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Duragoth
Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:31 am
#67
That's for just the frame not a fully flyable ship, big difference in items. Now if those prices where for a flyable ship thats different, but as the post has it, it would be just a non-flyable frame. If this kind of markup is present I see alot of starter ships out there for a long time, or a mess of grinders spending all of their time resource hunting, and not much flight time. I do have to agree that the orignal post does list the resource price low, but the price in question is his labor cost.
MistyLee
Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:04 am
#68
Thank you for posting this, i'll be using it as a quick guide for my ship sales in the future. =)
CarpetGunk wrote:
Below is a list of ships, grouped together according to the resources required to make them. Ships from different factions that require the same amount and type of resources are priced equally as to not show any favoritism to a specific faction. Please allow time for me to master Shipwright to have access to all ship blueprints.
* All resources cost 1cpu except siliclastic ore and copper, and those are only 2cpu.
** Total cost = Resource cost + plus an incremental increase of 20k in labor per level of ship
*** When you buy a particular ship blueprint - you still have to take it to a Starship Chassis Broker (NPC) located in most major starports for him to turn it into an actual chassis. Shipwrights have no control over this. A reactor and engine must be equipped on the ship in order to at least get it into space and must be purchased/looted/acquired seperately. You have to be certified to fly these ships, so don't waste money now, on a ship you won't be able to fly for some time to come (if money is an issue).
Ship Faction Color Key
Privateer (Neutral) Ships
Rebel Ships
Imperial Ships
1) Syck (Both Styles)
2) Z-95 Headhunter
3) TIE Light Duty
Frame: 2k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 1k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 1k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 1k Aluminum @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 5k + 20k labor = 25,000 Credits
4) Dunelizard (Both styles)
5) Y-Wing (NOT Longprobe version)
6) TIE Fighter
Frame: 5k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 2k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 2k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 2k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 2k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 2k Aluminum @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 15k + 40k labor = 55,000 Credits
7) Kihraxz (All 4 Styles)
8) Kimogila (Both Styles)
9) Y-Wing "Longprobe" Version
10) TIE/In Space Superiority Starfighter
Frame: 9k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 3k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 3k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 3k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 3k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 3k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 3k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 3k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 30k + 60k labor = 90,000 Credits
11) Ixiyen Fast Attack (All 4 styles)
12) X-Wing
13) TIE Bomber
14) TIE Interceptor
Frame: 18k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 6k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 6k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 6k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 6k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 6k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 6k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 6k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 60k + 80k labor = 140,000 Credits
15) Rihkxyrk (All 4 Styles)
16) A-Wing
17) TIE Advanced
18) TIE Aggressor
Frame: 24k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 8k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 8k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 8k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 8k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 8k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 8k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 8k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 80k + 100k labor = 180,000 Credits
19) YT-1300
20) VT-49
21) YKL-37R
22) B-Wing
23) TIE Oppressor
Frame: 60k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 10k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 10k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 10k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 10k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 10k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 10k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 10k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Structural Support: 10k Siliclastic Ore @ 2cpu
Pulse Shielding: 10k Copper @ 2cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 170k + 120k labor = 290,000 Credits
DingoBoi
Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:21 am
#69
CarpetGunk wrote:
There is no "fair market value" for SHIPS yet- I am trying to influence what the ship market STARTS out at, so people likeDingo won't screw over their servers... You are a fool. The resources are worth more than you are selling the ship blueprints for. Only fools will take a loss on the resources to produce product.
These prices are for the **BLUEPRINT** ONLY
People still have to pay for:
- the visit to the starship chassis broker NPC still no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
- reactorsstill no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
- enginesstill no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
- shieldsstill no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
- weaponsstill no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
- armorstill no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
- weaponsstill no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
- capacitorsstill no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
- droid interfacesstill no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
- droids, etc....still no reason that this would affect selling price of blueprint
Get off your greedy high horse Dingo, read the rest of this forum, read the response to the same post on my server's forum and realize that you are nothing but an annoying, greedy, money-hungry arse that realized you just got caught with your pants down and can't compete with your desire to price-gouge the hell out of the market.Is it greedy to sell resources at what they are actually worth? Everyone recognizes there is a range of sales price for resources. You are saying your resources are worth typically less than half of what you could sell them on the market. I fail to see how you presume I am 'greedy'. I've long been in power and have paid a high 'opportunity cost'. If all I wanted was to price gouge I'd have had my 180 harvesters on the best minerals each cycle instead of power. And you assume too much as I have over 50M resources just waiting for launch. I hardly call that unprepared. Maybe in your little world it is, since the rules of the real world don't seem to apply to you. Please check with your psychiatrist about upping your medication cuz it ain't a-workin now.
You are an annoying pest. You are simply a greedy, unprepared wanna-be Shipwright who realized he just got caught being unprepared. You do like to repeat yourself... 50M resources since you are slow and probably missed it the first time
I know it, you know it, and judging from the response in this thread and the thread I started up in my server, everyone else knows it.
I'd suggest you go back to the beta forums and read the litany of threads there on pricing. None of them agree with you. I don't care about the 'reception' you got on your forums. What you are doing is selling uber composite for the price of a plain shirt.
At least you finally admit you are trying to crash the market from a truly reasonable sales price. And anything under value of resources is definitely 'unreasonable'.
You are an assshat.
Have a nice day! Kthanxbye!
GadonThek
Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:38 am
#70
So what is a fair price DingoBoi? 500k for a starter chassis? 10 mil for a master level chassis? Whats a reasonable price for components; 2 mil each? 6 mil each? Hell, why not just charge 60 mil flat-rate for every outfitted ship you make, that would be "fair" right?
It seems to me as if those shipwrights who are "jumping on the bandwagon", just like those Artisans who jumped in when speeders first arrived, are trying to price for the top 20% of their server's population, ie, the rich crafters, the flavour of the month templaters who can farm credits or the players who are still rolling in credits from the holocron craze.
The sad thing is, you'll probably get away with it, because the top 20% usually dont give a flying f**k how much they have to pay, as long as they get what they want, it just means that all the rest of us who chose a character template we liked rather than one which lets us be "t3h ub4r" will be totally locked out of most of JTL for the forseeable future. You have fun up in space with sod all people to fight with/against, because at this rate most of us are going to have to wait for several months before the proces on ships drop to acceptable levels. But they will drop, eventually, just like speeders, just like mounts, just like houses: one day prices for ships are going to drop through the floor, and its people like the original poster who actually give a s**t about their customers now who will be getting what little business is left.
It seems to me as if those shipwrights who are "jumping on the bandwagon", just like those Artisans who jumped in when speeders first arrived, are trying to price for the top 20% of their server's population, ie, the rich crafters, the flavour of the month templaters who can farm credits or the players who are still rolling in credits from the holocron craze.
The sad thing is, you'll probably get away with it, because the top 20% usually dont give a flying f**k how much they have to pay, as long as they get what they want, it just means that all the rest of us who chose a character template we liked rather than one which lets us be "t3h ub4r" will be totally locked out of most of JTL for the forseeable future. You have fun up in space with sod all people to fight with/against, because at this rate most of us are going to have to wait for several months before the proces on ships drop to acceptable levels. But they will drop, eventually, just like speeders, just like mounts, just like houses: one day prices for ships are going to drop through the floor, and its people like the original poster who actually give a s**t about their customers now who will be getting what little business is left.
maxtheusher
Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:59 am
#71
As long as the most expensive ship doesn't cost more than 1 mil then I'll be content. 2.5 mil max if it was like the most decked out uber ready to fly ship ever, one so powerful that it would make you stare at your path of carnage and mutter, "I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds..." But I'm sure something will come around, a special looted schematic ship, that will cost 176 bajillion credits and There'll be five people on the server with it, flying around, tapping all the ships they see so nobody can kill anything. And then that's when Someone will unlock their Eclipse Sensitive slot, and they'll take command of an Eclipse class command ship. which would occupy approximately 1/8 of any given sector allowing them to park themselves in Kessel and kill anyone stupid enough to try and finish their pilot profession, without even moving.
Oh wait, that was the ground game...
The things I say when waiting for the server to load...
Oh wait, that was the ground game...
The things I say when waiting for the server to load...
Soltari-bacca
Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:05 am
#72
The overall costs are thecheapest you will likely find and you think he's labor costs are high? Lol.
Duragoth wrote:
That's for just the frame not a fully flyable ship, big difference in items. Now if those prices where for a flyable ship thats different, but as the post has it, it would be just a non-flyable frame. If this kind of markup is present I see alot of starter ships out there for a long time, or a mess of grinders spending all of their time resource hunting, and not much flight time. I do have to agree that the orignal post does list the resource price low, but the price in question is his labor cost.
DingoBoi
Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:35 am
#73
Soltari-bacca wrote:
The overall costs are thecheapest you will likely find and you think he's labor costs are high? Lol.
Duragoth wrote:
That's for just the frame not a fully flyable ship, big difference in items. Now if those prices where for a flyable ship thats different, but as the post has it, it would be just a non-flyable frame. If this kind of markup is present I see alot of starter ships out there for a long time, or a mess of grinders spending all of their time resource hunting, and not much flight time. I do have to agree that the orignal post does list the resource price low, but the price in question is his labor cost.
Even I /boggle as that post.
Duhauste
Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:41 am
#74
CarpetGunk wrote:
Below is a list of ships, grouped together according to the resources required to make them. Ships from different factions that require the same amount and type of resources are priced equally as to not show any favoritism to a specific faction. Please allow time for me to master Shipwright to have access to all ship blueprints.
* All resources cost 1cpu except siliclastic ore and copper, and those are only 2cpu.
** Total cost = Resource cost + plus an incremental increase of 20k in labor per level of ship
*** When you buy a particular ship blueprint - you still have to take it to a Starship Chassis Broker (NPC) located in most major starports for him to turn it into an actual chassis. Shipwrights have no control over this. A reactor and engine must be equipped on the ship in order to at least get it into space and must be purchased/looted/acquired seperately. You have to be certified to fly these ships, so don't waste money now, on a ship you won't be able to fly for some time to come (if money is an issue).
Ship Faction Color Key
Privateer (Neutral) Ships
Rebel Ships
Imperial Ships
1) Syck (Both Styles)
2) Z-95 Headhunter
3) TIE Light Duty
Frame: 2k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 1k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 1k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 1k Aluminum @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 5k + 20k labor = 25,000 Credits
4) Dunelizard (Both styles)
5) Y-Wing (NOT Longprobe version)
6) TIE Fighter
Frame: 5k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 2k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 2k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 2k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 2k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 2k Aluminum @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 15k + 40k labor = 55,000 Credits
7) Kihraxz (All 4 Styles)
8) Kimogila (Both Styles)
9) Y-Wing "Longprobe" Version
10) TIE/In Space Superiority Starfighter
Frame: 9k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 3k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 3k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 3k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 3k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 3k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 3k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 3k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 30k + 60k labor = 90,000 Credits
11) Ixiyen Fast Attack (All 4 styles)
12) X-Wing
13) TIE Bomber
14) TIE Interceptor
Frame: 18k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 6k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 6k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 6k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 6k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 6k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 6k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 6k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 60k + 80k labor = 140,000 Credits
15) Rihkxyrk (All 4 Styles)
16) A-Wing
17) TIE Advanced
18) TIE Aggressor
Frame: 24k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 8k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 8k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 8k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 8k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 8k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 8k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 8k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 80k + 100k labor = 180,000 Credits
19) YT-1300
20) VT-49
21) YKL-37R
22) B-Wing
23) TIE Oppressor
Frame: 60k Steel @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Frame Infrastructure: 10k Steel @ 1cpu
Structural Support: 10k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Base Chassis Plating: 10k Low Grade Ore @ 1cpu
Basic Heat Shielding: 10k Inert Petrochemical @ 1cpu
Aluminum Ship Skin: 10k Aluminum @ 1cpu
Chassis Shock Absorption Layer: 10k Iron @ 1cpu
Cockpit Insulation: 10k Fiberplast @ 1cpu
Advanced Chassis Structural Support: 10k Siliclastic Ore @ 2cpu
Pulse Shielding: 10k Copper @ 2cpu
________________________________________
TOTAL COST: Above resources = 170k + 120k labor = 290,000 Credits
I think the poster was just posting a friendly EXAMPLE silly ppl thinking the poster took the time to do it and didnt know cpu was low its a EXAMPLE fools besides ...he didnt list the ship parts / equipment so...get over it and why blast him if he was really selling that low.
1) if your a SW competing go buy it all , only saves u time from crafting it all.
2) if your a pilot ...do i need to say why you shouldnt blast him for selling low...sad..
5 star for you CarpetGunk for even bother to take the time to leave self open to noobs flamming you sir,
Message Edited by Duhauste on 10-23-2004 08:42 AM
DingoBoi
Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:56 am
#75
Duhauste wrote:
I think the poster was just posting a friendly EXAMPLE silly ppl thinking the poster took the time to do it and didnt know cpu was low its a EXAMPLE fools besides ...he didnt list the ship parts / equipment so...get over it and why blast him if he was really selling that low.
a typical conversation:
CheapArse1: Hey, how much is XXX ship?
Shipwright: It's 300K for the blueprint.
ChearArse1: 300K? Are you crazy.. It's not worth that... Jergo sells them for 140K.
Shipwright: Then go buy one from Jergo.
CheapArse1: He doesn't have any and his order list is a mile long.
Shipwright: then wait or buy one at my price. Resources are valuable.
CheapArse1: No they aren't. Jergo sells his at 1cpu.
Shipwright: Why would I make ships that use resources worth 3cpu and sell them at 1cpu? Easier to just sell the resources then.
CheapArse1: Because Jergo does
Shipwright: Then go buy one from Jergo.
CheapArse1: But he doesn't have any.
Shipwright: /addignore cheaparse1
CarpetGunk
Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:21 am
#76
- Dingoboi - I've admitted to nothing. Don't put words in my mouth ok cool guy?
- Since the selling of these resources in this GAME don't affect my real LIFE, I don't care what they sell for. I'm starting aSHIP market, not a resource market. kthx
- I've said this a million times and I'll say it again. I have millions and millions in resources, and I've been constantly harvesting since April and am continuing to harvest.
- You don't need to worry about me not being able to supply people with ships.
- Oh, and don't worry about the other major shipwrights buying me out. They're good people, I know them. I've been playing since launch. Besides, if some buyout attempts are made, I'll catch on to it quickly.
- Well, I think we're about done here Dingoboi - you're going to flame me some more and call me an idiot again, and flame me a little more, and tell me I admiited to something else that I DIDN'T, but that's ok...
- Your posts reveal how unprepared you are, and that is a very funny thing.
Nothing but love for you Dingo!
It's a vicious cycle. Dingoboi flames because he's unprepared, oh, and because he think's I'm messing up the ship market (that doesn't exist yet) and then I go, no, no, you're just unprepared.
CHECK IT OUT EVERYONE! HERE COME THE FLAMES!
Please Dingo! Respond! I can't wait to continue putting up with your incessant and annoying blabber!
/sarcasm off
Edit: Why are you selling your power resources at 1.5cpu!?!? THAT'S TOO CHEAP! YOU'RE GOING TO CRASH THE ENERGY MARKET! YOU MUST RAISE THEM NOW FOR STAR WARS GALAXIES TO SURVIVE!!
ROFFLE!@!@!
Message Edited by CarpetGunk on 10-23-2004 08:25 AM
Diorchas
Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:10 am
#77
I'd like to ask a question of the original poster:
Since you're selling the "finished product" ship for roughly 1cpu (for extremely high quality resources), then you wouldn't mind selling me a bunch of those resources for 1.5cpu, right?
JudgeStar
Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:17 am
#78
its a god starting guide and i commend you sir on your honesty and work. for those flaming him charge more.. it's your perogative, but as he stated i dont see anyone else putting up there pricing plans.. let me guess 1 mil fora z-95 and prices go up from there????
hate people who flame others for trying to keep things at a reasonable price and then say that same person is crazy, wish this gentleman was in my server cause would definately buy from him vs someone who wants to rip me off at an ungodly amount of creds for a ship.