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G3N0C1DE
Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:16 pm
#40
I know whenever I'm up against a BH i always use a dizzy/pd... Flurry1/2 w/ a surpression fire. As for you PvPing w/out master... WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?? 
naw, you shouldn't be too mad at yourself because those BH/Carbineer dabblers always own in 1 on 1 combat and on top of that ur not a master yet 
Just keep grinding till you get that master level and you'll have much, much more fun PvPing
Airius Mysterio - Chilastra
DarthTomm
Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:13 am
#41
Thanks guys.. yah I know I should just master. But I am not much of a grinder.. now that I have my answer tho, I will just go ahead and grind the last couple boxes.
As for pvping without master.. well, when your town gets attacked you don't say, darn I'm not master, I better sit this one out 
I'll just make sure to grind it now.
Thraxx_Deathdealer
Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:05 am
#42
Yeah you should really do the grind to Master Rifleman the work is ALL worth it. I think we have one broken skill all other works and let me you what you will own! I have been master rifleman for a while, I used to just spam hs3 with a jawa, no more. I just made some macros that let me pump Flushing Shot 2 + Flurry Shot 2 right after I use my Carbine for KD...hehe all can say is ouch I kinda feel sorry for the poor guys that eat it from me. Strafe Shot 2 also owns, like cuting down weeds when they rush you! So still with it, do the grind the pay off is HUGE! 
Jii_Ne_Geuse
Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:05 pm
#43
Even Volley Fire works? I was under the impression that it didn't.
And if it does work, is it only the default attack of the group or is it a timing thing where if they all select a shot that hits the mind, the volleyfire will apply to that mind targeting special given it's been timed propery.
Ji-Ne
And if it does work, is it only the default attack of the group or is it a timing thing where if they all select a shot that hits the mind, the volleyfire will apply to that mind targeting special given it's been timed propery.
Ji-Ne
Yeraze
Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:50 pm
#44
I believe it's just the regular attack.
So basically, it *does* work, but it's worthless. In very chaotic PvP I use it to scare doctors away
Every time you see a doc run up to rez or drag a body on the field, start queueing /volleyFire's at him and watch him run away. It's never enough damage to kill him, but it sure does scare him good
So basically, it *does* work, but it's worthless. In very chaotic PvP I use it to scare doctors away
Every time you see a doc run up to rez or drag a body on the field, start queueing /volleyFire's at him and watch him run away. It's never enough damage to kill him, but it sure does scare him good
DarthTomm
Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:58 pm
#45
ok I made master now.. and I still got owned by a master BH. That ranged KD is annoying. Is there anything I can do to stop it..I tried to go prone this time and still got KDed.. how is that possible! I am already on the ground andI can be knocked down??? If this is really supposed to happen we should work to change it. Going prone is what we are supposed to do.
Better yet, he dizzy blind and stunned in the same shot. Is this possible?? Is there a move that I am unaware of that does all three? I talked to my bh friend and he didn't think you could do it in one hit. If so, that means he is breaking the 1 sec cap that I thought was unbreakable.
Well, all in all I love master for pve, I own everything in like 3 hits.. but he got be fast everytime that BH, KD dizzyBlindStun in like 1 sec, then I am dead cause I can't get up. Why didn't we get a KD???
vonroon
Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:43 am
#46
Well that BH was also a carbineer (cripple shot skill ) that gives him some awsome speed and accuracy bonuses. And actually the cripple shot can deal up to 5k damage in PvE .
Was a Master carbineer BH in an earlier life .
Junsa
Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:26 pm
#47
yeah definatly master bh/carb template.
one of my guildies used to have the exact same template, did a macro that gave him stun, dizzy, kd, blind, was fenominal against higher end mob.
one of my guildies used to have the exact same template, did a macro that gave him stun, dizzy, kd, blind, was fenominal against higher end mob.
esspecially that carb kd, this was b4 the timer had been put on it too lol.
nightsister elder????? canyon krayt???? pah - like chuba bashing with one of those templates at ur side.
nightsister elder????? canyon krayt???? pah - like chuba bashing with one of those templates at ur side.
Geddeo
Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:39 pm
#48
Master BH does have a shot that will stun dizzy and blind you in one shot with a carbine. If they hit you with this first then followed up with a charge shot they wouldn't miss. The stun takes your range defence down enough to where every shot he shoots will hit you, the dizzy makes it so you can't get back up and the blind is just in there on the off chance you get up on your first try .
Carbines do almost as much dmg as rifles in combat. My best friend is a carbine BH and his laser carbine hits between 1k and 4k on creatures while I do 1.5 to 5.5k with my T21. The bonus comes in when they knock down and get to do 2x dmg (I thought it was 3x, but I could be wrong). A crippling shot can almost compare to a SS2 if it was shot with a Kryat Laser Carbine. Bh Carbiners can be very deadly in a 1v1 fight, but since they have little defence, a master rifleman can take them down, and do quite often. If you think 900dmg is bad, I had a commando flame me for 2568dmg the other day after his TKM friend knocked me down. Lesson to the story? Don't get knocked down.
Riflemen and women are notorious for falling down when shot in the Galactic Civil War. The key is to either eat food that helps you keep your balance, or take skills from other professions like TKA, fencer, or pistoleer that protect you from knockdown. Fortunatly we have plenty of extra skills available to do just that.
My favorite tactic is being a coward. I tend to equip my e-11 at the start of combat, holding a T21 tells everybody you are a rifleman and should be killed as quick as possible. Using an e-11 you look like anybody else and are ignored. Use the e-11 to help your team by stunning with Flushing2 to make targets easier to hit, or dizzying them with Flurry2 so your friends can knock them down. Once the battle gets going the TKM and commando's will draw the attention leaving you free to pick out that opposing commando without a helmet and take his head off with your T21. Either that or find the heavily armored foe and jawa her to death. At non master rifleman you are only going to be worth a damn if the opposing team doesn't notice you and gives you the time to be effective. Blend into the group and try to help out where you can.
. Carbines do almost as much dmg as rifles in combat. My best friend is a carbine BH and his laser carbine hits between 1k and 4k on creatures while I do 1.5 to 5.5k with my T21. The bonus comes in when they knock down and get to do 2x dmg (I thought it was 3x, but I could be wrong). A crippling shot can almost compare to a SS2 if it was shot with a Kryat Laser Carbine. Bh Carbiners can be very deadly in a 1v1 fight, but since they have little defence, a master rifleman can take them down, and do quite often. If you think 900dmg is bad, I had a commando flame me for 2568dmg the other day after his TKM friend knocked me down. Lesson to the story? Don't get knocked down.
Riflemen and women are notorious for falling down when shot in the Galactic Civil War. The key is to either eat food that helps you keep your balance, or take skills from other professions like TKA, fencer, or pistoleer that protect you from knockdown. Fortunatly we have plenty of extra skills available to do just that.
My favorite tactic is being a coward
. I tend to equip my e-11 at the start of combat, holding a T21 tells everybody you are a rifleman and should be killed as quick as possible. Using an e-11 you look like anybody else and are ignored. Use the e-11 to help your team by stunning with Flushing2 to make targets easier to hit, or dizzying them with Flurry2 so your friends can knock them down. Once the battle gets going the TKM and commando's will draw the attention leaving you free to pick out that opposing commando without a helmet and take his head off with your T21. Either that or find the heavily armored foe and jawa her to death. At non master rifleman you are only going to be worth a damn if the opposing team doesn't notice you and gives you the time to be effective. Blend into the group and try to help out where you can.
cincoalto
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:13 am
#49
Yes BH's can shoot that fast easily, and if so inclined Riflemen can also, just wait till you get master and i m assuming this is your first combat prof and prob will get special ablilities 4last.his means your speed buffs will nearly double when u get that skill and master. And lil Hint Stay FAR away as possible, not one else is close to accurate as we are at 50m+ and our very high rng defense helps. And since you were in a city a little mind bleed and run tactics always works well, especially with a CM andtheir mind poisons. You will also need to get buffed in the future for serious pvp and have lots of brandy icream and muon and stimsGood luck!
Good luck!
Morik
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:52 am
#50
if he did 900, get your ass some armor first off. that would mean you have no mitigation (so level up first!) and no armor, as the pvp base is 1k with a very nice carbine.. also, when you have some mitigation and armor, just stand up and spam your best shot (pref. mind shot) and i (or the other bh) will die very easily.
Morik
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:53 am
#51
*edit* oh ya, and nobody kills a master rifleman, so just get master and youll be unstoppable with a tad bit of food. that is till they change speed cap to 5.0 for all rifles and specials
DarthTomm
Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:19 am
#52
Ok great I am hearing alot of good info here, but I have to update. Thesecond fight I was talking about, was a different fight, and Iwas master with mitigation 3.. and got friggin owned. Now I am not pissed I got owned, because A) I R NEWB and B) It's just gonna happen sometimes no matter how goodI get.
But, I am wearing armor in combat, I have a composite helmet and chestplate with 70% protection. I down muon, fishak and I have TKA 2111. I migrated most of my stats to Mind so when I do powerboost, which I have to do religiously, my stats are 1050 health 1050 action 1650 mind. Add muon and fishak and its 2650, though I rarely do this. I generally use fishak during muon downers.
Iwasn't buffed at the time, and he was, but I was headshotting him to no effect. Ok, I realise now, that I should have switched to my jawa ion. I totally brain farted and tried to use my t21 cause I was feeling pretty buff at the time. Mowin down troopers like weeds in kadaara. The guy was in full composite and I will have to start paying attention to that stuff.
But what can I do about the KD? Because that is what has killed me twice vs BHs. Someone said food? What food is this? I have TKA now but I am stuck holochefing it for a few days, so I can't go any higher without recinding later.
Here are stats before PB, muon and fishak.
500
500
400
500
500
400
1100
1000
500
Thanks guys!