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Oikaleek wrote:

Thanks for bringing the real world technology into the picture...it only further proves my point.

The P-51... one of the most renowned aircraft ever produced....was horribly out of date within 20 years of its existance thanks to the invention of far superior jets. The original jet engine fighters, were all outclassed within 20 years by improved designs and TECHNOLOGY.

Punch Card computers were developed in the 40's. They were gone by the 70's...so it took a little longer /shrug. Either way the point is this: Technology advances forward, not backward. The fact that X-wings, Tie's and especially A and B wings (supposed to be the most advanced strike craft in the galaxy during this time period (well maybe not b's yet) are outclassed by the JSF, ARC and BB22, is simply inaccurate and ludicrous.

All of the stats on the old ships should get an upgrade in P/R/Y to reflect the advance in technology. Simple as this: If they Empire and Rebellion had access to ships such as the JSF and Arc etc, why bother developing the TIE , the X wing, the A or the B wing. All they needed to do was mass produce JSF's and Arcs...vastly superior ships according to the Developers of this game.

And dont give me this "cheaper" crap. That might work for the rebellion, though rebels tend to simply "take" the resources they need to produce their fleet, and the Empire had unlimited resources as depicted by their wealth of superior naval power.

Seloh

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You're confusing the availability of technology with the economics of supporting a military. The modern Chinese are a great example of this. There is no shortage of engineering power in China of their own or "borrowed" from western powers, and they certainly have the finances to invest in their military, but do you see them flying fighters like the F-22? No, they build a knock-off version of the MiG-23 as their front line fighter, a craft whose engineering roots date back almost 50 years. It is easy to build, maintain, and train to fly, and when you put 22,000 of them in the air, they'll overwhelm the mostimpressive technology.

As for your thesis that the empire had limitless resouces, that simply isn't true. While they certainly had much more than the rebellion, they had a lotmore to worry about. TheRebel Alliance was one of many factions which opposed the empire. Many othersystemsand organizations resisted, including manyof those who opposed based upon economic rather than political reasons. Take the Hutts for example, a powerful criminal syndicate which caused the empire many headaches. Keeping literally thousands of systems in line takes a lot of spreading yourself thin.

Why do you think the empire needed to develop and deploythe Death Star? If they had endless resources, they could simply control all the systems with lots of troops and ships, right?If they had limitless resources, why not build 10 or 100 death stars at the same time? Well, they simply didn't have the resources to defeat all the factions and keep them in line with conventional warfare, and a weapon of intimidation was needed to threaten any rogue systems into submission. The empire was losing its grip on the systems that signed on for the promise of peace and got tyrany instead, and the rebellion was gaining momentum. The reason that the destruction of the death star was so devestating was that it was really the empires only hope of clinging to its plansof universal domination. As with all tyranical empires, eventually the scope of the effort overwhelms the effort.

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psikobunny wrote:

The other thing no one is thinking of is that Lucas has described this as a society in decline. You're so used to rapid advancement that anything else is inconceivable, but truth be told, rapid improvements in technology is a recent phenomenon in human history.

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R9D14 wrote:

ive spent the last 2 weeks grinding off negative imp faction points and workign on getting strong enough on the ground to do the mission by myself. what about the time I ALREADY spent instead of the time other people HAVEN'T YET spent?

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!Drevin of DROW!

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KJFett3 wrote:

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R9D14 wrote:

ive spent the last 2 weeks grinding off negative imp faction points and workign on getting strong enough on the ground to do the mission by myself. what about the time I ALREADY spent instead of the time other people HAVEN'T YET spent?

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Was some one holding a gun to your head when you did that? Call the police! How dare they make it so that you have to try all the factions in an MMO so that you can experience the ENTIRE game! SUE!!!!

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Oikaleek wrote:

Thanks for bringing the real world technology into the picture...it only further proves my point.

Soory, it didn't prove your point. On the surface, you would like it too, but read below and see how it sank your idea. We are not talking about a copy machine, old computer or your toothbrush here. We are talking about something far more advanced.

The P-51... one of the most renowned aircraft ever produced....was horribly out of date within 20 years of its existance thanks to the invention of far superior jets. The original jet engine fighters, were all outclassed within 20 years by improved designs and TECHNOLOGY.

Sure the stock P-51 was not very good compared to the F-4 that existed 20 years after it was produced, but a modified P-51 (as our Bel-22s and ETA-2s are) is still a very fast reliable machine that continues to perform very well to this day. The older jet fighters are outclassed because the jet engine was refined. Such an improvement in technology is not seen in SW. The advancement of technology is more like the last 30 years of our history....and how does that not fit your example? read below.

Punch Card computers were developed in the 40's. They were gone by the 70's...so it took a little longer /shrug. Either way the point is this: Technology advances forward, not backward. The fact that X-wings, Tie's and especially A and B wings (supposed to be the most advanced strike craft in the galaxy during this time period (well maybe not b's yet) are outclassed by the JSF, ARC and BB22, is simply inaccurate and ludicrous.

An Aircraft..or spacecraft is not a single peice of technology, but actually a compilation of many technologies.

Your statement that they are outclassed by JSF, ARC and B-22 is the inaccurate statement. Each one is a very capable ship, but only as capable as the parts in it. Is the Bel-22 a good ship? yes..but with the right parts. Is the A-wing a good ship? yes..but only with the right parts. The Bel-22 likely had a bit more reliable work on it from an engineering firm that had a long time to develop it, not rushing it into service the way the A-wing was though..whcih means the Bel-22 could still have advantages that the A-wing did not.

All of the stats on the old ships should get an upgrade in P/R/Y to reflect the advance in technology. Simple as this: If they Empire and Rebellion had access to ships such as the JSF and Arc etc, why bother developing the TIE , the X wing, the A or the B wing. All they needed to do was mass produce JSF's and Arcs...vastly superior ships according to the Developers of this game.

And dont give me this "cheaper" crap. That might work for the rebellion, though rebels tend to simply "take" the resources they need to produce their fleet, and the Empire had unlimited resources as depicted by their wealth of superior naval power.

TIE fighters were typically employed en masse to make up for their shortcomings. Speedy and maneuverable, these fighters are nonetheless fragile. Though hard to hit, even a glancing blow can destroy a TIE.

Though TIEs presented a formidable challenge to pirates and civilian craft, the skilled pilots of theRebel Alliancemade short work of them in combat.

Seloh

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For almost 20 years, from 1960 to 1980, the Phantom II was the top fighter of the world, against which all other combat aircraft were measured. By the time production of the type ended in 1979, over 5,000 Phantom IIs had been built around the world.

First Delivered in 1972, the US Navy plans to retire its Tomcat fleet as it introduces the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the F-14 has continued to provide valuable capabilities in Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Tomcats have a better fuel capability than F/A-18 Hornets, so F-14s can fly a bit longer and faster. A F-14 can typically fly a round trip of 1.200 km in about one-and-a-half to two hours without refueling. The Tomcat's LANTIRN (Low-altitude Navigation and Targeting Infrared for Night) system is more advanced than the F/A-18's Nighthawk targeting pods, giving Tomcats an advantage over today's F/A-18 Hornets for air-to-ground missions. According to latest statements by the U.S. Navy, the F-14s will stay in service with the US Navy until at least 2010.

!Drevin of DROW!

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The other thing no one is thinking of is that Lucas has described this as a society in decline. You're so used to rapid advancement that anything else is inconceivable, but truth be told, rapid improvements in technology is a recent phenomenon in human history. Moving forward slowly, or even moving backwards (Dark Ages anyone?) has been the norm for a lot longer than the current burst of innovation and invention. There has been tons of scifi written about societies in decline, and Star Wars is just another example. HG Well's Time Machine, Larry Niven's Ringworld, Asimov's Galactic Empire and Foundation, it's all just as valid source material for a Sci Fi epic as our own society.

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ShalaMedic wrote:

To my understanding, in order to own & pilot the very popular Jedi Starfighter you must in fact be an IMPERIAL to receive and complete the quest. Even though all 3 Pilot Professions are certified to use the starship, the ONLY way you can obtain one is by actually doing the quest yourself. This starship is non-tradable and cannot be sold.

Now this is a pretty big bummer to us non-imperial factioned players. I am a Rebel Jedi Knight with the Rebel Rank of Colonel. If I am to go IMPERIAL just for this ship I will end up losing my Rank as Colonel & I'm not sure if I would lose my Jedi Knight Tag since you need to be affiliated with either Rebel or Imperial Faction to become a Knight in the first place. What's even worse is taht I found this out just as I made Alliance ACE Pilot. This took me3 weeks to accomplish. I know it can be done quicker but I don't have that kind of time on me.

I am very disappointed.... sad I have become.... If the Jedi Starfighter was at least tradable it wouldn't be such a problem.

So... what shall I do? It's almost as if SOE is forcing players to surrender/lose what they have earned and into becoming part of a faction they know a high percentage of players don't want to be just so they can obtain the Jedi Starfighter... So us Rebels need to go through all of this?? w.t.f.!

Now here's the real question:

Why don't they (SOE) make it tradable? Hmmmm... why not indeed.................. I sense a disturbance in the force.

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Lol, you wrote a huge post about a problem thats not going to be solved? You could've just wrote

OMG teh SOE suXx0r m8. 1 pwnzz0r t3hSm3dley d00dlol m8!!!11!111!1111One!1one!1eleven!11!one!1

and spared everyone's time, mate.

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They need to make it so the ARC-170 can be gotten by imperials and the JsF by rebels...This way we can all use the ships we want to use