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Thread: Devs are u saying the falcon didn't have a main gun?

TeepoJedi
Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:07 pm
#40

Being a neutral pilot myself and not having a main single or 2 person ship in our line for master and the fact that the YT-1300 is so unique to Star Wars I think it should be a combination single/multi ship. Let one person fire the guns and run it as a skeleton crew so it's soloable but obviously having other players aboard to do certain operations will make it a much more deadly ship.
truewildman
Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:26 pm
#41


What the hell good would forward firing weapons be?? Anything less than Tier 3 can't hurt you, and anything more than Tier 3 you wouldn't be able to get into your sights anyway.


I guess I don't get it. I own a YT, and it's hard enough just to get a missile lock. In fact, on Tier 4's and 5's, about the best way to do so, is to target ones busy withyour fighter wingmen, then, having other man your turrets are just about indespensible.





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NeoSabre
Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:37 pm
#42

Requiring a two man crew to operate, like Han and Chewbacca did, would be fine. Let the turrets be locked forward when unmanned and able to be fired from the Co-Pilot's position.
A two person minimum to operate the YT-1300 instead of four would, to me, be an acceptable compromise. With that the ship would still not be fully effective without a full crew to operate the turrets independently, but servicable enough in a crunch.



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GRandG
Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:54 pm
#43






hase2 wrote:

i wonder why noone is asking for a failing reactor or malfunctioning hyperdrive.

iirc the falcon was more or less falling apart and almost none of its components were working as intendend.

how about adding a front gun and adding a reactor that shuts down randomly?








Actually this combined with loot schematics to modify a multi player ship would be fair. The more looted modifications you add to your ship the more temperamental it becomes. Gives us more loot, more of a sense of roleplay and the modifications that are sought. Just make them not easy to get and the chance for failure needs to be an ever present danger.



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DaveG
Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:16 pm
#44







MadcowwithSARS wrote:

Books are Artistic License. They can Say Chewy had a headband on, that let him controll the turrets mentally if they want to. People dont get it, SOE could put little gremlins in there to control them if they want to. Bottom line dont site books or Previous game for fact, especially fact based around something as Star Wars. There is so much Star Wars Crap on the market you can find any evidence to support any theory you can come up with. Just like there are weenies that believe Boba Fett survived the Sarlaac Pit, just because a Splat book says so. Unless George lucas himself the god of Star Wars says a Standard YT-1300 has linkable turrets or non Linkable Turrets arguing back and forth is like to kids on a playground fighting over a bucket of sand.





Yep, and so are computergames. Except that an author of a book doesn't have to write the book to give what specifically the readers want (e.g. if people don't like the book, it doesn't get rewritten). However, comptuer game writers who are being payed by regular payments from the player base, need to keep up with that the 'clients' would like.


There is a reason turrets/guns keep coming up as an issue. A lot of players love the idea of being able to get up from the pilot seat and walk around inside their ship. To have a personal space, a home in space. It adds that extra dimension of realism and immersion.


However, the only ship that does this is the Sorosuub. While I know this is a subjective thing to say, but I think there's a feeling that the Sorosuub isn't, ummm, a fully engaged option. It handles badly, it can't be upgraded, it doesn't do combat.


Therefore, the nearest option we have is the current multiplayer ships, and naturally, people that feel like this want the YT-1300 (in particular) to cater for this need. Unfortunately people oppose this idea; the irony of the opposing view is that the wishes of the people I'm talking about would never prevent other people having a full crew in their multiplayer ship.


Of course the alternative option is for new ships to be included. Call them "Passenger Ships" if you like. Ships that only need one person, but that can carry items and other people. These ships would be a half-way position between single-person fighters and crew-reliant ships.

Message Edited by DaveG on 11-23-2004 10:17 PM



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Kinshi
Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:28 pm
#45

Of course the Falcon didnt have a main gun that the pilot could fire, just watch the movies again to see that.

Episode IV, Han & Luke had to man the turrets while Chewbacca flew.

Case closed
truewildman
Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:30 pm
#46






Kinshi wrote:
Of course the Falcon didnt have a main gun that the pilot could fire, just watch the movies again to see that.

Episode IV, Han & Luke had to man the turrets while Chewbacca flew.

Case closed





We aren't given a Falcon at master!!!! We are given a run-of-the-mill YT-1300. None were produced by Corellian Engineering with a gun!!





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DaveG
Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:34 pm
#47






Kinshi wrote:
Of course the Falcon didnt have a main gun that the pilot could fire, just watch the movies again to see that.

Episode IV, Han & Luke had to man the turrets while Chewbacca flew.

Case closed






Afraid it isn't that simple I'm afraid.


That isn't the only scene where we see the Falcon shooting at a TIE fighter. Check the scene where the falcon jumps into the Alderaan system, and just after they realise the planet is gone, a TIE patrol fighter flies past them. Everyone is in the cockpit, but they shoot at the TIE. Whether this is from a front gun, or from fixed turrets is hard to say.


Also, in RotJ, while the Falcon undoubtedly had a large crew in the battle of Endor, the scenes you see (prior to the DeathStar assault) seem to suggest the Falcon is firing from the front, and not the turrets, oddly enough.




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Kinshi
Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:45 pm
#48

Ok ok, well I guess it is *possible* that Solo might have had a addon that allowed the turrets to be linked to a remote, but thats not terribly useful when ya have TIES swarming all over. I dont think there was another weapon on board other than the turret guns.

Now as I typed that I seem to recall some small gun coming out of a concealed panel in the hull (up toward the front, right of the ship). I seem to recall it being used to fire remotelly at something as they were running back to the ship, but it was small and certainly did not seem to be of any use versus another ship.
Ke_la
Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:51 pm
#49

Ok First off has anyone accually seen Han Fire his turrets from the Pilot's seat? No(Han was in the Gunners Seat in the Final FIght sceen in NH Hence no Chewie next to him, The Mic he Only whore in the Turret on him, and the blackness behind him


Second the Few mentions in the EU about firing from the Pilots Chair said that it was very slow and wildly inacurate(save when Luke in Full on Jedi mode was flying it with the Force).


Third There are numorous mentions in the EU of how the Falcon was enefficant because it needed 4 crew members atleast to fly it right.


Fourth the co-pilot does do stuff like use the Skill comands such as IFF and (for rebles) In Flight Repair as well as use the Droid/Flight Comp commands (BTW you can use ANY factions Droid commands you just need a Friendly member of that faction to program it for you).


Fith, If your willing to have a Ship that 1)1/2 of the time(more if in combate) does not enter Hyperspace as the Engine is down, 2) Comonants HP slowly drops while in flight, 3) requires a /bang on the controls to get it to start, 4) Requires a secondary control stick for the turrets(the weren't locked but where control by a very small joystick) say a second mouse or if using a joystick your mouse, 5) was nearly blind in the rear arc(that sensor dish while it had extree range forward could not see behind it). Then you can fire the Turrets from the Pilots position.


Lastly, Don't compair Single person games to Massivly-Mulity Player Games, and yes While XvT and Xwing alliance both had multiy-player componants they where designed for 1 player and the Mulity Player was a free for all.




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Ke_la
Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:57 pm
#50

That isn't the only scene where we see the Falcon shooting at a TIE fighter. Check the scene where the falcon jumps into the Alderaan system, and just after they realise the planet is gone, a TIE patrol fighter flies past them. Everyone is in the cockpit, but they shoot at the TIE. Whether this is from a front gun, or from fixed turrets is hard to say.






Wrong Luke said why can't you shoot him and Han said there well out of range!


as for RotJ yeah it kinda looks like its fireing from the front but guess what he was attacking a Capital Ship NOT Ties so the guns would be firing forward. Secondly, there on top and bottom of the center of the ship if there both facing forward and are aimed at the same point they would apear to be fireing from the front. do to the angles.




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DaveG
Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:57 pm
#51






Ke_la wrote:

Ok First off has anyone accually seen Han Fire his turrets from the Pilot's seat?



Well, we have seen the Millenium Falcon shoot at a TIE fighter while everyone on board was in the cockpit, ergo nobody in the turrets.


(Ep 4, ANH).

Message Edited by DaveG on 11-23-2004 10:57 PM



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DaveG
Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:02 pm
#52






Ke_la wrote:


as for RotJ yeah it kinda looks like its fireing from the front but guess what he was attacking a Capital Ship NOT Ties so the guns would be firing forward. Secondly, there on top and bottom of the center of the ship if there both facing forward and are aimed at the same point they would apear to be fireing from the front. do to the angles.






Give me a time index for the shot you're talking about, I'll go look it up.



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