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Maybe you should have offered to pay him. Obviously the Jedi does a better job of Stalking than you do 
master_finesse wrote:The cloak skill isn't used by many jedi. The Jedi with master powers are rare. The points used here are useless for everyday combat unless you are a powers template. Force run is exatly the same but easier to use. A jedi with it will get away everytime. So why don't we nerf jedi so you can shoot us like ducks at an arcade. What fun would that be. If the jedi didn't have cloak but put the points into LS he would kill you outright. At least this way you didn't have to die.
yep, you must be new
Skare99 wrote:
-Torque- wrote:
Who says I'm asking it to be nerfed, I'm jsut saying it should have a way of being broken. Say your a bh hunting a mark out in the open and not in the city, he sees you and cloaks right away, you get to him and bam no way to target him.. yet you see him. It's NOT right.
Message Edited by -Torque- on 08-08-200505:58 AM
QFE, in any game, rpg, action or MMORPG's, INVISIBILITY is the single most powerful utility spell in game. To counter this, every game except SWG has a counter skill or move. Just goes to show, developers in this game are clueless.
-Torque- wrote:
Nice to see a Jedi where he don't belong.
chewie49 wrote:5. you dont have to take jedi bounties at all, there are NPC missions, non-BH missions, quest missions, artisans (you could become a crafter, etc).
just dont come running to the forums to cry nerf as soon as your template cant beat EVERY single other template out there with ease
While we're talking strategy, this kind of response weakens your argument. Answer his points, not his profession.
master_finesse wrote:The cloaked mark was stalking the BH. Then the BH can stalk the jedi and give him visability. Why is that concept so hard. It may be childish but it depends on how far he pushes you.
why would a full temp with cloak care about vis? who wants to get into stalking games?
master_finesse wrote:
Skare99 wrote:
-Torque- wrote:
Who says I'm asking it to be nerfed, I'm jsut saying it should have a way of being broken. Say your a bh hunting a mark out in the open and not in the city, he sees you and cloaks right away, you get to him and bam no way to target him.. yet you see him. It's NOT right.Message Edited by -Torque- on 08-08-200505:58 AM
QFE, in any game, rpg, action or MMORPG's, INVISIBILITY is the single most powerful utility spell in game. To counter this, every game except SWG has a counter skill or move. Just goes to show, developers in this game are clueless.
What is the point of a cloak if you have a counter to it. I'm guessing you want the counter in the BH profession. Lets put the counter to it in the image design master box and then we can see how badly you need it to play.
Ok so whats the point of cloak in an MMO? Nobody can honestly defend cloak in it's current state, you can try tho.
I've both loved this game more than any other and hated it more than any other. i've left and come back twice now. there were 2pfb issues pre-cu. mind was everyone's weakness and the kd/dizzy ruled PvP. both could have been easily fixed, and were fixed. (and there was much rejoicing, and also an exodus and much sorrow). nearly everyone has kd recovery, and now all dmg goes to health.
post cu.
the list of pfb and critical game breakingissues seemingly requiring a nerf does not seem to end. Snare on AI, snare on cloak, nerf to sap, super nerf to saber's. New life to defender, yay! force healer reduced to 4000 boo!, and on and on and on. read any other forum and you'll get a better idea how borad the problems are outside of jedi, becausethey all have their legitimate and idiotic gripes too. its not bad, but not nearly the breadth, volume, and focus of poorly construed complaints as pre cu.
personally i think cloak is fine, as is, and where it is. each jedi prof should have an escape move. for enh its statis or suppression + fr, for powers it was cloak, for heal it was that, tho mind costs postcu havekilled it as an option. for def its ai and dmg absorption, for sabers its kd for a round,one they had a nc too.many of the immediate post cu changes were fine but the playerbase finds new ways to abuse things and disrupt the other players game experiences. The cu brought many good changes, such as the fact that specials transfer, such that if i am tkm/pike. i can use both moves with any weapon i am cert for. i miss doc buffs. i miss strategic pvp. i miss fast paced combat.Very soon. i forsee SOE permanently missing another subscriber. that day will be when the cloak nerfs go live and my fr2 don't counter it. it doesn't need a snare and works fine. ai didn't need an increase in cost and a snare. jedi don't need force anymore since one can't take down hundreds of players like they could when they first arrived, in game.
the loot argument is moot. i know at least 20 ppl on my poorly populated server who are not jedi and loot dwb, and the vette daily,many manytimes. it don't take cloak or a jedi to do that. nearly anyone with tkm or decent armor and cl 80 can do it. if you can't,there are many guides, and be prepared to diea few times learning what to do, and you too can join that looter's club.
to those who say i hate fighting a cloaker.cloaking does have its limitations,droids are immnue. always have been and bomb droids can really hurt. even a mdef. and if they are attacking you cloaked, then/tar them and you can hit back, you alwayscould. yes yes. if they can attack seemingly cloaked, well you can hit them too. look at your combat log and see who hit you, or tab til a box shows up on them. pvp is sopitifully slow, you should be able to absorb 5 or more hits from a jedi while you figure out who is hitting you, thenstim yourself and root them.
wait... let me say this again for the slow folk out there: you can alsouse the bug to your advantage, because if they can hit you, you can hit them. I've been on both sides of this occurance and know the bug intimately. I hate it when it happens and i am cloaked because it means things are hitting me, when they should not be able to. i hate it when attacking because it puts me in thesameclass as the exploiters, part of the problem.
snaring cloak isn't going to change it, no heals or channels or fr2. great.chefs will love you because nutricake and sythsteakjust became really popular again. its just going to cause the exploiters to change tactics slightly, or a new nerf to another profession, andlong term, morelost customers, includingthis leia holo holding player will be gone for good.
its the players who caused the game to be as it is now. mainly due to the dev's having to react.
play your jedi responsibly. don't do drugs and alchohol and play with a glowy nerf bat if you feel the need to feed your ego, and make your gank squad proud. provide constructive criticism regarding bugs and issues, and most of all, stop taking things personally, and have fun. but when the last embers of fun burn away. walk away.
I can accept the fact that force cloak is gonna have a snare effect very soon, but may I suggest that we get something small in return--the ability to choose to use some of our stating attacks as a one on one attack rather than forcing us to have an aoe? Nothing is more embarrasing than having a BH hunt you, use your force intimidate and aggro all the MOBs around you making the BHs job much more easy....
The funny part will be when all those with cloak realize that the snare remainsuntil they de-cloakso they will be a sitting duck for any BH who is tracking them with a droid unless they have the ability to regen their force and /logout cloaked.
Im not a powers user, but if I were this would simply piss me off.
Here, read this to sooth your mind:
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