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Thread: Where in the movies did it say that TIE's can't have hyperdrives or shields?
TozierX
Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:02 am
#53
Why call it off when the whole thing was just about to become civilized?
Krawid
Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:17 am
#54
I've read a good number of the novels that comprise the SW universe. In fact the latest series, New Jedi Order is excellent. Finishing the last book now. Anyway, onto topic at hand.
When Eps 4-6 came out it was the 70's so the Gulf War thing was NOT in Lucas' mind. More like the the Cold War. The Empire was basically the Soviet Union and the Rebels were the West. now this is in tactics. The USSR had MILLIONS more tanks, troops, planes, guns, etc compared to the West. They weren't comparable and one on one the USSR would lose. But their doctrine was quantity not quality. If your enemy has to kill 5 of your tanks for everyone he loses, you're are going to win eventualy win due to attrition.
Now onto SW. The Empire built thousands of TIE/In (basic TIE). From the books we know they have no shields and no HD's and no life support. We know for a fact they had no life support since we see Rebels in their fighers with no mask on but TIE pilots were fully covered. Yes you could argue it was part of the whole anomonity (sp?) of the Empire. You were just a number and not a name. They were meant to be carried by ISD and carriers into battle and overwhelm the Rebel forces. If you have to kill 10 of my fighters to win this battle you will lose. I don't care how good you are. With 10 TIE's on your tail, you're toast. Imperial troops were basically expendable. Stormtroopers overwhelmed you with fire and so did TIE fighters. So having no shields and HD's meant they were fast and manoeuvrable. Progressive upgrades led to the TIE Interceptor (different wings and newer engines) were faster and even more manoeuvrable. Built to combat the Alliance's A-wing which was blistering fast but had minimal weapons and shields. Darth Vader's TIE fighter was experimental and lead to the TIE Advanced. Reading the books you see that the Empire was losing by now and they couldn't afford to lose good pilots anymore. So they started equipping their fighters with shields and HD's. Alluding to the fact the RA's tactics of shields and HD's on their fighters was a good idea. TIE Defenders came after but were way too expensive for the Empire and never went into full production. It was superior to any fighter the Alliance had. It was faster than an A-wing; shields were tougher than a Y-Wing and it was armed to the teeth (4 laser cannons, 2 ion cannons and 2 missile launchers capable of firing concussion missiles and/or proton torpedoes.)
Now onto SWG. In a game such as SWG, it's impossible to follow canon to the T. I don't understand why people get so hung up on continuity. By having Jedi running around it's breaking the canon of the movies anyway. I know they said it at sometime during the movie that Vader wiped out the Jedi. Yes a few slipped through his fingers (Yoda, Obi-Wan) but you can't tell me he let allowed all the Jedi we have in SWG to slip through. The Emperor and Vader were basically what comprised the Jedi. If you were detected to have force abilities you were dead. So everyone needs to quit worrying about 'total' continuity and remember one thing. It's a game. If were followed SW to the T then there would be no Jedi at all, at least not as many was we seen nowadays and certainly not running around with lightsabers out and Jedi titles above their heads advertising to everyone. And being an Imperial means you wouldn't have TIE's with shields or HD's but you have a big ass ISD around to kick some Rebel butt. If that were the case every rebel in this game would either defect, quit or whine inssently (sp?) about how the Imperials are too tough. Then the nerf bat would come out.
So enjoy SWG for what it is. A game. I'm sure they try to follow the canon as best they can but when it comes down to it, to make the game more enjoyable, they have to bend some rules once in a while.
When Eps 4-6 came out it was the 70's so the Gulf War thing was NOT in Lucas' mind. More like the the Cold War. The Empire was basically the Soviet Union and the Rebels were the West. now this is in tactics. The USSR had MILLIONS more tanks, troops, planes, guns, etc compared to the West. They weren't comparable and one on one the USSR would lose. But their doctrine was quantity not quality. If your enemy has to kill 5 of your tanks for everyone he loses, you're are going to win eventualy win due to attrition.
Now onto SW. The Empire built thousands of TIE/In (basic TIE). From the books we know they have no shields and no HD's and no life support. We know for a fact they had no life support since we see Rebels in their fighers with no mask on but TIE pilots were fully covered. Yes you could argue it was part of the whole anomonity (sp?) of the Empire. You were just a number and not a name. They were meant to be carried by ISD and carriers into battle and overwhelm the Rebel forces. If you have to kill 10 of my fighters to win this battle you will lose. I don't care how good you are. With 10 TIE's on your tail, you're toast. Imperial troops were basically expendable. Stormtroopers overwhelmed you with fire and so did TIE fighters. So having no shields and HD's meant they were fast and manoeuvrable. Progressive upgrades led to the TIE Interceptor (different wings and newer engines) were faster and even more manoeuvrable. Built to combat the Alliance's A-wing which was blistering fast but had minimal weapons and shields. Darth Vader's TIE fighter was experimental and lead to the TIE Advanced. Reading the books you see that the Empire was losing by now and they couldn't afford to lose good pilots anymore. So they started equipping their fighters with shields and HD's. Alluding to the fact the RA's tactics of shields and HD's on their fighters was a good idea. TIE Defenders came after but were way too expensive for the Empire and never went into full production. It was superior to any fighter the Alliance had. It was faster than an A-wing; shields were tougher than a Y-Wing and it was armed to the teeth (4 laser cannons, 2 ion cannons and 2 missile launchers capable of firing concussion missiles and/or proton torpedoes.)
Now onto SWG. In a game such as SWG, it's impossible to follow canon to the T. I don't understand why people get so hung up on continuity. By having Jedi running around it's breaking the canon of the movies anyway. I know they said it at sometime during the movie that Vader wiped out the Jedi. Yes a few slipped through his fingers (Yoda, Obi-Wan) but you can't tell me he let allowed all the Jedi we have in SWG to slip through. The Emperor and Vader were basically what comprised the Jedi. If you were detected to have force abilities you were dead. So everyone needs to quit worrying about 'total' continuity and remember one thing. It's a game. If were followed SW to the T then there would be no Jedi at all, at least not as many was we seen nowadays and certainly not running around with lightsabers out and Jedi titles above their heads advertising to everyone. And being an Imperial means you wouldn't have TIE's with shields or HD's but you have a big ass ISD around to kick some Rebel butt. If that were the case every rebel in this game would either defect, quit or whine inssently (sp?) about how the Imperials are too tough. Then the nerf bat would come out.
So enjoy SWG for what it is. A game. I'm sure they try to follow the canon as best they can but when it comes down to it, to make the game more enjoyable, they have to bend some rules once in a while.
Hardburn
Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:45 am
#55
Why would something designed to be a short range fighter....have the capability to have hyperdrives?
Why would an operating system designed for single user, single-tasking computers w/less than 640k of RAM have the capability to support a multi-tasking GUI with gobs of RAM. Sure, the result may not be pretty, but it'll work, sort of.
In other words, a TIE Fighter can get a hyperdrive, but it may lose performance because of it.
Why would an operating system designed for single user, single-tasking computers w/less than 640k of RAM have the capability to support a multi-tasking GUI with gobs of RAM. Sure, the result may not be pretty, but it'll work, sort of.
In other words, a TIE Fighter can get a hyperdrive, but it may lose performance because of it.
Rodja_Mez
Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:33 pm
#56
tie were given limatations because the empire did not want to make it easy to desert , read empire vol.2
Troutspleen
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:55 am
#57
That tie was small, does that mean the rest have to be too?...
Anyway, so many things about star wars in galaxies have changed what difference does giving a tie a superlaser make... let alone a hyperdrive or shields.
Xtopherxaos
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:18 am
#58
My problem with canon logic is this:
Jedi Star Fighter: Pee Wee craft, Life Support (Obi wasn't in a flight suit and helm), Shields, BUT needed a booster unit for Hyper travel.
TIE Fighter: 20+ years later, Pee Wee craft, No Life Support, No shields, no Booster.
Ok, it is established that the Empire wanted many craft built on the cheap (thus sans LS, Shields, & Hyper). But why on earth would the Republic build craft with out Hyper engines for their vaunted defenders (it's not like they were expendable TIE pilots)? A booster? What the? So, suck up canon and accept that star ship design (most deffinately in the new series) mostly comes from an artist's imagination ("Man, wouldn't it be cool to make a two part ship that leaves part of itself in orbit?...")
In SWG, no one is really a stormtrooper (or TIE pilot)...you don't use cut-rate equipment, you wear the armor 'cause you want to (and in PVP you will switch to uber-composite), and you don't get taken out by one shot from a fugitive princess...no where in the movies do you see a trooper gnosh a steak & liten to a song, thengo into a Popeye fit and start bagging Krayts. So, don't worry about TIEnotions from the movies or books, nothing else in this game is exactly canon per-se
metalmolder
Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:10 pm
#59
In the EU there was a TIE Interceptor that had hyperdrive and shields, they said it was used for an officer. Altough it was slower and less manuverable... so depends on if you want safetly... or not... igues.
BisonJelly
Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:05 am
#60
There has to be Rednecks in Star Wars. And thoseRednecks wouldbe genectically inlined to 'soupup' their Tie-fighter by adding a hyperdrive to it. Of course they would also have elaborate gunracks and the little kid peeing on an X-wing bumper stickers.
yahweh666
Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:23 am
#61
BisonJelly wrote:There has to be Rednecks in Star Wars. And those Rednecks would be genectically inlined to 'soup up' their Tie-fighter by adding a hyperdrive to it. Of course they would also have elaborate gunracks and the little kid peeing on an X-wing bumper stickers.
Then again I am from the south so I see it different myself.
I see a xwing flying by with stupid looking splash graphics on the side, a very large pointless wing on the back, and glowing neon lights on the bottem. And TIE's want need many hits to take it out, the constant loud bass would have already rattled most of the ship apart
TulasiKid
Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:23 am
#62
TozierX wrote:
Its not a matter of caring. Then why must we continue to exhaust space on these boards over this? Who are you to judge those who like to have acivilized argument over a trivial thing like spacecraft capabilites.Who are you to suggest my post is uncivilized? Unlike you, I didn't flame any single poster or suggest that they had no right to post.Some of us like to do it just to pass the time. If you dont like the thread dont bother reading it. How will I know I don't like a thread until I read it? If you respond to the thread the way you did why did you even bother reading it. Who are you to judge those who like to have a civilized argument over a trivial thing like spacecraft capabilities? Out of curiosity how old are you?Out of curiosity, howold are you, punk? I've lived throughthe administrations of eight presidents. I'm not a kid, but I'll wager I'm not the oldest person on these boards either. I'll also wager I'm older than you. Is "Kid" appropiate? Or appropriate. I think so.
TulasiKid wrote:
Look, let's just assume for the purposes of argument that in fact, because of the "short-range fighter" quote from ANH, that hyperdrives do not come standard on Ties.
WHO FRICKIN' CARES!?!
Tulasi Kid
bejeavis
Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:26 am
#63
in this case they have to break continuity, or us imps will be stranded
that doesnt sounds like an advantage to me