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Thread: Voice Chat for JTLS
Number-1-Commandowrote:
THwrote:
Recently, there have been some programs being advertised in and out of game throughout the community. Some of these programs are cheater programs that violate the End User License Agreement, but there are also some that report to perform feats of magic such as reduce lag. We know of at least two of these programs to be Trojan Horses that are “keystroke loggers”. Keystroke loggers are programs that “spy” on your computers keyboards to steal information. These are malicious third party programs that might even lead to identity theft.
Just as a community reminder, please do not use or install 3rd party programs onto your computer that claim to enhance the game. 3rd party applications are a violation of the End User License Agreement and we have banned people for using programs that violate the EULA and will continue to do so.
We encourage you not to install anything on your computer that does not come from a trusted source. Please be very careful when choosing and installing programs onto your computer.
Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Assistant Community Manager
As you just read.... The devs do not want you to use 3rd party programs (roger wilco,Teamspeak, or the like)kinda scary that two programs have "Trojans". Just another reason to have Intergrated voice chat. Devs don't want 3rd party, I would rather not use 3rd party, and I know a few people that don't want to use 3rd party.
Devs, could you please intergrate voicechatONLY in JTL, space ONLY? As you wrote, "please do not use or install 3rd party programs onto your computer that claim to enhance the game".Since it is in violation of the End User License Agreement, please read these proposal, and take these seriously... I don't wanna violate anything.
Number-1-Commando wrote:
This is what i wrote in another thread about voice chat.
Number-1-Commandowrote:
THwrote:
Recently, there have been some programs being advertised in and out of game throughout the community. Some of these programs are cheater programs that violate the End User License Agreement, but there are also some that report to perform feats of magic such as reduce lag. We know of at least two of these programs to be Trojan Horses that are “keystroke loggers”. Keystroke loggers are programs that “spy” on your computers keyboards to steal information. These are malicious third party programs that might even lead to identity theft.
Just as a community reminder, please do not use or install 3rd party programs onto your computer that claim to enhance the game. 3rd party applications are a violation of the End User License Agreement and we have banned people for using programs that violate the EULA and will continue to do so.
We encourage you not to install anything on your computer that does not come from a trusted source. Please be very careful when choosing and installing programs onto your computer.
Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Assistant Community Manager
As you just read.... The devs do not want you to use 3rd party programs (roger wilco,Teamspeak, or the like)kinda scary that two programs have "Trojans". Just another reason to have Intergrated voice chat. Devs don't want 3rd party, I would rather not use 3rd party, and I know a few people that don't want to use 3rd party.
Devs, could you please intergrate voicechatONLY in JTL, space ONLY? As you wrote, "please do not use or install 3rd party programs onto your computer that claim to enhance the game".Since it is in violation of the End User License Agreement, please read these proposal, and take these seriously... I don't wanna violate anything.
Very good point, Commando, and one I was going to bring up myself if I didn't see it by the end of the thread.
All very good points, in fact, and I am pleased to see a thread providing constructive discussion of an in-game need.
To this I would like to add my own $.02, as it were:
1) Lag is not an issue with independent chat servers, unless PC performance is low
Simple group-based voice chat can be established within the JtL expansion simply by utilizing the existing communication servers in the same form that exists with existing third-party chat programs. Either automatically voice-link those in a team as one option, allow players to start a group chat on their own as another option, or even permit certain spatial public channels as a third option (though I doubt that many people will utilize these after the first audio mob they encounter). In addition the only players who would experience any lag in this instance would be those with low-end PCs, and they get that and worse with 3rd party voice chats anyway.
2) Voice chat is integral to flight sim experiences
Anyone who has ever been a fan of any tactical or strategic simulation will tell you that there is nothing more immersive than the opportunity to communicate directly with your team mates. Who doesn't want to experience, "Approaching the target now. Locking S-foils into attack position. All pilots report in." Followed seconds later by, "Red 1 standing by." "Red 3 standing by." "Red 5 standing by" These are crucial elements to immersion within this genre and I think that it should be implemented if for no other reason than that we, as the fanbase, deserve to have a complete package with our release.
3) Tactical communitcation is ESPECIALLY necessary in a twitch-based environment
If the JtL lives up to everything it seems that it will, then group-based voicechat will turn out to be a necessity. It has already been stated that one does not want to stop flying to type into a text box, but I think it might need to be expressed more strongly: ONE DOES NOT REMOVE THEIR HANDS FROM THE CONTROLS INA TWITCH-BASED COMBAT ENVIRONMENT TO TYPE IN A TEXT BOX! This is not an option, it is a requirement, as anyone who participates in flightsim dogfights will tell you. You stop flying, you start dying. So there will be little to NO communication during dogfights, and I think that is a horrible infringement on the enjoyment of the game just to beging with. Not to mention almost ridiculous on its face.
4) LAN and firewalled users have issues with most 3rd party voice programs
A very significant number of players in thi game, myself included, play from behind heavily protected networks and firewalls. For those of us who have no other choice, a 3rd party chat program will not work outside of our network or firewall. So unless you want to disable your network security (assuming you can), you are stuck talking to no one. This, more than any other reason, mandates some solution to this growing question of tactical communications.
If nothing else, it shouldn't be difficult to implement an add-on patch or something to make it a viable option for those who will need it. And anyone serious about flying will need it. Dogfighting completely aside, how are we supposed to take the GCW into space if we can't even communicate with our teammates in realtime? So the choices are pretty much to have integrated voicechat, or have no communication during dogfighting at all.
For my part, macro phrases are not going to do the trick. A macro cannot replace, "Hunter Gamma engaged with two bogies. Repeat: two bogies. I am @ coordinates XXXX, XXXX, XXXX inbound to capitol ship [insert name here]. Shields are almost down, and I have more hostiles inbound. Li'l help here?"
How are you going to communicate tactical information with a macro phrase?
So yes, I agree completely with integrated voice chat.
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Message Edited by Yterbium on 06-24-2004 03:07 PM
Message Edited by Drekkenkoe on 06-24-2004 03:22 PM
JediArashi wrote:
I think your close in your evaluation Drekken, except I think he is implying software that gives one player an advantage over another. Third party voicechat does that. If my PA can communicate more eficiently through a voicechat, we'd have a better chance against a PA group that does not. Being able to coordinate attacks, defend certain players, and freely communicate objectives as fast as it can be spoken is far superior to people who may have to type the same commands.
In that respect I think that Teamspeak and the like would be a bannable EULA abuse. This is just what I think though and does not reflect what SOE thinks, so an official note on these specific 3rd party programs would be nice.
-Arashi
Bloodfin
Well if that's the case then the developers should, in whatever spare time they have that isn't used for family and such, work on producing a chat program that could be used in space. I don't think the developers really expected people not to use voice chat in space. For those who are speed challenged on the keyboard (raises hand) voice chat is a welcome alternative.
I think the other advantage for an SOE sponsored voice chat is that those who don't have microphones would benefit from having this. I remember my guild discussing the use of voice chat in space and not wanting everyone to be obligated to use it. If it's produced by SOE I dont' think many will fall into that problem.
Main thing is if SOE doesn't want us using third party programs then they should produce working features that do the same. Otherwise they have no grounds for banning someone.
- this is a joke btw) across it.
Ph0sH wrote:
I am purely an artisan at this point in my career, but when getting shuttled by my friends I would like to have voice chat so I can scream likea little girly when we start taking hits from enemy craft.
-pH0$h
Message Edited by Xeranx on 06-25-2004 09:59 AM