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Thread: Why do I have to have a group for solo missions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JimmyJB31
Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:54 pm
#66
PikemanAreRarerThanJedi, i hate PvP so i wont ever be a Jedi. Curious im not trying to flame or anything but as a jedi isnt it recomened to hunt by your self to gain xp just to keep the fact that you are a jedi hidden? I mean i think it would be a pain in the arse to always have Bounty Hunters on me all the time. Now i did hear once ya hit Master jedi it take like 6 or a little more bounty hunters to kill ya.
But like i said i hate pvp so i wont be a Jedi but it is tempting sometimes but Naa.
Right now im Master Pikeman (i love it), Master Medic,Novice Doc 4422 i will be master someday LOL but im takeing my time with doc.
Message Edited by JimmyJB31 on 11-03-2004 03:58 AM
False420
Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:02 pm
#67
Manics wrote:
False420 wrote:
Bob take heart and remember that most of the people here are pretty close minded flamtards.
You're telling this to a guy who called everyone nazi's? rofl.. that's absurd.
/sigh
His nazi referance was obviously being used as a terms of exasperation.
and for all those "nazi" out there.
Sein nazi referance wurde offensichtlich als Bezeichnungen von exasperation verwendet.
/sarcasm off
PikemanAreRarerThanJedi
Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:29 pm
#68
hase2 wrote:
im rebel 4443 and soloed everything so far.
in beta i soloed everything exept the tier4 mission4 (including the vette).
but i normally fly in groups and help lower ppl to complete their missions. its way more fun and you gain XP much faster in small to medium groups. and its a possibility to help tier2 pilots grind through the second tier (which is the hardest part imo).
i will group in kessel for sure since it speeds up both master missions and you have a way higher chance of success.
its not difficult to find pilots in your range (unless you are way higher than ALL others in the game - but then you shouldnt have problems soloing the missions)
when you refuse to group- either stay on ground,become a better pilotor stay 3333.
You didn't have the Rebel vortex squadron. Those are the hardest mission because tier 4s spawn around your mission wp's. I don't care who you are , you cannot solo 3 tie teir 4 aggressors, at 3/3/3/2
Message Edited by PikemanAreRarerThanJedi on 11-03-2004 04:30 PM
monochromered
Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:42 pm
#69
I dont see why you have to flame him. Everyone does not have the same playing style. Everything in MMOs are not about groups. Crafting has no group interaction, should that me taken out of this MMO or should crafting also require groups.
Hero_DarkJedi wrote:
Bob_the_tomato wrote:
Yeah, the guy above me needs to shut up
I'm 4444 Privateer, and from 3322 on, I had to group to do all my missions. No amount of strategy will allow you to solo your way to Master Pilot. You will not blow up that corvette alone.
Many missions will even tell you to assemble a flight group. It's nonsense. I understand that this is an MMO, but forced grouping for *advancement* is bad design any way you slice it.
No ... You need to shut up ...
Making content that is solo-able means that there would be no group content.
If you don't want to ever group with people, then go play single player game like doom ... or even single player XWA. Don't come to an MMO and want it to be like a stand alone single player game.
If you want to be a Master Pilot, then your going to have to group with other pilots trying to achieve the same goal. It's not bad design ... you just have tunnel vision as to what you think an MMO should be. (psst, your not getting paid to code the game so sit down).
MMO != Single Player Game ... it's that simple.
Oh ... and before you get into to "why don't they just code around that" ... well, you would just complain about the expansion costing $60 to pay for all that coding ...
Amuro0079
Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:50 pm
#70
What' is wrong is that not everyone is playing the game at prime time so they can find other players to group with easily. I live in a different timezone, GMT +8, so when I play the game,the server isusually very empty.
Gruug wrote:
I don't get it! Seems these days all I hear is people complaining that they can't do missions solo. Most of the 1st 3 tiers are completely soloable. And, what's wrong with getting a wingman to come along?
Jolandir
Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:13 pm
#71
Hagg wrote: This is just bad game mechanics, why should I have to be a part of a large group to take on my solo missions. Then if I dont do the missions I cant be a pilot. I am so ready to quit I cant see straight. Has anyone solo'ed all the pilot missions? I can take the fact that I suck but refuse to have guildmates fly with me just because SOE cant seem to leave the way to master a proffession alone!!
I would aggree some, but just because you get a mission personally does not mean the mission was designed for one person, such as in real life. If you are ordered to take a hill let's say, they don't expect you to do this alone (rather suicidal), but they do expect you to be responsible for getting this done.
In space as in air combat you really are not suppose to usually fight alone. Having been in the Air Force and have had an in depth knowledge first had of Marine and Navy pilots they never normally fly alone. So it is very possible the designers intended this to be that way. The problem is I think this should for the most part be reserved more for missions that I assume will be given my Imperial high command and Rebel high command later on, and not when your are trying to grind your way up the skill tree. If they do intend for you to group for these missions then that should be stated, along with possible reasonable expectations of how many. For instance lets say they give us a mission that is suppose to be grouped to achieve it, the info should clearly state "Intended for groups of at least 3" or whatever number. You get the picture! This would not precluded someone from trying it alone if they want, but at least everyone would be notified that this is the "reasonable" expectation for this mission.
Jolandir
Gruug
Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:26 pm
#72
Bob_the_tomato wrote:
Yeah, you don't get it, you REALLY don't get it.
This is an MMO, so you CAN group. But grouping to gain xp and do missions is not ALL there is. There is tons of interaction with other players you can do and it isn't all grouping. Your narrow vision of the word "multiplayer" is the flaw of most MMO's on the market.
SWG and EQ are the most popular MMO's in North America. Both offer soloing as a viable alternative to grouping. In neither game do you need to group in order to level, although grouping is faster. People LIKE the choice, they HATE being forced to group. FFXI proved that.
There is also group content in both games. So you can group when you want and solo when you want. That is ideal.
Now we have JTL which forces us to group to complete our missions and just advance to Master. And you say "get a wingman" uh huh, yeah, but you can't do all these missions with just you and one other. The Master Mission alone is going to require a zerg to complete.
Why do you even play SWG anyway? Until JTL, there was no forced grouping in order to master your profession. And that was what was so great about it.
I am not saying everything has to be Multiplayer. What I am saying is if you have to havea group to advance past a certain point, what is the big deal. Just get a group together. SWG requires interaction. That is the reason it is an MMORPG. Sure, you can solo missions in the ground game but not unless you seek out a real person to provide you with a buff and another real person to invite you to a solo group. Ok, you don't have to be in a solo group but it is more effective as you know if you do so. So, you are constantly REQUIRED to depend upon someone that is a real player in game. By the way, where did you get that UBER rifle or pistol or composite armor. Wasn't off some NPC was it? You had to depend on someone else to provide it. Like I said before, if you want to totally solo, go play Xwing Alliance.
And by the way, I play SWGbecauseIexpected it to be a social "grouping" type of game and not a single player solofest.
Message Edited by Gruug on 11-03-2004 08:30 PM
Bloodshead
Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:06 pm
#73
You shouldnt have to group for YOUR OWNadvancement, working for YOUR OWN missions and xp should not require you to have help. Training for your own benifit should at least have an option to choose grouping or not. That would make the group people and the solo people both happy. You want to blow through pilot, get a group, you want to struggle for your own advancement do it solo. You dotn get it that if you group you have an extreme atvantage then somone solo'ing it. I had to do all of tier 1-2 with my nub ship because there were no shipwrights I could find with a TIE/in deed.
When you are working for something that benifits yourself, why would others want to group with you? Thats like someone asking for others to help him get a jetpack made in the DWB. Pilots now,they could group for the xp, but at tier 3 you dont even need xp since you get trained for free. Now that leaves ppl only willing to group for loots or the fun of it, or maybe generous ppl willing to help out a struggling rookiee. Now ask yourself, where the hell are you going to find those kind of ppl at 10:00 pm. I was asking ppl at the imperial base for hours and willing to offer my help as well, i found one guy who wanted me to help with his mission first. I said ok and we completed it, then he just loggs off right there. Too bad most of my vet friends are never online or dont have jtl or I would ask them. So its almost impossible to find help for me at least.
Im currently solo'ed my way to 3332 imperial pilot and struggling to complete the last mission for black epsilion. The last mission I have to disable a tier 3YKL-37r, escort it, destroy another YKL-37r (tier 4). Then go get bombarded by waves and waves of tier 4 nym guys. And finally after that, i got to take out a tier 4 Gunboat. With the current lag shields and 700m warp technology these npcs have, I cant complete it. Ive gotten the gunboat to 50% shields/armor, but nearly half my shots hit the invulnerable top/bottom shields, so i got dusted fast.
Cuality
Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:05 pm
#74
False420 wrote:
Manics wrote:
False420 wrote:
Bob take heart and remember that most of the people here are pretty close minded flamtards.
You're telling this to a guy who called everyone nazi's? rofl.. that's absurd.
/sigh
His nazi referance was obviously being used as a terms of exasperation.
and for all those "nazi" out there.
Sein nazi referance wurde offensichtlich als Bezeichnungen von exasperation verwendet.
/sarcasm off
and i guess his entreaties to kill myself were because he was exasparrated?
no, he's a selfish little child thowing a tantrum because he can't play the way he wants.
Bob_the_tomato
Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:12 pm
#75
And you're a child who tattles on people and wants to force everyone to play his way or no way. If you seriously get offended by anything on this forum, you need to step back and take a long hard look at yourself. This is a game, remember? Games are supposed to be fun to play.
Oh well, I made master pilot anyway, good luck to anyone else trying to do that on my server since Kessel is crawling with griefers now.
Cuality
Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:58 pm
#76
telling me to kill myself is pretty offending. especially if you have worked on the suicide watch.in fact, as i said earlier, telling someone to kill themselves is an arrestable offense in most states. i am not forcing people to play the way that i play (most would not survive, i have now finished 4-4-4-4 imp storm squadron missions... solo)
Bob_the_tomato wrote:
And you're a child who tattles on people and wants to force everyone to play his way or no way. If you seriously get offended by anything on this forum, you need to step back and take a long hard look at yourself. This is a game, remember? Games are supposed to be fun to play.
Oh well, I made master pilot anyway, good luck to anyone else trying to do that on my server since Kessel is crawling with griefers now.
Mandril
Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:21 pm
#77
Bob_the_tomato wrote:
I made Master Privateer, first one in the galaxy to do it. It took a group of 5 and we all had to die and fly back multiple times. Sheer stupid luck played a big role, too.
Now some of my friends are trying to do it, but we don't have a big group online anymore and now there are griefers in Kessel trying to stop people from doing their missions. It wouldn't be so bad if you didn't die in one shot in this game.
And we knew in Beta that griefing was going to happen in Live. Griefing is the real sticky wicket when it comes to the requirements to make Master Pilot. It was a bad idea to put the Master missions in a forced PvP zone.
As for the arguments pro/con of forced grouping to obtain Master Pilot status...There's already plenty of group content in the expansion - PvP - all you could want, all the time. So why should Master Pilot be the only profession that cannot be done solo? There's no precedent for it in any other profession in the game - none. Sure, advancement should be challenging - I have no dispute with that concept - but it should not absolutely require grouping to accomplish. If you want to group up, great, have at it. But for a lot of folks, we're casual players, odd-hour players, and often soloers by choice and necessity.
After all, the game was billed thus:
"Experience the greatest Star Wars saga ever told - Yours"
Yours - not "ours".
Cuality
Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:39 pm
#78
Mandril wrote:
Bob_the_tomato wrote:
I made Master Privateer, first one in the galaxy to do it. It took a group of 5 and we all had to die and fly back multiple times. Sheer stupid luck played a big role, too.
Now some of my friends are trying to do it, but we don't have a big group online anymore and now there are griefers in Kessel trying to stop people from doing their missions. It wouldn't be so bad if you didn't die in one shot in this game.
And we knew in Beta that griefing was going to happen in Live. Griefing is the real sticky wicket when it comes to the requirements to make Master Pilot. It was a bad idea to put the Master missions in a forced PvP zone.
As for the arguments pro/con of forced grouping to obtain Master Pilot status...There's already plenty of group content in the expansion - PvP - all you could want, all the time. So why should Master Pilot be the only profession that cannot be done solo? There's no precedent for it in any other profession in the game - none. Sure, advancement should be challenging - I have no dispute with that concept - but it should not absolutely require grouping to accomplish. If you want to group up, great, have at it. But for a lot of folks, we're casual players, odd-hour players, and often soloers by choice and necessity.
After all, the game was billed thus:
"Experience the greatest Star Wars saga ever told - Yours"
Yours - not "ours".
can't do Squad Leader without other players. Can't be a doctor without other players, can't be an entertainer without other players, can't be a jedi knight without other players, can't be a combat medic without other players, can't be a medic solo. The rest you can do solo but that is 1/6 professions that REQUIRE you to have at least one other PC nearby.
The issue is that you aren't FORCED into doing this, the issue is that it is tooHARD for people to do solo, so you think that you HAVE to do it in a group. Being grouped makes it easier, is more fun and makes combat better. It is NOT impossible to solo.