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Thread: Devs are u saying the falcon didn't have a main gun?
DaveG Wrote:
Ke_la wrote:
Ok First off has anyone accually seen Han Fire his turrets from the Pilot's seat?
in ANH(DVD) - Lucas's Offical Version and ONLY complete one
54:40 - "I made a lot of Special Modifications Myself" - Han Solo (its a HEAVLY modified ship)
55:53 - Han has to stand up and us a termanal Behind the Pilots Chair to Program the Nav Computer he later 1:03:14 has to use the same position on a panal above his head to Cut over to sublight engines. So the devs already removed atleast 1 player position for Playablity(in RotJ they had 4 people runnig the boards in the cockpit. Pilot,Co-Pilot, Navagator(the Nav Comp termnal was infront of him), and (I am guessing) Flight engeer).
in Jedi(DVD)
1:35:13 - Laser Fire is clearly coming from the Top turret and as Lando is Flying though a Cloud of TIEs I would think that this would be the time to Fire a FWD mounted Main gun wouldn't you?
1:40:53 - Lando is lining up on a Tie and a shot blows it up clearly coming from the lower Left of the cockpit angling to the Top Right exsacly how a shot from the lower turret should traval.
2:02:16 - 2 shots are seen coming from 2 differant ports between the "Forks" of the front of the ship. However they are clearly Missals and not lasers. so there can't be lasers there if there are launch tubes there.
Is this good enough for you guys?
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Message Edited by Ke_la on 11-23-2004 05:18 PM
Message Edited by Ke_la on 11-23-2004 05:26 PM
Ke_la wrote:
DaveG Wrote:
Ke_la wrote:
Ok First off has anyone accually seen Han Fire his turrets from the Pilot's seat?
Well, we have seen the Millenium Falcon shoot at a TIE fighter while everyone on board was in the cockpit, ergo nobody in the turrets.
(Ep 4, ANH).
Yep. In the modified YT-1300. But, alas, we don't get the Falcon at master, we get a Corellian Engineering YT-1300.
does the falcon have a main gun?
if yes was it one of han's or lando's mods?
or do all yt's have them
if it was a mod by han or lando why can't we add one?
lastly if the answer to question 1 is "no" then this discussion is moot. but i dont really think u can get a clear look at the falcon firing in rotj space battle which is the only time i think it might have fired its main gun if it does in fact have one.
Completely agree with everything you said.
RogueCloudwalker wrote:
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Ke_la wrote:
Ok if you bring the EU into it there are a number of ocations where the Falcon was called Inefficent because it took atleast 4 crewmembers to fly properly Pilot,Co-pilot, and 2 gunners. Oh and lets not forget the 2 positions behind the Pilots seat for the Navigator and I can only guess Flight Engeeneer.
Well that's okay, I think most reasonable people would be happy to take a performance hit in exchange for flying & fighting manually.I would.
Besides, RogueCloudWalker already said what you said in a way. The YT-1300 doesn't handle like a fighter, so if you're ever on your own and forced into a corner where you have to fight, then there's your performance hit. You've either got to try to manage shooting forwards with a slow turn rate (or even worse let the ship come to a complete halt and run to a turret as things are currently).
An why are you AGAIN compairing a Massivly Multi-Player game to SINGLE player games and it don't give me that XvT and X-wing Alliance where Multi-Player because you could NOT have the other Players board your ship and fire your guns for you.
Well I'm sure RogueCloudWalker will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the point is the XvT (note I haven't played this game) is an example of functional game mechanics where a pilot/player was flying a YT-1300 alone.
Also, in nearly EVERY case Han choose to run instead of Fight if it was at all Possable.
A lot of criticisms against pilot controlled guns in the YT-1300 come from the idea of it killing group play. I cannot imagine how thiswould everhappen. As I stated above (and many times before in other threads),a YT-1300 with only one player wouldn't ever be as good as fully crewed ship. You loose the human intelligence control of the turrets for one thing, add to that trying to fire forwards with the slower turn rate. So, there's no way in which a YT-1300 with pilot controlled guns would be by any measure "uber".
Some people also say, we already have pilot weapons in the form of missiles, which the pilot does fire. However, that's not the answer for two reasons: 1) Missiles don't do much more damage than a good cannon/gun. 2) They are limited ammunition, and you cannot currently reload in space. Furthermore, even if you could reload in space, you'd need a heck of a lot of missiles for the launcher to be a gun substitute.
Lastly, pilot controlled guns in a YT-1300 never need to kill group play because there is no reason for this to obstruct a group of players coming aboard. In short, If you want to group, then group and enjoy it. We're just saying that we want to be able to fly the sort of ship in which you can move around inside of on our own too. Just give us the option.
RasalTheWise wrote:
Scoooter wrote:
Gawzeera wrote:
its a multiplayer ship.
you should not be able to do anything other than fly it by yourself.
never once in any of the films do you see Han or Lando flying the falcon by themselves. there is always at least 1 other person on board.
It's really a pacticality issue, sometines you cant get a crew mustered.
True, although if there were someone who was shouting in front of the Coronet spaceport that they needed a crewhand aboard their YT-1300, would you jump at that? Especially if you were a fledgeling pilot? I know I would.
Well yeah if you dont care about the crew. The coordination of the gunners and pilot takes a lot of practice to make effective. Its not easy to be effective not knowing each other.
Taking random people as opposed to having the people you have worked with can be dangerous
NeoSabre wrote:
In the extended Star Wars Universe (books), there are several occasons where Chewbacca controlled the turrets from the co-pilot's station. That ability would ad least be a compromise for now. Right now the Co-pilot position is nothing but a seat. It cannot even fire the missles that CAN be fired from the pilot's seat.
NeoSabre wrote:
In the extended Star Wars Universe (books), there are several occasons where Chewbacca controlled the turrets from the co-pilot's station. That ability would ad least be a compromise for now. Right now the Co-pilot position is nothing but a seat. It cannot even fire the missles that CAN be fired from the pilot's seat. The co-pilot's seat places a turret icon by your name when you man it. So, why shouldn't it be able to fire the turrets as it seems to have been originally intended in it's design?
Outside of that, IMHO, I believe the turrets should be locked to fire forward when unmanned. This is how they are in "X-Wing Alliance". There may be several references here to XWA, and as it game it may have some "creative liscense", but there is no reason that cannot apply here as well.Call it "playability license".
Books are Artistic License. They can Say Chewy had a headband on, that let him controll the turrets mentally if they want to. People dont get it, SOE could put little gremlins in there to control them if they want to. Bottom line dont site books or Previous game for fact, especially fact based around something as Star Wars. There is so much Star Wars Crap on the market you can find any evidence to support any theory you can come up with. Just like there are weenies that believe Boba Fett survived the Sarlaac Pit, just because a Splat book says so. Unless George lucas himself the god of Star Wars says a Standard YT-1300 has linkable turrets or non Linkable Turrets arguing back and forth is like to kids on a playground fighting over a bucket of sand.
like some sort of transport that could fire without a crew ??