase the additional materials of quality that he would need to support and continue the business.. unless he is producing maybe 2 ships a week and a smattering of components after his initial supply is exhausted.
I think someone owe's someone an apology but far be it for me to impose that on anyone.... if you had only seen his childish rantings right before and after he was banned under the Jergo account for NDA violations, you wouldn't question my posting style.. it's what jergo understands so I'm bringing it down to his level.
Now lets play the game.
Are you going shipwright if so could you list what you think is a fair price for ships?