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Slarus wrote:
This is super dumb.
First of all, there is a differnce between clearly contradicting what we KNOW , say, allowing thousands of Jedi run around when we KNOW that only Luke and Yoda are alive during this time, and REASONING OUT professions that aren't clearly stated but are at least consistent with what we know.
Point by Point Application:
Pikeman: What? What were those guys on Jabba's skiff, and Lando, holding in their hands? They were PIKES of various kinds. Just like Jabba had a creature handler, he had all sorts of Pikemen.
Same goes for Swordsmen and Fencers. Swords existed. People in parts of the galaxy would have used them. I don't think they'd be as prevelent as they are in 'the real star wars universe', nor would the be as powerful (that's another rant) but there is nothing INCONSISTENT with what we know about them that would give us a reason to think they don't exist. Or you really willing to say that simply because the movies don't SHOW people with swords that there aren't any? SURELY there are planets whose technological development is not as advanced, who would use swords, etc. You'd be daft to think otherwise. Hence, there is nothing 'stoopid' about allowing them to be professions
Bio-Enigineers. Well, the technological levels in Star Wars are such that this isn't far fecthed at all. Even on Earth we are learning how to clone animals, and to enhance fruits and vegetables. we've even learned to make NEW fruits, like cross oranges and tangerines, and in Japan they even learned how to make square watermelons (don't believe me? look it up.)
It's not like Vader killed all the smart scientist types who know alot about genetics and cloning and stuff.
Rangers: Wow. Well, heck. Thisis dumb, too.Heck, we have a pretty good grasp of how to hunt animals and craft on Earth. I mean, I could go camping if I wanted to, and I know people who do it. I also know people who hunt and stuff.
To think that people in the Star Wars galaxy DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS STUFF is dumb. Or, perhaps, and I didn't know it, Palpatine had Darth Vader kill eveyrone that knew how to hunt and track animals, or in some way made it impossible for people to camp in the wilderness, to use traps on animals, and the like.
Image Designers It probably would be possible to make DRASTIC changes to your appearence in Star Wars, but it would be MAD expensive, and we'd not be able to, say, grow 4 feet or whatever. So some of this stuff is a bit far fecthed, I admit.
But getting a haircut or a tan or dying your hair would be EASY. ANd it probably wouldn't be all that hard to reduce fat or gain muscle mass in some easy way.
Or are you gonna say that Darth Vader and the Emporer, like, oh, killed all the people able to give haircuts? Perhaps Vader got really mad and had the Empire shut down all the fitness centers so people wouldn't be able to work out and loose weight and gain muscle mass?
THE MAIN POINT HERE:
There is a difference between CONTRADICTING what we know and CREATIVELY INTRODUCING PROFESSIONS. Jedi contradict what we know, having Rangers, Bio-Enigineers, Image Designers, Fencers, Swordsman, and Pikemen in the game does not.
All of those break downs of the fabercated profession all have one thing in common, they are you assuming and speculating, there is no direct factual evidence to support Rangers, Creature Handlers, Bio-Engineers, Fencers, Swordsman, Image Designers at all. Show me a script and credit in a movie, something tangible, your just guessing and poorly at that.
Creatively introducing is still fabrication, and there are not thousands of Jedi, you don't know it, dont lie and make up numbers. Jedi are in Movie credits, they are in the movies clearly, not one of those professions are, all you can do is make arguments to support some extra in a movie as being a Pikeman, Ranger, etc.
And still you dont understand what BASED ON means. Not one person, not one peice of advertising or marketing on this game aludes to or states in fact that Timeline is strictly followed in any way other then the game is BASED ON the time between ANH and ESB, period. There is no justification in not having THE SINGLE MOST POPULAR character type in Star Wars in an MMORPG based on Star Wars, your srgument is petty, angry and not supported by any facts.
I got an idea, just go ahead, and grasp at more straws to form an argument. Lets sum your argument up.
"Im a jedi fanboi, I really cant listen to any logic even when given proof from the movies, and I will toss out anything, even factual evidence from the movies, as speculation"
now as others have said, here are the facts.
1. Yoda said that luke was the last jedi, in another scene he said there was another, he was talking about a hope to save the universe for the rebellion, not another jedi. And was refering to leia, even darth vader figured it out. When luke and darth were talking, luke refused to join him, then darth vader said "Well if you wont join me, then perhaps, your sister" and luke went "leia, NO!" Yoda doesnt say crap about another jedi, he was refering to a savior for the rebellion. I dont remember leia weilding a lightsaber nor having any force powers the entire film. Perhaps she was force sensitive yes, but a jedi she was not.
2. In return of the jedi, the first scene alone showed more gammorian swordsman with axes, fencers, pikemen, and entertainers then jedi in all three films. This should be proof enough that yoda wasnt lying about the jedi, they arnt there! After yoda dies, 2 jedi exist in the universe, darth vader, and luke.
That is the evidence, and the facts. Jedi dont belong in the universe, but I fully expect you to deny everything. You are good at that, maybe you should be a politician.
BlackEdge wrote:
Don't jedi's have their own starfighter (not in JTL atm). What if Jedi's who have ethe ability to use these can have special abilities, but also can get attacked by BH's who have a mark on them?
Nothing like watching a bh in a firespray and a jedi in a starfighter going head to head...
BH should also be able to get specific skills just in their box also.
as far as i know jedi will not get any bonuses in space. nor should they. they already have enough
Rikkialamay wrote:
Akieo wrote:
Rikkialamay wrote:
I hope there is something along the lines of "if jedi go into space with a BH mission on them they can be blasted to pieces by everyone in the immediate area"
yes i hate jedi...
you're just mad because you aren't one =)
I see where your coming from but i had the chance to be one, but i didnt take it because i feel they shouldnt be in this game.
I sold all 8 holos i had so now im rolling in it!
seriously i hate damn jedi!
My message is: You want to be a Jedi? GO PLAY KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC!
You wanna bet Oxuss?
Message Edited by Rikkialamay on 10-23-2004 04:44 PM
bejeavis wrote:
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I just tell the continuity radicals the same thing I tell environmental radicals
Your existence alone is against what you believe so if you are so strong in your beliefs then delete yourself !
Slarus wrote:
This is super dumb.
First of all, there is a differnce between clearly contradicting what we KNOW , say, allowing thousands of Jedi run around when we KNOW that only Luke and Yoda are alive during this time, and REASONING OUT professions that aren't clearly stated but are at least consistent with what we know.
Point by Point Application:
Pikeman: What? What were those guys on Jabba's skiff, and Lando, holding in their hands? They were PIKES of various kinds. Just like Jabba had a creature handler, he had all sorts of Pikemen.
Same goes for Swordsmen and Fencers. Swords existed. People in parts of the galaxy would have used them. I don't think they'd be as prevelent as they are in 'the real star wars universe', nor would the be as powerful (that's another rant) but there is nothing INCONSISTENT with what we know about them that would give us a reason to think they don't exist. Or you really willing to say that simply because the movies don't SHOW people with swords that there aren't any? SURELY there are planets whose technological development is not as advanced, who would use swords, etc. You'd be daft to think otherwise. Hence, there is nothing 'stoopid' about allowing them to be professions
Bio-Enigineers. Well, the technological levels in Star Wars are such that this isn't far fecthed at all. Even on Earth we are learning how to clone animals, and to enhance fruits and vegetables. we've even learned to make NEW fruits, like cross oranges and tangerines, and in Japan they even learned how to make square watermelons (don't believe me? look it up.)
It's not like Vader killed all the smart scientist types who know alot about genetics and cloning and stuff.
Rangers: Wow. Well, heck. Thisis dumb, too.Heck, we have a pretty good grasp of how to hunt animals and craft on Earth. I mean, I could go camping if I wanted to, and I know people who do it. I also know people who hunt and stuff.
To think that people in the Star Wars galaxy DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS STUFF is dumb. Or, perhaps, and I didn't know it, Palpatine had Darth Vader kill eveyrone that knew how to hunt and track animals, or in some way made it impossible for people to camp in the wilderness, to use traps on animals, and the like.
Image Designers It probably would be possible to make DRASTIC changes to your appearence in Star Wars, but it would be MAD expensive, and we'd not be able to, say, grow 4 feet or whatever. So some of this stuff is a bit far fecthed, I admit.
But getting a haircut or a tan or dying your hair would be EASY. ANd it probably wouldn't be all that hard to reduce fat or gain muscle mass in some easy way.
Or are you gonna say that Darth Vader and the Emporer, like, oh, killed all the people able to give haircuts? Perhaps Vader got really mad and had the Empire shut down all the fitness centers so people wouldn't be able to work out and loose weight and gain muscle mass?
THE MAIN POINT HERE:
There is a difference between CONTRADICTING what we know and CREATIVELY INTRODUCING PROFESSIONS. Jedi contradict what we know, having Rangers, Bio-Enigineers, Image Designers, Fencers, Swordsman, and Pikemen in the game does not.
All of those break downs of the fabercated profession all have one thing in common, they are you assuming and speculating, there is no direct factual evidence to support Rangers, Creature Handlers, Bio-Engineers, Fencers, Swordsman, Image Designers at all. Show me a script and credit in a movie, something tangible, your just guessing and poorly at that.
Creatively introducing is still fabrication, and there are not thousands of Jedi, you don't know it, dont lie and make up numbers. Jedi are in Movie credits, they are in the movies clearly, not one of those professions are, all you can do is make arguments to support some extra in a movie as being a Pikeman, Ranger, etc.
And still you dont understand what BASED ON means. Not one person, not one peice of advertising or marketing on this game aludes to or states in fact that Timeline is strictly followed in any way other then the game is BASED ON the time between ANH and ESB, period. There is no justification in not having THE SINGLE MOST POPULAR character type in Star Wars in an MMORPG based on Star Wars, your srgument is petty, angry and not supported by any facts.
Um. And there is no direct factual evidence in the movies that people used toilets. There is no direct factual evidence in the movie that people farted. There is no direct factual evidence that people built houses -- yet we have architects. OOOPS. Guess we got to get rid of them, too. There is no direct factual evidence what people bought food at grocery store type places. OOPS. Nobodycan buildguns I guess. I didn''t see any weaponsmith's in the credits. WAIT. I didn't see any Master Artisans. I didn't see anyone build space ships. DOH! Guess we can't have those profs either, on your principle.
No, no, no.
By 'creatively introduce', I basically am meaning that it's easy to put these professions in the game because they can be readily deduced from what we know.
See, there are things that we can deduce from what is "canon." We don't need "direct, factual" evidence. Just some brains.
For instance, we know there are moisture farmers are on Tatooine. Why not have them on other arid planets? OOOPS. NO direct factual evidence for that, got to throw that out. Or what about people milking animals to get that blue milk Aunt Beru served Luke? OOOPS. No direct factual evidence that came from an animal.
Good golly.
I"m a bit irked, yes, bz people like you seem to bend over backwards to try to justify having Jedi in the game yet dno't have enough brains to think it through why there can be Rangers and Pikemen in the game.
Just pause and reflect a bit. If it doesn't work, try it again. YOu'll get the hang of it.
OKAY - -- i suppose I should respond to this:
Slarus wrote:
Bio-engneers are in the movies, they were the genocians, Immage designers are nothing more the beauticians and if you doubt they would be in this time period then you should also doubt people would wear shoes. Fencers were in jabba's palace, the fat pig guys carried axes, that also accounts for swordsman, and I believe that the imperial private guard (the guys in red) carried pikes in the movies.
But no beautician can alter your physical attributes, make you stronger, quicker, etc. The Pigs carring axes are soliders. The Pikes carried by the Imperial guard, you positive they are pikes? are they weapons?are they cerimonial only? could they hide blasters? could they be for eating ice cream?
Could you be speculating? That one is a big YES
Right. It makes as much sense to say they were weapons as it does to say they were big ice cream spoons.
whatever.