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Thread: Why do I have to have a group for solo missions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lordcole
Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:13 am
#40
Hagg wrote:
This is just bad game mechanics, why should I have to be a part of a large group to take on my solo missions. Then if I dont do the missions I cant be a pilot. I am so ready to quit I cant see straight. Has anyone solo'ed all the pilot missions? I can take the fact that I suck but refuse to have guildmates fly with me just because SOE cant seem to leave the way to master a proffession alone!!
Well you know when I seen the Title of this message I just wanted to jump on you and say "Because you suck?"... But I am not going to say that...
So far I have Solo'd all of my Rebel missions and I am now a Teir 3(3/3/3/3) Pilot with 489k experience itching to get back in game to get the next 511k so I can try to get through my First Mission for Teir 4(Besides the Duty missions) there are some things that folks can do that others cannot... but its going to take some practice and time... I have already seen at least onepilot on Starsider who has his special Imperial Helmet and I assume that person did it solo cause I didn't see anyone else... On the other hand I know alot of people who can't even get past the first mission into Teir one due to lack of agility and practice...
If I have to group to complete my missions then I will, but I will judge the missions as I do them, personally I think the ENTIRE Rebel track out of Tyrena(sp?) is way to easy, but thats just me...
Mr_Flibble
Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:26 am
#41
Well I am now at 3/2/2/2 imp pilot I almost soloed my missions (If I had used the same tatics solo I would of been able to do it solo apart from the first mission to get to tier 3) I found some good pilots I help them they help me.
The problems I have found with doing missions solo is
1. the bunny hop problem which makes hitting the target impossible.
2. the static spawns of large groups of fighters that attack you whilst on a mission.
if it weren't for those I would be able to solo most my missions. But it's more fun flying with a few friends.
That and most my guild are from the uk so ...
The problems I have found with doing missions solo is
1. the bunny hop problem which makes hitting the target impossible.
2. the static spawns of large groups of fighters that attack you whilst on a mission.
if it weren't for those I would be able to solo most my missions. But it's more fun flying with a few friends.
That and most my guild are from the uk so ...
hase2
Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:38 am
#42
im rebel 4443 and soloed everything so far.
in beta i soloed everything exept the tier4 mission4 (including the vette).
but i normally fly in groups and help lower ppl to complete their missions. its way more fun and you gain XP much faster in small to medium groups. and its a possibility to help tier2 pilots grind through the second tier (which is the hardest part imo).
i will group in kessel for sure since it speeds up both master missions and you have a way higher chance of success.
its not difficult to find pilots in your range (unless you are way higher than ALL others in the game - but then you shouldnt have problems soloing the missions)
when you refuse to group- either stay on ground,become a better pilotor stay 3333.
Manics
Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:17 am
#43
Bob_the_tomato wrote:First of all, I'm 4444 Privateer and am on the LAST mission before master. I didn't get there by being a sucky pilot. If I sucked, I would have never completed any of the missions, and if I had no friends I wouldn't have gotten past the tier 4 missions. So you all can s t f u about that.I don't expect to solo an Imperial Corvette. I expected not to get such a rediculous mission that there is no possible way to do on your own no matter how much "skill" you have.Me and my group have gone at this many many times now. It's frustrating as hell and is as bad as the Jedi Knight trials that I did after publish 9.Anyone who supports forced grouping is just a masochist. Why would you want to be forced into a playstyle at all? Why would a choice not be better? They ought to give you a choice, to either group up and kill the corvette or grind out the 7.5 million xp.Choice is better than forced - why is that so damn hard for people to understand? If you love to group, great, go group. If you want to play solo, why shouldn't you be allowed to? Damn Nazi's.
You're an angry one aren't you? I honestly don't expect to change your opinion, or even get you to consider any other viewpoint.. Your rediculous name calling and reactionary habit of calling people Nazi's in most of your posts don't do anything to help get your point across.
No one is accusing you of being a sucky pilot. Just because others say you should group, doesn't mean we're criticising you. You've said you had no problems finding a group... you're at 4444 and have grouped to finish those missions. (incidentally, storm squadron Imperial pilots have to form a large group on their first mission after 2222 and mostly thereafter). You're able to agree with most that the corvette shouldn't be soloed, but you think there should be a choice. Okay.. Fair enough. An example is force sensitivity. You need a group to get the corvette badge in order to get "glowing", but the other option is to skip that and do three themeparks and two warren badges. It's possible to solo the warren, so grouping isn't forced in this case. In this example, the corvette is an option but not required.
Here's my take: It costs 0 skillpoints to master the pilot profession. It's only 1 profession. Grinding out 7.5 million XP or any amount just to master this profession makes it the same as every ground profession. There should be something to differentiate this... The storyline/quests and styles of missions do this, and I think it's a nice change of pace. I personally see no problem in getting a group together (even if it's unofficially "required" if you want to use that word) to finish these missions, especially for the master box.
The thing I don't understand is that you have friends who you've grouped with before. If you or other people were having problems finding a group, difficulty with grouping (bugs or otherwise) or anything else, I'd definitely understand required grouping being unreasonable. As it stands, it's pretty easy to find a group and, call me crazy, but I find it fun and so have all the people and guildmembers I've grouped with. Why does this make me or anyone else a nazi?
Cuality
Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:43 am
#44
what you should have written:
Bob_the_tomato wrote:
First of all, I'm 4444 Privateer and am on the LAST mission before master. I didn't get there by being a sucky pilot. If I sucked, I would have never completedany of themissions, and if I had no friends I wouldn't have gotten past the tier 4 missions.So you all can s t f u about that.
I don't expect to solo an Imperial Corvette. I expected not to get such a rediculous mission that there is no possible way to do on your own no matter how much "skill" you have.
Me and my group have gone at this many many times now. It's frustrating as hell and is as bad asthe Jedi Knight trials that I did after publish 9.
Anyone who supports forced grouping is just a masochist. Why would you want to be forced into a playstyle at all? Why would a choice not be better? They ought to give you a choice, to either group up and kill the corvette or grind out the 7.5 million xp.
Choice is better than forced - why is that so damn hard for people to understand? If you love to group, great, go group. If you want to play solo, why shouldn't you be allowed to? Damn Nazi's.
Bob_the_tomato wrote:
Blah, blah, blah, i hate when people disagree with me and it makes me feel like you are insulting my manhood. we should have a choice to make the gmae what we want it to be. the developers can't decide for us how things should be done. i am in charge and i want things done now!!! and i am better than everyone else and no one can fly better than me since i got 4-4-4-4 privateer. oh yes, also must reference a group who allowed for the most democratic elections to ever be held.
cry more. stop calling people nazis until you know what it means. the word you want to use is fascist. nazi is actually a term given to the people's libertarian party in germany. they held democratic elections and mistakenly voted hitler as their leader by one vote. hitler was a fascist. the nazi party is more socialist than anything. so... nazis = choice, fascists = no choice... clear?
semantics aside... if you want to play solo.. go ahead, there are multitudes of first person games you can play. If you want to play a pilot in JTL... you are going to have to group someday, and no amount of your childish tantrums will change that. I oppose any of these missions being made solo for many, many reasons. one is that there should be no online multiplayer game that doesn't encourage group play. two is that if you made is so that you could do missions solo... it would break continuity, and before the first person pipes up with the whole jedi thing... this is space, we let the ground go to crap, lets not do the same to space. wingmen, squads, groups were all part of fighting battles in space. three is because i think it's just plain retarded to make something easy enough for unskilled pilots to be able to breeze through.
Glzmo
Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:51 am
#45
I believe it is quite good to group in a MMORPG. The only thing I am missing is that your group members don't get credit for the missions they do for advancement. It can be quite boring to have to do the same mission over and over for every single group member. They should do it like the Captain Sarguillo Phase 3 Force Sensitive quest with all quest and allow group success on all missions, so you can go up grouped and all group members benefit from it by advancing.
Cuality
Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:54 am
#46
one of the missions for storm squadron is like that... i think, or maybe it's inquisitor. But if the pilots are all doing the same mission, they finish one and all of them get the same reward. My guildies did it when they were going up. But it should be spread all the way throughout (at least on the missions where the trainer tells you to bring frineds)
Glzmo wrote:
I believe it is quite good to group in a MMORPG. The only thing I am missing is that your group members don't get credit for the missions they do for advancement. It can be quite boring to have to do the same mission over and over for every single group member. They should do it like the Captain Sarguillo Phase 3 Force Sensitive quest with all quest and allow group success on all missions, so you can go up grouped and all group members benefit from it by advancing.
lunar004
Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:59 am
#47
I don't mind grouping, but not when its every mission in teir 3 and 4. I don't appreciate being forced to beg people to come with me to help me do my missions at all. Although my guild mates like running my missions with me cause they are on lower tiers and it gives them really good xp.
Although I don't like having to wait till 11pm for them all to get on and help me. I would like to actually be able to do a few missions and then do the hard ones with them, NOT be forced to do every fricken mission with a group of 6 or more people!
Its crap just like the ground version of this game. A big piece of crap.
BrotherDavius
Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:00 am
#48
Bob_the_tomato wrote:
First of all, I'm 4444 Privateer and am on the LAST mission before master. I didn't get there by being a sucky pilot. If I sucked, I would have never completedany of themissions, and if I had no friends I wouldn't have gotten past the tier 4 missions.So you all can s t f u about that.
I don't expect to solo an Imperial Corvette. I expected not to get such a rediculous mission that there is no possible way to do on your own no matter how much "skill" you have.
Me and my group have gone at this many many times now. It's frustrating as hell and is as bad asthe Jedi Knight trials that I did after publish 9.
Anyone who supports forced grouping is just a masochist. Why would you want to be forced into a playstyle at all? Why would a choice not be better? They ought to give you a choice, to either group up and kill the corvette or grind out the 7.5 million xp.
Choice is better than forced - why is that so damn hard for people to understand? If you love to group, great, go group. If you want to play solo, why shouldn't you be allowed to? Damn Nazi's.
So you want the pilot profs to be like the ground ones? complete it in a week, then complain that there is nothing to do in the game anymore as your a master already?
STOP CALLING PEOPLE NAZI'S.
Do you know how hurtfull that could be, how would you like it if people called you n*gger or child abuser. It's not nice and you should be banned.
gera
Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:16 am
#49
Bob, stop trying to tell people with frigging thick-head.
We all know grouping is fun also we all know HIGH-END content must need group. But leveling NOT.
Don't care about rest of ideas, because they are not ideas, just selfish thought who has large guilds with tons of mates that has JTL to help them. Most of them are already griefers that can easily tell "If you dont want to PvP, dont select a faction" .. Basically small minds..
gera
Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:19 am
#50
BrotherDavius wrote:
Bob_the_tomato wrote:
First of all, I'm 4444 Privateer and am on the LAST mission before master. I didn't get there by being a sucky pilot. If I sucked, I would have never completedany of themissions, and if I had no friends I wouldn't have gotten past the tier 4 missions.So you all can s t f u about that.
I don't expect to solo an Imperial Corvette. I expected not to get such a rediculous mission that there is no possible way to do on your own no matter how much "skill" you have.
Me and my group have gone at this many many times now. It's frustrating as hell and is as bad asthe Jedi Knight trials that I did after publish 9.
Anyone who supports forced grouping is just a masochist. Why would you want to be forced into a playstyle at all? Why would a choice not be better? They ought to give you a choice, to either group up and kill the corvette or grind out the 7.5 million xp.
Choice is better than forced - why is that so damn hard for people to understand? If you love to group, great, go group. If you want to play solo, why shouldn't you be allowed to? Damn Nazi's.
So you want the pilot profs to be like the ground ones? complete it in a week, then complain that there is nothing to do in the game anymore as your a master already?
STOP CALLING PEOPLE NAZI'S.
Do you know how hurtfull that could be, how would you like it if people called you n*gger or child abuser. It's not nice and you should be banned.
Sorry, but there are ALREADY master pilots.. Has it been a week yet?
Tdayiel
Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:27 am
#51
<added> OK forgot this to start off, Bob the Tomato that would say you're most likely a Christian and yet you swore more than a few times and didn't at all try to be like Christ(Christian=the want to be more like Christ). On a note other than religion, I'd like to say that it is a HUGE shame that it's this easy to get master pilot honestly. In beta I got master, and on Live i'll have it soon. NO WAY people should be able to max out their skills in 4 days. And on the vette mission, yes it's possible single pilot you just don't have as much skill as you believe you do. I'm not trying to discredit you but it IS possible if you REALLY want to do it but i'd highly recommend not doing it. LAST POINT if you hate being "forced" into playing with other players, than why did you sign up for a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game? Honestly did you think you could just play by yourself the entire time? alright on to my essay =)
Alright i'll try to keep this post to a minimum. I played beta for quite awhile. I went privateer and soloed the entire profession(it IS possible for privateers believe me it's not easy, i spent many many hours on my master mission but it IS possible with the right equipment and SKILLS(those things players no longer have and complain to get things made easier because of)). NOW I'm playing an Imp pilot(my guild is imp and i'm a council member. we have it split though 2 of us are privateers so we get to use both YT-1300 and Decimator), and I'm having trouble solo. I formed a squadron in our guild called Chaos Squadron, which is the best pilots of the guild. Now I grew up on Xwing, then TIE Fighter, and eventually Xwing vs TIE. I've played this type of game since Xwing's release(didn't like Wing Commander at all), and I've gained many skills in dogfighting in games(whether planes or in this case ships). I am probably the best pilot in the guild and I can't solo past tier3 mission3 for imp it gets very hard(yes tier3 mission1 IS possible did it yesterday for a friend solo while he followed transport). OK anyway back to the main subject!
This game is a MMORPG. Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game. Let's diagnose that...
Multiplayer: More than 1 player making use of a game at a singular time.
Massively Multiplayer: Many players(normally thousands or hundreds of thousands) making use of a game at a singular time.
Online: Often referred to as the "internet". Online capabilities include being able to dial in(or connecting with broadband types) to a central "server" that can link people and players together.
Role-Playing: Players or Actors take the form of a character in an alternate universe, normally middle earth or fantasy type but not always.
GAME: An Activity providing Amusement or Entertainment.
Alright let's put that together...An activity that provides fun to many thousands of players that are all taking on an identity that is not their own.
When you're hanging out with lots and lots of friends, you don't sit in the corner away from them do you? if you do, please seek a doctor because you're either depressed, you have anxiety(sp?), or you're just ugly and nobody likes you(or both). Anyway! The point i'm trying to make is this game is meant for many thousands of players to interact and enjoy each other's company. In my opinion that means that the meaning of the "game" should be to help people interact and play the game with each other. In that meaning one could say this game shouldn't even HAVE solo content but if it didn't nobody would be happy because sometimes if you're on and none of your friends are on you'd be screwed. ANYWAY thesis below:
This is a game meant for thousands and thousands of players so remember the entire point of it is to get players to play the game TOGETHER and interact as much as possible. If you don't want to play a MMO, as some have recommended go play XWA(good game for single player use) or just don't play this game because either way it's clear you're not getting the amount of enjoyment you want to get out of it. Since you want so badly to play single player games I recommend just dropping Galaxies completely. I love the game and would recommend it to anyone, but that excludes someone that doesn't like playing with other people. the end
God Bless,
~Judge~
Message Edited by Tdayiel on 11-03-2004 07:32 AM
Flibble
Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:26 am
#52
On the subject of "but I managed to grind rifleman solo", you shouldn't be able to, but the ground game is borked. Hence the Combat Upgrade.