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Eleutherios wrote: Lots of Jedi hide in space, AFK in their ships, knowing it's a "safe zone"...We should be able to pursue them in space. I don't see a reason why not. If you're a Jedi and you have visibility, you should be prepared to be attacked anywhere.

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Veteran Ship FTW...

yea

Well, I have a toon that is a BH and I say hell, yea, let it happen. The mechanism for scanning is already in place. Bounty Hunters get a bio-signature for thier droids from the SpyNet Op. Why not just 'Inspect' a suspected ship and if the Jedi is on board, the inspection should reveal his/her bio-signature. TEF up and fire away! However, realistically, if it were to happen the Jedi would definitelybi*ch up a storm and then you would start to see Jedi powers in space. It is too bad that a lot of PCs would rather kill with a macro than actually use thier own tactics and skills to have fun. I guess that is what I like about space, all skill no AFK.

Back to the original subject, I vote:

NO

If BH's can get missions in space, then the Jedi are going to whine for special space powers.

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Nathanielstarr wrote:
space combat is borked right now....whoever shoots first wins in pvp. You can actually die with full shields and full armor in 3 to 4 hits. It's sorta boring even if you are on the winning side.

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True, PvP damage could be done to be brought into line with PvE damage. However, because things are on such a knife edge in PvP, that means that a large part of the art of ship to ship combat isn't who can aim best, but actually who can manuever best. The part of the fight before anyone shoots can be the longest part, while you're both dancing around each other, covering your own tail while trying get on their's. That's why a Jedi Starfighter is such a difficult opponent, it may be a tiny little ship which can mount little or no armour, but you try keeping up with it when you're circling each other (it also helps that it's a tiny target too).

Message Edited by DaveG on 07-12-2005 12:25 PM

As a jedi and a master pilot, I'd love if BH could attack us in space. jtl pvp is a rare thing and anything that increases space pvp isn't a bad thing

only downside is that (A) I'm a completed temp and as such no one hunts me, this should change with pub 20. (B) Not only am i a master pilot, I've been playing jtl since launch, I'm a pretty good pilot with some realy, realy nice RE'd components

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DaveG wrote:

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Althus_Alen wrote:
For this to happen, Jedi skills would have to work in space (and be expanded). For a film reference, the Death Star run and Obi saying "Use the force Luke", instead of his targetting computer.

Would you accept Jedi getting more starship skills and bonuses than a non-Jedi? If not, then this idea is a non-starter.

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With those specific examples in mind, I don't think it's that big a difference.

1) Telepathic communication (obiwan to luke in ep4, luke to leia and Vader to Luke in ep5). That doesn't mean anything to space combat, it's like using a /tell

2) Luke directing the torpedo's into the Death Star exhaust port: This is a simple matter of "force push", and would only be applicable to influence missiles in JTL. I.e. The Jedi can use a missile "buff", i.e. a temporary skill mod to thier missile accuracy, and similarly a "debuff", or a temporary negative skill mod to the BH's missile skill, which would be the effect of pushing the missiles away from the ship slightly.

3) Obi-wan Vs Jango in Geonosis space: This shows that even a Jedi can't do anything about a Blaster enabled dogfight type situation, which means Jedi's and normals are on a level playing field when it's just guns vs guns. Obiwan survived that fight simply by being a cunning pilot; R4 helped him more than the force did in that situation!

4) Obiwan and Anakin getting to Grevious's ship: This is another example of how Jedi are constrained in space. That first sequence of Ep3, Obiwan and Anakin were doing some fancy flying, but apart from increasing their reactions (which you just can't translate into a player buff), use of the force didn't play a part. If they were really going to or were able to use the force, then Obiwan could have used force push to get those "Buzz Droids" off his ship-hull. (Although I do see the contradiction between #4 and #2).

Message Edited by DaveG on 07-11-2005 02:38 PM

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true but the pure reason jedi are hunted to start with is because of the role jedi have in SW in this time period, cannon doesnt really support bh's huting jedi, but jedi hunting bh's from the obi wan finding and going to meet jango on genosis. THe trade of for bhs being able to fight jedi in space would have to be increased jedi power in space.

I for one am against this though, i consider space a free space from everything ground based.

I also think its a cool idea, I just have one problem with it:

How the hell would you prove you got the bounty?

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P__Day wrote:
true but the pure reason jedi are hunted to start with is because of the role jedi have in SW in this time period, cannon doesnt really support bh's huting jedi, but jedi hunting bh's from the obi wan finding and going to meet jango on genosis. THe trade of for bhs being able to fight jedi in space would have to be increased jedi power in space.

I for one am against this though, i consider space a free space from everything ground based.

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You'll have to explain that to me more because I don't understand your point.

I don't think that Episode 2 makes a precident for Jedi's hunting Bounty Hunters. Obiwan was conducting an investigation that happened to involve a Bounty Hunter as a prime suspect. I think for Jedi's and Bounty Hunters alike, they don't specifically hunt each other, but if circumstances dictate that they do, they will. In Ep6, Boba Fett had a go at capturing Luke Skywalker. There wasn't a mention of a Bounty on Luke in the films (but I'd be surprised if Vader hadn't put one out), I think he was more acting as a security guard for Jabba, and since Luke was making a mess of Jabba's henchmen it was appropriate for Boba to stand up and do his stuff.

What Episode 5, in particular does, is make a precident for Bounty Hunters stalking their marks in space, ship to ship, in this case it was a bounty on a smuggler (Han Solo), but a mark is a mark.

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Tekcasualty wrote:
I also think its a cool idea, I just have one problem with it:

How the hell would you prove you got the bounty?

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Catch the Jedi's black-box recorder?

My last but one post gave me an idea. We can currently follow our marks in space, but we can't fight them. Well okay, let us follow them in space, but when they Hyperspace, let us be able to know where they jumped to, and when they land, let us be able to know where they landed.

If we could know those things, we could use space as a means of stalking our marks.

There should be a way to force the jedi to land at least. They already got a whole planet to hide on along with thier houses thye carry around. They don't need the whole galaxy's space too.

It would be cool if you could fire at the jedi and force him to emergency land on the closest planet, where the hunt can continue.