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Thread: Tie's have no hyperdrive

HelRayzer
Wed May 19, 2004 12:08 am
#79


The hull, body, and wing area most importantly is not substantial enough to support the added weight. And yes you would have to have life support, for the fact that if you had a hyperdrive failure in a distant galaxy without ways of communication you would what, just die. If you put a hyper drive in it, it would be a long range space craft wouldn't it? Your right, TIE's are designed for a purpose, and that is to not be hyperdrive capable, which is exactly what we are all saying. And if you modified the TIE to the point you added the extra structure and extra wing, you don't have a TIE, you have the TIE Defender!

Message Edited by HelRayzer on 05-18-2004 03:10 PM



Rayzer Shynes
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Darksfallen
Wed May 19, 2004 12:54 am
#80

Or you could just assume there is something similar to the "Hyperspace Linkup Rings" the Jedi Order had and something similar to Lano's "Shield Ships" providing shields to TIE fighters in the New Jedi Order series. It's not all that large of a stretch, Sure a few years early for the Shield Ships but still.


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Artose
Wed May 19, 2004 1:00 am
#81

To all the rebels saying that ties souldn't have hyperdrives. Thats fine but if you want to go the continuity route , when was it possible for rebels to go walking around in a imperial controled cities able to anything they wished.



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EnterTheWookie
Wed May 19, 2004 1:05 am
#82






Artose wrote:

To all the rebels saying that ties souldn't have hyperdrives. Thats fine but if you want to go the continuity route , when was it possible for rebels to go walking around in a imperial controled cities able to anything they wished.







more times then not, bestine is getting boring lol.


Anyways, why not just have tie carriers stationed in each sector that could launch ties and allow them to enter hyperspace?




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HelRayzer
Wed May 19, 2004 6:14 am
#83





Metroid:


Well I have had enough of you being a jack ass to everyone so I will fill in the blanks?



For example: The TIE fighter is not aerodynamic. By any flight standards, this thing couldnt' even stay in the air.


No, you are wrong, the TIE is more manueverable than any starfigther (maybe not jedi starfighter) in the vaccum of space. It performs about the same as an X-wing in atmosphere. If you don't belive me pick up the X-Wing series books.


The ketch is, Starwars engines work on repulsor technology

Um no, they use repulsors to take off, land, and for evasive manuevering, as in hovering over a trench or somthing like that. Again see X-wing Series


Using this type of a technology, you could make ANYTHING fly. As I said earlier, you could strap an engine to a brick and it would fly. Your arguing the hull of the ship couldn't withstand the Hyperspace- why? Do you have ANYTHING from the Starwars series, or even the EU, that shows what kind of impact hyperspace even has on a ships hull?


Do you understand G-forces. Imagine the G-forces created on a spacecraft (due to acceleration) going from slow to lightspeed velocity. X-wings and other ships have internal compensators for the pilots, but the hull takes the load. See any physics book on kinematic forces




A) Yourassuming the helmets TIE pilots wear aren't self contained life support systems.


B) Your also assuming the TIE's themselves lack life support. Where do you get this information from? Please, feel free to share


I'm not assuming anything. Read the X-wing series books. It is plainly stated that the TIE pilots have no life support.



AND you had the odacity to say a LIFE SUPPORT system would be needed... COME ON


I'll assume that means audacity and say, what if you have a hyperdrive failure in a distant galaxy with out being able to communicate. Oh well you are dead. No time to repair it because you don't have life support.



Realisticly, a starship can be anything.


Well not the TIE's, because they are used in space and in atmosphere. So they have to have good enough flight characteristics in atmospehre which means a brick won't fly really. The best example of a bad aerodynamic airplane design in the F-117 Nighthawk. It's engines are overpowered to make up for this, but hey it is stealth and that is why it is not aerodynamic.



NO! Imperial players MUST do xxxx because the MOVIES say standard TIE doesn't have hyperdrive!" is just plain lack of common sense


Um, no one is forcing this down the devs throat or yours. This was simply an intelligent conversation before you started with the insults. And as I have shown you obviously have no knowledge of what you are saying. So your little insults are nothing.


Message Edited by HelRayzer on 05-19-2004 09:15 AM


So I am editing other stupid stuff you have said so bear with me.

I'm tired of this thread, the "No hyperdrive for TIEs!" crowd just ignores any post that debunks them completely and keeps posting reasons why they shouldn't have hyperdrive.

You haven't provided a post to "debunk" us. Where is it at? I would be interested in reading a thoughtful and factual response to this


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Rayzer Shynes
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HelRayzer
Wed May 19, 2004 6:24 am
#84



blaisedinsd wrote:

No, a TIE defender is a different design. If you were to acquire a standard TIE Fighter you could put shields and a hyperdrive on it. From Starwars.com:


"But the Imperial disregard for life and individuality is the weakness of these fighters. Though deadly en masse, in small numbers their vulnerability becomes apparent. Most TIE fighters lack shields and hyperdrives -- systems that are standard in Alliance fighters. Imperial engineers have learned from these shortcomings and have developed specially modified fighters to deal with the Rebel threat."


Modifying your ship in JTLS changes appearance sometimes. There are several variants of TIE's, and I can find nothing that says a standard TIE can't have a hyperdrive or shields,it is just that they don't. Some people I think just pull stuff out of their ears saying a TIE can't have a hyperdrive unless you modify it in to a TIE Defender, that is just not true. Any ship can be modified, a TIE can and will be modified if it is owned by an individual.


Some people just want to cry about continuity, you have no foundation other than a misconception based on an assumption.







So your quote only proves me correct. They developed new "modified fighters". What do you think those fighters are? Read about the Defender. The reason they didn't put sheilds on is because they designed it that way because they don't care about the loss of life. We aren't pulling anything out of our ears, and I am not saying a modified TIE would have to look exactly like a Defender, but it wouldn't be a standard TIE anymore. There was a reason that third wing boom onj the Defender was added. All the extra control surface needed to manuever and that is a fact. I think we have plenty of foundation for this thread. I actually haven't seen anything factual from you. Have you read the X-Wing series. If you haven't you should.



Rayzer Shynes
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HelRayzer
Wed May 19, 2004 6:34 am
#85


laser don't make any sound. There is very little gravity, meaning you don't get the motion of movement, space moves around you


What?? Light travels. LASER- Light Amplification by the Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Sound has nothing to do with it. Yes, the galaxy is slowly expanding and moves around us, but there is a center to the universe (And Einstein was totally correct) and we move in reference to that.


Play the game blast everyone with your hyperdrive fitted TIE and enjoy


I do enjoy playing the game. I just don't like when people ambush intelligent threads. It's not you I am saying that is doing it. See my above posts. This is what the forums are for, to talk about the game, isn't it?


Message Edited by HelRayzer on 05-19-2004 10:17 AM



Rayzer Shynes
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Mooko
Wed May 19, 2004 7:06 am
#86


I know sound has nothing to do with it. Its just all the tech posts i've just read stating this, stating that, the Star Wars physics doesn't hold up in the Real World. The Space Battles were made with the audience in mind.


Also if gravity wasn't in Space then whats making this rock were sitting on, revolve around a bright yellow Sun?


We all know about the line were Obi-Wan states " no, its a short range fighter". But before that Solo says "it must of just dropped out of hyperspace" this could be used to tie in ties (lol) with hyperdrives, meaning perhapssome had them and some didn't. A experienced pilot like Solo couldn't tell them apart, yet this guy bragged about outrunning Imp Star Destroyers.


hehe i see you removed the no gravity

Message Edited by Mooko on 05-19-2004 03:20 PM

Keslann
Wed May 19, 2004 7:15 am
#87

Why not just have the Tie's start off with no hyperdrive and then make it a upgrade for it? whereas the X-wing would have it stock.

Just a thought.





KESLANN

HelRayzer
Wed May 19, 2004 7:18 am
#88

Did you read all the posts or just the thread subject?



Rayzer Shynes
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Debric
Wed May 19, 2004 8:07 am
#89

First of all, continuity? What the ****? This is a game, not a movie. This game already has many things out of continuity. The thing is, the Imperials are kinda like mercenaries. I think the Imperial should buy a TIE that doesn't come with shields or hyperdrive. The player should *gasp* customize their ship to have such things. This is where the CUSTOMIZATION comes in. I plan on having a black TIE interceptor with a hyperdrive and shields. I also plan on buying or begging for such things from other players. This is why they have the shipwright profession. The differences in ships should be the starting points for things like speed and shields. A TIE Fighter would start with minimal shields while an X-Wing would start with decent shields. In order to balance things out, a player must buy things. This is completely fair and will keep rebels from crying like wookiees..err...babies.



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Riis
Wed May 19, 2004 8:18 am
#90

We need to find a way to NOT have TIES have hyperdrive. No two ways about it. Just because continuity is lacking does not mean we need to stop fighting for continuity. If the devs won't fight for it, then the players must.



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HelRayzer
Wed May 19, 2004 8:35 am
#91

Well put Riis, short and sweet.



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