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urmaker
Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:59 pm
#27

i have a couple of questions about pvp. i saw a duel ih the bestine starport this one guy everytime he shot he knocked the other guy flat on his back as soon as he would stand up he'd get knocked back down. my question is what attack is this? also i was wandering if in pvp if theres a weapon that seems to produce alot more status effects more so than most weapons anyway? thein game guide and the manual i have learned are useless, i thank the forum ppl. for the real help and advice.so thanks in advance



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Gavinik
Sat Feb 07, 2004 5:57 pm
#28

The KD you saw was probably a Carbineer spamming charge shot.


The other question....I'm kinda....bamboozled...


Do you mean...Is there a type of weapon that is more effective at state attacks? ...or... Is there a profession that offers more state attacks/better state attacks?





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JediKnightRyan2
Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:39 pm
#29

There is no delay on charge shot.



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donnysabertooth
Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:54 am
#30






WookieRebel wrote:
no. it was probably a kd with dizzy. there is a delay on regular kd






moron



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Rebabb
Sun Feb 08, 2004 3:06 am
#31

Hi

while being knockdown being dizzy you get a funny looking animation if you try to stand up.

I believe in duell you dont want to wait peacefully that the dizzyness wears off and try to stand up, falling down, trying to stand up, falling down etc. To my knowleadge there is no special move to produce the effect you saw in the duell.


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Destination
Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:16 am
#32



JediKnightRyan2 wrote:
There is no delay on charge shot.







JediKnightRyan2 wrote:
There is no delay on charge shot.







JediKnightRyan2 wrote:
There is no delay on charge shot.







JediKnightRyan2 wrote:
There is no delay on charge shot.






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Ismaril
Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:16 am
#33






donnysabertooth wrote:





WookieRebel wrote:
no. it was probably a kd with dizzy. there is a delay on regular kd






moron





I agree completely with WookieRebel, there is a delay on KD, you can use the KD attackas many times as you wish, but it won't affect anyone or anything within the delay time. The dizzy is the effect of the guy standing and immediately falling down again. Dizzy is just a chance of being KD'd whenever you do a posture change such as standing up. The moron is the one who posted a flame with absolutely no information and probably less knowledge.



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Destination
Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:20 am
#34

Holy **edit** people, read the entire thread and/or do not comment if you don't know the facts.



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Windfeather
Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:46 pm
#35

Hi, folks --


I'm curious. Do all Squad Leader skills work in PvP, or are there exceptions?


Cheers - thanks for any responce.


WF
DarthTomm
Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:50 pm
#36




Hi I was helping defend my city today when a BH DBed me like 3 times in a row..

I was reading the combat spam to try and figure out what I did wrong.. well.. I am not ranting, I just want to learn.


Here is what happend.. in a matter of 3 seconds he did fire knockdown for 300then crippling shot for 491, crippling shot for 912. I was incapped after that and then he DBed..


ok so my questions are.


1. I thought that you couldn't do styles faster than 2 seconds.. can you?

2. Is crippling shot that buff? he was doing 900 dmg to me with it, I was knocked down at the time so there is a double damage rule, butI was under the impression that dmg was reduced by 75% in pvp. So he was doing 3600 dmg - 75%, is this wrong? If this is correct then he was doing as much as my t21 does with a 33% max dmg power up on it and headshot 3. In pve i regularly do1500 with headshot 3, times 2 for kd and it is only 3000. But against himI did a measly 160 dmg.


So if I hadn't been knockdown he would have done (1800 dmg - 75%)x2 = (1800 - 1350)x2= 450 .

If this is true, then headshot 3 should work the same. (1500 - 75%) = (1500 - 1125) = 375

Even if I had a knockdown, which I don't. I would still do less damage than him with a T21! O.o Am I wrong here??


I proceeded to do some testing with a friend of mine later.


Using headshot 3 and a t21 max dmg 420, no PU,I averaged around 330 points of dmg on 10 or so shots, with or without a helmet on him. He took out a kaduu, and Idid 1500 dmg in 1 shot, he took out a gurreck, with 40% energy resist, and I did 1380. This is all taken from the numbers in the combat spam only. So my math seems to be right.. I thought we were supposed to be the heavy damage dealer?


This is saying that a BH who can fire 2 times as fast as me at master, which I am not, and can do the same dmg or more??



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PsychoticChipmunk
Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:54 pm
#37

The speed cap is 1 second and we hit it with roughly every special when you master marksman as well, unless your T-21 is really slow then it is about 1.2 or 1.3 seconds per. As for the math and that I don't really know specifics on other attacks or what gets multiplied and all that stuff so sorry I'm sure someone else will come along soon.


Also...what where you thinking trying to kill someone below master? Tsk tsk




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OneHung
Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:02 pm
#38






DarthTomm wrote:




Hi I was helping defend my city today when a BH DBed me like 3 times in a row..

I was reading the combat spam to try and figure out what I did wrong.. well.. I am not ranting, I just want to learn.


Here is what happend.. in a matter of 3 seconds he did fire knockdown for 300then crippling shot for 491, crippling shot for 912. I was incapped after that and then he DBed..


ok so my questions are.


1. I thought that you couldn't do styles faster than 2 seconds.. can you?

2. Is crippling shot that buff? he was doing 900 dmg to me with it, I was knocked down at the time so there is a double damage rule, butI was under the impression that dmg was reduced by 75% in pvp. So he was doing 3600 dmg - 75%, is this wrong? If this is correct then he was doing as much as my t21 does with a 33% max dmg power up on it and headshot 3. In pve i regularly do1500 with headshot 3, times 2 for kd and it is only 3000. But against himI did a measly 160 dmg.


So if I hadn't been knockdown he would have done (1800 dmg - 75%)x2 = (1800 - 1350)x2= 450 .

If this is true, then headshot 3 should work the same. (1500 - 75%) = (1500 - 1125) = 375

Even if I had a knockdown, which I don't. I would still do less damage than him with a T21! O.o Am I wrong here??


I proceeded to do some testing with a friend of mine later.


Using headshot 3 and a t21 max dmg 420, no PU,I averaged around 330 points of dmg on 10 or so shots, with or without a helmet on him. He took out a kaduu, and Idid 1500 dmg in 1 shot, he took out a gurreck, with 40% energy resist, and I did 1380. This is all taken from the numbers in the combat spam only. So my math seems to be right.. I thought we were supposed to be the heavy damage dealer?


This is saying that a BH who can fire 2 times as fast as me at master, which I am not, and can do the same dmg or more??






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Onichi
Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:04 pm
#39

Because we have Zero defense v's Knockdown it is one of the best ways to kill us. It sounds like you actually came up against a BH who knows how to use his skills instead of just spamming Eye Shot, which by the way is the second most effective way to kill us as we use mind HAM on our specials, we kill ourselves in the end.


As PsycoticChipmunk said, the speed cap for all specials across all Professions is currently 1 second so it is entirely possible for the B.H in question to be able to do this. They are pretty tough one on one, they don't have a lot of defense though which makes them easier to hit in the long run.


Bounty Hunters are designed to be great 1 on 1 damage dealers, they take out Bounty Marks after all. We on the other hand have Area Attacks which is great for dealing large amounts of damage on groups of opponents.


It also sounds like the B.H was using some nice Weaponry





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