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master_finesse
Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:19 pm
#92
I'm a relatively new jedi. I was killed while AFK yesterday by a BH causing me to loose 162000 point of XP. It takes a long time to to get 162000 point at 700 - 900 per kill. I wasn't upset. I let the bounty hunter know how I felt about the AFK kill but its part of the game and we have enough advantages as it is. Most of the way through jedi I have been a real easy kill. You get the advantage of sneeking up. You can get us in a grind group with low force and health.
You don't have someone hunting you so stop complaining. If you don't like hunting us then hunt the NPC marks. They give better loot anyways.
You have no risk but great reward. Thats what isn't fair. If you force me into PVP you need risk.
The cloak skill isn't used by many jedi. The Jedi with master powers are rare. The points used here are useless for everyday combat unless you are a powers template. Force run is exatly the same but easier to use. A jedi with it will get away everytime. So why don't we nerf jedi so you can shoot us like ducks at an arcade. What fun would that be. If the jedi didn't have cloak but put the points into LS he would kill you outright. At least this way you didn't have to die.
master_finesse
Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:22 pm
#93
Eskie wrote:
-Torque- wrote:
This has been quite a problem lately for me, I get to my mark, they see me run and cloakthen they just follow me around for hrs. invisible. Heres my problem with it all, I'm Master Rifleman and I can cover, but when someone walks by me they uncover me, It's obvious that the jedi is right next to me and I want to shoot him. I can't target him, /tar doesen't work, you can't auto click him. this move is being exploited and it just is getting to rediculous, it needs to either break when someone gets nearby like cover or we should be able to target them. this ruins so many of my bountys. They can place houses while cloaked, drop them and walk inside.
Can this issue please be addressed Tanks?
Your template is not suited to fight a cloaker. To be able to kill a cloaker you need serious crowd control to keep him within 20m of you and the ability to survive toe to toe with a cloaker - which isnt that hard because a cloaker is seriously lacking in either offense, defense or healing.
On another note, if he is following you around, breaking your cover over and over again you should first ask him to stop via tells and if he doesnt file a harassment report. Following around other players for extented periods of time is harassment, only exception is a BH stalking a Jedi.
Again part of the game. Follow him and give him visibilty. These types of games people play don't last long but I enjoy the variation from the same old grind.
Eskie
Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:09 am
#94
master_finesse wrote:
Eskie wrote:
-Torque- wrote:
This has been quite a problem lately for me, I get to my mark, they see me run and cloakthen they just follow me around for hrs. invisible. Heres my problem with it all, I'm Master Rifleman and I can cover, but when someone walks by me they uncover me, It's obvious that the jedi is right next to me and I want to shoot him. I can't target him, /tar doesen't work, you can't auto click him. this move is being exploited and it just is getting to rediculous, it needs to either break when someone gets nearby like cover or we should be able to target them. this ruins so many of my bountys. They can place houses while cloaked, drop them and walk inside.Can this issue please be addressed Tanks?
Your template is not suited to fight a cloaker. To be able to kill a cloaker you need serious crowd control to keep him within 20m of you and the ability to survive toe to toe with a cloaker - which isnt that hard because a cloaker is seriously lacking in either offense, defense or healing.
On another note, if he is following you around, breaking your cover over and over again you should first ask him to stop via tells and if he doesnt file a harassment report. Following around other players for extented periods of time is harassment, only exception is a BH stalking a Jedi.
Again part of the game. Follow him and give him visibilty. These types of games people play don't last long but I enjoy the variation from the same old grind.
Uhm - you cannot give a BH visibility. The point was the cloaked mark was stalking the BH just to piss him off, which is harassment.
Skare99
Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:20 am
#95
-Torque- wrote:
Who says I'm asking it to be nerfed, I'm jsut saying it should have a way of being broken. Say your a bh hunting a mark out in the open and not in the city, he sees you and cloaks right away, you get to him and bam no way to target him.. yet you see him. It's NOT right.
Message Edited by -Torque- on 08-08-200505:58 AM
QFE, in any game, rpg, action or MMORPG's, INVISIBILITY is the single most powerful utility spell in game. To counter this, every game except SWG has a counter skill or move. Just goes to show, developers in this game are clueless.
Kissodeath
Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:59 am
#96
Cloaking needs to be defensive skill only, just being used to greive, blow up speeders attack then disappear cloaking is fine by me , but allowing jedi to attack cloaked is stupid , and yes i do think that jedi getting stupid with cloak deserves it to be broken
Eskie
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:27 am
#97
Kissodeath wrote:
Cloaking needs to be defensive skill only , just being used to greive, blow up speeders attack then disappear cloaking is fine by me , but allowing jedi to attack cloaked is stupid , and yes i do think that jedi getting stupid with cloak deserves it to be broken
Jedi are not allowed to attack cloaked. They either need to uncloak themselves or will be uncloaked automatically as soon as they do any attack move. If you see somebody attacking while staying cloaked he is exploiting and you should report him.
Musicmaestro
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:37 am
#98
Jisrael wrote:
chewie49 wrote:
if you run into a jedi that can cloak that means they have sacrificed something (usually defence) and they are probably master powers (aka 20-40 total melee/ranged def). This means that:
1.if you jump them, you have ever opertunity in the world to pwn them before they know what's going on
2. if you get melee in your template you can stay within range so they cant cloak
3. log and come back later to try to jump the cloaker
4.you DONT have to fight a cloaker...you can always save time and get a new missions on someone else, no one is twisting your arm to kill that one jedi.
5. you dont have to take jedi bounties at all, there are NPC missions, non-BH missions, quest missions, artisans (you could become a crafter, etc).
just dont come running to the forums to cry nerf as soon as your template cant beat EVERY single other template out there with ease
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Thank you for at least taking your own advice.
Now, to my point. Cloak is a serious problem, regardless of range or anything else there is no way that cloak should be usable while you're in combat. I'll be firing away on my rifle and cloakers just vanish, there needs to be a timer at the very minimum that limits use of cloak during fights in the area of at least 1 minute out of combat.
It's not like Jedi have a hard time getting 32m away if they want to... from KD, Root, Snare, FR.
This is like DAoC stealth all over again. It is impossible to balance stealth in a game especially stealth on a jedi. Lets not even get into discussion about cloak exploits in dungeons/missions.
nokollary
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:53 am
#99
I still believe that there should be a BH ability or way to kick a jedi out of cloak. Im tired of 0300 saber 0400 cloak jedi sending me tells like OWNED! and AW YOU SUCK BH HAHA. Speaking as someone who grinded a couple jedi singlehandedly, its very annoying.
nokollary
Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:04 am
#100
master_finesse wrote:I'm a relatively new jedi. I was killed while AFK yesterday by a BH causing me to loose 162000 point of XP. It takes a long time to to get 162000 point at 700 - 900 per kill. I wasn't upset. I let the bounty hunter know how I felt about the AFK kill but its part of the game and we have enough advantages as it is. Most of the way through jedi I have been a real easy kill. You get the advantage of sneeking up. You can get us in a grind group with low force and health.You don't have someone hunting you so stop complaining. If you don't like hunting us then hunt the NPC marks. They give better loot anyways.You have no risk but great reward. Thats what isn't fair. If you force me into PVP you need risk.The cloak skill isn't used by many jedi. The Jedi with master powers are rare. The points used here are useless for everyday combat unless you are a powers template. Force run is exatly the same but easier to use. A jedi with it will get away everytime. So why don't we nerf jedi so you can shoot us like ducks at an arcade. What fun would that be. If the jedi didn't have cloak but put the points into LS he would kill you outright. At least this way you didn't have to die.
I dont even know where to start with this post. OK, I'll respond in the order you wrote.
1".I was killed while AFK yesterday by a BH causing me to loose 162000 point of XP."
AFK, *bong* whose fault is that. /sit /logout is your friend.
2."It takes a long time to to get 162000 point at 700 - 900 per kill."
Get in better groups on any of my jedi, I can get 800k to a million jedi xp in an hour. Maybe 600-800k at your level of 700 to 900 a kill. Called, AOE groups look into it.
3."You don't have someone hunting you so stop complaining. If you don't like hunting us then hunt the NPC marks. They give better loot anyways."
lollerpautomus
4."The cloak skill isn't used by many jedi."
You clearly havent been playing long, ebay'd, or dont know many jedi at all.
5."The points used here are useless for everyday combat unless you are a powers template."
The points aren't necessarily useless if they are used as a 'I win' button for jedi.
6."Force run is exatly the same but easier to use. A jedi with it will get away everytime."
Snares, roots, electrolyte drains, dots, and being able to shoot for up to 65+m does not mean force run is at all the same. Force run I can still shoot you. Cloak I cant even target you.
7."So why don't we nerf jedi so you can shoot us like ducks at an arcade."
We arent asking for a nerf, we are asking a way we can fight back to the jedi rather than the jedi pointing and laughing at his low level skill.
$20 says yer grinding to cloak as we speak
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Eskie
Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:13 am
#101
nokollary wrote:
(...)
1".I was killed while AFK yesterday by a BH causing me to loose 162000 point of XP."
AFK, *bong* whose fault is that. /sit /logout is your friend.
2."It takes a long time to to get 162000 point at 700 - 900 per kill."
Get in better groups on any of my jedi, I can get 800k to a million jedi xp in an hour. Maybe 600-800k at your level of 700 to 900 a kill. Called, AOE groups look into it.
3."You don't have someone hunting you so stop complaining. If you don't like hunting us then hunt the NPC marks. They give better loot anyways."
lollerpautomus
4."The cloak skill isn't used by many jedi."
You clearly havent been playing long, ebay'd, or dont know many jedi at all.
5."The points used here are useless for everyday combat unless you are a powers template."
The points aren't necessarily useless if they are used as a 'I win' button for jedi.
6."Force run is exatly the same but easier to use. A jedi with it will get away everytime."
Snares, roots, electrolyte drains, dots, and being able to shoot for up to 65+m does not mean force run is at all the same. Force run I can still shoot you. Cloak I cant even target you.
7."So why don't we nerf jedi so you can shoot us like ducks at an arcade."
We arent asking for a nerf, we are asking a way we can fight back to the jedi rather than the jedi pointing and laughing at his low level skill.
$20 says yer grinding to cloak as we speak
1. true
2. Youre stressing it a bit. Realistically I would say 200k to 400k on average, tops 600k unless you are in an AoE group with only finished templates with great sabers.
3. no comment
4. Infact, Cloak is not used by many Jedi. Look where in the last Astromech Stats Friday Feature the Force Wielder profession ranked.
5. Not an "I win" button - its merely a "I got away this time because the BH lacked or was not using his crowd control". BHs can hold a Jedi mission for 3 days, there is no need to get the kill on the first encounter. Of course most BHs will drop the mission after the Jedi cloaked because they are too lazy to track him down again and try different tactics, which is why the Jedi is cloaking - cloak for 10 mins and more then likely the BH dropped the mission.
6. If a Jedi has Enhancer 4xxx he has a pretty good chance of getting away.
7. no comment
nokollary
Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:17 am
#102
Eskie wrote:
nokollary wrote:
(...)
1".I was killed while AFK yesterday by a BH causing me to loose 162000 point of XP."
AFK, *bong* whose fault is that. /sit /logout is your friend.
2."It takes a long time to to get 162000 point at 700 - 900 per kill."
Get in better groups on any of my jedi, I can get 800k to a million jedi xp in an hour. Maybe 600-800k at your level of 700 to 900 a kill. Called, AOE groups look into it.
3."You don't have someone hunting you so stop complaining. If you don't like hunting us then hunt the NPC marks. They give better loot anyways."
lollerpautomus
4."The cloak skill isn't used by many jedi."
You clearly havent been playing long, ebay'd, or dont know many jedi at all.
5."The points used here are useless for everyday combat unless you are a powers template."
The points aren't necessarily useless if they are used as a 'I win' button for jedi.
6."Force run is exatly the same but easier to use. A jedi with it will get away everytime."
Snares, roots, electrolyte drains, dots, and being able to shoot for up to 65+m does not mean force run is at all the same. Force run I can still shoot you. Cloak I cant even target you.
7."So why don't we nerf jedi so you can shoot us like ducks at an arcade."
We arent asking for a nerf, we are asking a way we can fight back to the jedi rather than the jedi pointing and laughing at his low level skill.
$20 says yer grinding to cloak as we speak
1. true
2. Youre stressing it a bit. Realistically I would say 200k to 400k on average, tops 600k unless you are in an AoE group with only finished templates with great sabers.
3. no comment
4. Infact, Cloak is not used by many Jedi. Look where in the last Astromech Stats Friday Feature the Force Wielder profession ranked.
5. Not an "I win" button - its merely a "I got away this time because the BH lacked or was not using his crowd control". BHs can hold a Jedi mission for 3 days, there is no need to get the kill on the first encounter. Of course most BHs will drop the mission after the Jedi cloaked because they are too lazy to track him down again and try different tactics, which is why the Jedi is cloaking - cloak for 10 mins and more then likely the BH dropped the mission.
6. If a Jedi has Enhancer 4xxx he has a pretty good chance of getting away.
7. no comment
I like your input, but still. I have to disagree with you on the xp. Granted you have to know AOE'rs but I can honestly w/o a doubt get in a aoe group and get a mil xp per hour. Piket lair with all kinds of pickets can go down in less than 50 seconds. Requires 1 tank, 3 MLS. Like I said you have to know people.
And the not many people using cloak thing, maybe on your server, but yesterday alone I had 18 out of 27 bounties cloak on me.
Orthell
Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:46 am
#103
Camelz wrote:
WoLpAcK wrote:
you are all aware that at the moment with thyroid rupture and post cu sabers many jedi cant actually outdamage a bh's heals and instead run them outta force...you are all aware of that..k just checking because for a minute there i thought you just wanted rid of cloak so you could feel better by beating a jedi that couldnt actually kill you to begin with ....
1) I dont have any CM in my template2) I dont have any Doc in my template
3) I dont particularly want to get rid of cloak - but 95% of the gaming community including Powers users agree that cloak is overpowered in its current format
4) Any Jedi that blames their poor PVP ability on post-cu pearls is a n00b and their comments loose all credibilty in a forum frequented by players who regularly interact with Jedi that actually can play the game.
k just checking that you weren't saying that u sux cause of post cu pearls.
I've tuned over 100 crystals and pearls post cu, and I still need to improve my LS. I don't loose, but we are having problems with our LS still.
Durzel
Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:48 am
#104
nokollary wrote:
$20 says yer grinding to cloak as we speak
He's gonna be at it a long time if it takes him that long to get 162000 XP. As you pointed out, that's achieveable in approx. 3-4 lairs in any decent spin group.