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-Torque- wrote:
Eskie wrote:
-Torque- wrote:
Eskie wrote:
-Torque- wrote:
Who says I'm asking it to be nerfed, I'm jsut saying it should have a way of being broken. Say your a bh hunting a mark out in the open and not in the city, he sees you and cloaks right away, you get to him and bam no way to target him.. yet you see him. It's NOT right.Message Edited by -Torque- on 08-08-2005 05:58 AM
You cannot see him. He is clouding your mind, making you believe he is not there. If he sees you approaching, try harder next time.
And you are asking for a nerf, because you want the skill changed in a way that puts the ones having said skill in a worse position than they are currently in. It can be broken if you are able to gather lots of people around the cloaked Jedi (whose location you get with your seeker droid).
Clouding my mind while talking trash "You can't kill me now, better luck next time I'm putting you in my pwn'd BH list because you had to give up.. " yeah that serves a purpouse.But how about this then MBH Mask. a MBH can mask himself from his marks while walking (like Mask Scent) no Jedi can see him until he makes the first move, but then of course you jedi will complain about BH's having too much content.
If a Jedi says that I would make it a point to not drop the mission - you dont have to drop the mission, it is a choice you can make. If you continue stalking him he will either log out or de-cloak to fight you. In either case, he doesnt get anything else done.
You already have pretty good tools to keep a Jedi from focussing on you, if you dont use them its your fault.
My last mission I approached a group hunting Krayts. I pull my T21 as I see my mark jumping on his BARC (Which he probably ripped a noob off for) I blow his BARC up and he force runs, so I burst after him, I charge shot him he falls, I head shot him. he gets up Roots me then runs off while I see +Cloak+ go up.
I have no problem with that, he's saving his tail.
The mission before that the jedi went invisible right off the bat and just sat there yelling obscenties. Dropped a house and walked inside. Came outside and ran circles around me while using force techniques (force heal, lightsaber ignite, channel) If we can see him exposing himself like that though we should be able to target him, thats all I'm stating.
You cannot see if a Jedi is using Channel Force, and as far as I know a Lightsaber only ignites if the Jedi starts a combat and attacks. Any offensive move breaks cloak.
If he is yelling obscenities report him. This has nothing to do with the skill at all - a Master Defender / Healer 4xxx could also be yelling obscenities if you dont have a high-damage weapon because you cant scratch him.
I could see the outline of him channeling (Or maybe its regenerating). The lightsaber you cannot see but you can hear it buzzing and you can somewhat see the glow of the color.
Eskie wrote:
-Torque- wrote:
Eskie wrote:
-Torque- wrote:
Eskie wrote:
-Torque- wrote:
Who says I'm asking it to be nerfed, I'm jsut saying it should have a way of being broken. Say your a bh hunting a mark out in the open and not in the city, he sees you and cloaks right away, you get to him and bam no way to target him.. yet you see him. It's NOT right.
Message Edited by -Torque- on 08-08-2005 05:58 AM
You cannot see him. He is clouding your mind, making you believe he is not there. If he sees you approaching, try harder next time.
And you are asking for a nerf, because you want the skill changed in a way that puts the ones having said skill in a worse position than they are currently in. It can be broken if you are able to gather lots of people around the cloaked Jedi (whose location you get with your seeker droid).
Clouding my mind while talking trash "You can't kill me now, better luck next time I'm putting you in my pwn'd BH list because you had to give up.. " yeah that serves a purpouse.
But how about this then MBH Mask. a MBH can mask himself from his marks while walking (like Mask Scent) no Jedi can see him until he makes the first move, but then of course you jedi will complain about BH's having too much content.
If a Jedi says that I would make it a point to not drop the mission - you dont have to drop the mission, it is a choice you can make. If you continue stalking him he will either log out or de-cloak to fight you. In either case, he doesnt get anything else done.
You already have pretty good tools to keep a Jedi from focussing on you, if you dont use them its your fault.
My last mission I approached a group hunting Krayts. I pull my T21 as I see my mark jumping on his BARC (Which he probably ripped a noob off for) I blow his BARC up and he force runs, so I burst after him, I charge shot him he falls, I head shot him. he gets up Roots me then runs off while I see +Cloak+ go up.
I have no problem with that, he's saving his tail.
The mission before that the jedi went invisible right off the bat and just sat there yelling obscenties. Dropped a house and walked inside. Came outside and ran circles around me while using force techniques (force heal, lightsaber ignite, channel) If we can see him exposing himself like that though we should be able to target him, thats all I'm stating.
You cannot see if a Jedi is using Channel Force, and as far as I know a Lightsaber only ignites if the Jedi starts a combat and attacks. Any offensive move breaks cloak.
If he is yelling obscenities report him. This has nothing to do with the skill at all - a Master Defender / Healer 4xxx could also be yelling obscenities if you dont have a high-damage weapon because you cant scratch him.
Chewie49 is a scared little Jedi newb coming here whining about us hunting his kind. Hes an idiot. And Cloak should have shorter duration and 3 time s the force cost.
And yes it should be able to be broken if you get too close, and impossible to do once combat has started.
They nerfed our BH mission terminals and droids, they should damn well nerf cloak. Nobody cares how many hours you spent grinding Jedi, get a life, and NOBODY TWISTED ***YOUR*** ARM to grind for months. As it is, your seeker droid can still track a cloaked JEDI , and so can your Bomb droid, if you order it to follow him before he cloaks. Cloak is the Jedi n00b equivalent to "/endduel" being a puss because you know you cant win, so you cop out.
HyprHypo wrote:
Thats funny, I invest every single skill point to my ranged professions and a Jedi can negate that with 1 skill
1 skill that takes longer to get then your whole template does. and you didn't have to worry about all your work going down the drain every hour cause while you were trying to get the skill to hide from your hunters the hunters were killing you over and over and over. its just not fair to compare regular profession skillswith jedi skills.
For the record...there ARE ways to break cloak. Have a friend stand next to where the jedi is. Use an imperial detonator, and the jedi will be KD'd and hurt. KD recovery is a combat action and breaks cloak.
Another option is use a commando weapon, (or other weapon with a radius effect, i.e. EE3) and perform a KD special on your friend. This KD's the cloaker, and gets him down.
Yet another option is get a fast pet (gurcatt if possible) that is level 10 or below, and engage a follow target as soon as you engage the jedi. A gurrcat with a high intelligence stat (BE'd of course) will follow the jedi and prevent cloak. (modified and better version of this is the MCH version where you (or a friend)use a Mature Reptilian Flier to follow the target...which can keep up with FR3 and does decent damage)
There are many ways to defeat cloak. (don't forget that droppinga turret works) Have fun with it...and realize that area attacks hit the jedi. That little tidbit works wonders.
MaitaXibo wrote:
Cloak gives the jedi first strike once the BH TEF is initiated. I've been hit and run cloakers for what seemed like an hour (probably 20-30min though until I roll over and play dead (and then am dead)). I'd like to propose if the jedi cloaks, the BH/Jedi TEF is over for both sides and ball goes back into the BH's court to initiate combat or not.
This would be a great fix. Just reset the tef once he cloaks, like an endduel move. Should not be that hard to code. Feign death does it now for NPCs so make cloak the same way.
Sorry, but cloak is meant for hit-and-run attacks. It is possible to keep Jedi from cloaking, it is possible to bring Jedi out of cloak by draining their Force, there is no need to nerf Force Cloak in any way. If a BH cannot keep a Jedi from cloaking in the first attempt, leave the area and come back later.
If a Jedi tries to keep the BH TEF active by de-cloaking, attacking and re-cloaking just go into a place with lots of NPCs or players - creature lairs or starports come to mind. He wont follow you anymore or he is risking dropping out of cloak with no Force and health left, making him an easy target.
Learn your skills and some tactics before asking for nerfs because you are unable to see counters to skills that annoy you.
MaitaXibo wrote:
The mission before that the jedi went invisible right off the bat and just sat there yelling obscenties. Dropped a house and walked inside. Came outside and ran circles around me while using force techniques (force heal, lightsaber ignite, channel) If we can see him exposing himself like that though we should be able to target him, thats all I'm stating.
Simple solution, /harassment. End of arguement, and do the BH community a favor, do not give him the satisfaction of replying, just do the harassment report and sit there and smile when the CSR bans him.
-Torque- wrote:
This has been quite a problem lately for me, I get to my mark, they see me run and cloakthen they just follow me around for hrs. invisible. Heres my problem with it all, I'm Master Rifleman and I can cover, but when someone walks by me they uncover me, It's obvious that the jedi is right next to me and I want to shoot him. I can't target him, /tar doesen't work, you can't auto click him. this move is being exploited and it just is getting to rediculous, it needs to either break when someone gets nearby like cover or we should be able to target them. this ruins so many of my bountys. They can place houses while cloaked, drop them and walk inside.
Can this issue please be addressed Tanks?
- Cover is using camoflage and terrain to conceal you. Someone standing on top of you obviously will break your cover, since within a certain distance you no longer look like an inconspicuous pile of leaves (or whatever).
- Cloak is using the Force to cloud the minds of surrounding animals andpeople (and vehicles, go figure
). You can't break cloak simply by standing close, by shooting wildly, or by much anything else. - Using cloak drains the Jedi of force, and the more MOBs and players around, the faster it drains. If it upsets you to the point of obsession, simply keep sending out droids and track the Jedi down. Either he'll eventually have to uncloak, one way or another, or logout. In which case the only thing you've lost is time, and the Jedi loses game play (and XP, if he's a grinder).
- Using the /target command to "see" a cloaked Jedi was a bug, and has been fixed.
Instead of whing to have cloak nerfed or re-bugged, why not ask the devs for the ability (gained through food or drink, an SEA, or something) that gives you a chance to keep your mind from being "clouded by the Force?" Maybe a "Force Resistance" skill for MBH's, to go along with being able to take Jedi bounties? Just a random idea. 
Chances are the Jedi you were after was a low level and didn't stand a chance or else he would of attacked. So I don't blame him/her for a no win execution, only an idiot would volunteer for that.
Whatever method you use, just don't exploit the system. I am one of the few Jedi who doesn't use exploits or grind afk or any other low stunts that give Jedi a bad name.
What stinks is there are still numerous bugs with the visibility system that puts a Jedi on the terminals. Group grinding isn't safe like they claim, it has several flaws in it and objects giving viz that shouldn't. So you still get very weak padawans (thanks SOE for making them so weak and nerfing out LS so it's weaker than other professional weapons in game) that cannot even kill a sevort or dunni without getting incapped.