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-Torque- wrote:

My full temp is

M Rifle, M BH, Carbines 4/0/4/0

Yes, I know I need some Medic skills. Actually the temp isn't too Bad though.

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mohtz1 wrote:

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JeruTheDamager wrote:

Cloak is the Jedi n00b equivalent to "/endduel" being a puss because you know you cant win, so you cop out.

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no i cloak because i am not paying sony 15 bucks a month to be your game content.. i am a master powers who likes to group pvp.. not solo pvp.. i play my main more than my jedi and i enjoy it.. but if a bh comes after me, i dont care what templete he is, if i dont want to pvp, then he gets the cloak..

now i dont stand there laughing at him. i just walk away.. to do anything else is childish and retarded..

if they move cloak to the master box, fine. let them do that, i hate that it is a skill anyone can grab with 0400.. master powers master box skills suck.. breach works sometimes, choke is nice but doesnt do enough damage to be worth the master box.. i play my jedi because i enjoy the crowd control he offeres in group pvp..

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MrGouda wrote:

I understand the cloak mentality. cloak and run is ok by me. root, cloak, run is ok too. However, what's good for the goose should be gander.

Cloak gives the jedi first strike once the BH TEF is initiated. I've been hit and run cloakers for what seemed like an hour (probably 20-30min though until I roll over and play dead (and then am dead)). I'd like to propose if the jedi cloaks, the BH/Jedi TEF is over for both sides and ball goes back into the BH's court to initiate combat or not.

Recently I began strolling to the shuttleport only to have the pesky jedi pull the uncloak/root-KD fight for awhile/cloak BS again and again. As I don't have all day to deal with that, nor the template to counter it offensively with crowd control (I'm MBH/MCM novice carbs) I should not have to lay down and die to get out of combat (if you want to call it combat). Further if I do, then I cannot come back and try again later as so many jedi suggest. The argued stance of come back later is BS. Against the tactic I've described, it's impossible. Sure if the Jedi isn't a cloak/wait for grief moment/uncloak/rinse repeat jedi you can continue to stalk and try further tactics later which I would welcome. Most of the full temp cloakers I encounter (note only 2 of 25+ jedi fights since pub 20 have been non full temps) do not play this annoying card -- kudos to them. However those that do, should not be allowed back in combat at some point. Maybe three strikes and it's over. If the Jedi cloaks 3 times then their offensive opportunity to uncloak and hit is over and the next cloak breaks the TEF.

If the BH/Jedi TEF were broken on cloak I think all this argueing back and forth would cease. Jedi have their tactic and aren't nerfed. BH would be allowed to find another opportunity that better suits them and arent' forced to play dead to get on with life and automatically have the mission removed.

Just a thought.

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Zutono wrote:

For the record...there ARE ways to break cloak. Have a friend stand next to where the jedi is. Use an imperial detonator, and the jedi will be KD'd and hurt. KD recovery is a combat action and breaks cloak.

Another option is use a commando weapon, (or other weapon with a radius effect, i.e. EE3) and perform a KD special on your friend. This KD's the cloaker, and gets him down.

Yet another option is get a fast pet (gurcatt if possible) that is level 10 or below, and engage a follow target as soon as you engage the jedi. A gurrcat with a high intelligence stat (BE'd of course) will follow the jedi and prevent cloak. (modified and better version of this is the MCH version where you (or a friend) use a Mature Reptilian Flier to follow the target...which can keep up with FR3 and does decent damage)

There are many ways to defeat cloak. (don't forget that dropping a turret works) Have fun with it...and realize that area attacks hit the jedi. That little tidbit works wonders.

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battledroid01 wrote:
Too Bad Obiwan didnt cloak and Run rinse repeat vs vader on deathstar.. oh wait.. this isnt SW

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Eskie wrote:

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-Torque- wrote:

This has been quite a problem lately for me, I get to my mark, they see me run and cloakthen they just follow me around for hrs. invisible. Heres my problem with it all, I'm Master Rifleman and I can cover, but when someone walks by me they uncover me, It's obvious that the jedi is right next to me and I want to shoot him. I can't target him, /tar doesen't work, you can't auto click him. this move is being exploited and it just is getting to rediculous, it needs to either break when someone gets nearby like cover or we should be able to target them. this ruins so many of my bountys. They can place houses while cloaked, drop them and walk inside.

Can this issue please be addressed Tanks?

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Your template is not suited to fight a cloaker. To be able to kill a cloaker you need serious crowd control to keep him within 20m of you and the ability to survive toe to toe with a cloaker - which isnt that hard because a cloaker is seriously lacking in either offense, defense or healing.
On another note, if he is following you around, breaking your cover over and over again you should first ask him to stop via tells and if he doesnt file a harassment report. Following around other players for extented periods of time is harassment, only exception is a BH stalking a Jedi.

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.....right

make a choice and go someplace else!?!

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weaponmaster88 wrote:

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HyprHypo wrote:
Thats funny, I invest every single skill point to my ranged professions and a Jedi can negate that with 1 skill

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1 skill that takes longer to get then your whole template does. and you didn't have to worry about all your work going down the drain every hour cause while you were trying to get the skill to hide from your hunters the hunters were killing you over and over and over. its just not fair to compare regular profession skills with jedi skills.

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Message Edited by HyprHypo on 08-08-2005 12:04 PM

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MrGouda wrote:

I understand the cloak mentality. cloak and run is ok by me. root, cloak, run is ok too. However, what's good for the goose should be gander.

If the BH/Jedi TEF were broken on cloak I think all this argueing back and forth would cease. Jedi have their tactic and aren't nerfed. BH would be allowed to find another opportunity that better suits them and arent' forced to play dead to get on with life and automatically have the mission removed.

Just a thought.

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I had a lot of trouble with cloaking jedi this past weekend, when a jedi cloaks, i don't stay in the area and usually end up dropping. if you don't then you open yourself up for a counter first strike. When the jedi uses cloak their force goes down, uaually they will be gone for abit , so take that time to leave the area or drop the mission.

it's a pain but nerfing (or changing ) is never good for anyone.

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HyprHypo wrote:
Thats funny, I invest every single skill point to my ranged professions and a Jedi can negate that with 1 skill

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Whaa whaa whaa. Sounds like a personal problem to me. Plenty of BH's kill Jedi every danged day.

Don't like it? Move on.