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Thread: Ragtag rebel ships better then the mighty Empire
But yes, for JTL they should be on par.
DHoff wrote:Shields, HA! The empire had much better weapons than the rebellion, red the books or watch the movies. The shields really only helped if they got a glancing shot. In the books or movies if a TIE got a good shot, it would go right through the shields and mess things up bad. Besides, who needs shields when you are a good enough pilot with badass ship (interceptor). In the books good pilots in the interceptor were just plain evil.
They had weapon overload 4 programmed in their nav comps.
BillyBobthe50th wrote:
Russia USED to do that, now, Russia makes several fighters that are in fact SUPERIOR to the F-22, did you also know that Russia has the most advanced ejection seat technology IN THE WORLD?
as someone who workes on the american fighters I have to say you are so wrong it is almost not worth mentioning. Russia has basicly been bankrupt for years and has nothing that compars to the F-22 or the JSF. thay did have the best ejection seat because 1 thay needed it and 2 we now have taken the design and improved on it. Sorry but if you had sayed that the French or the British I could have tried to get on board but it does not matter. there are only 2 countries that have a potential of matching our Air Force and 1 is a friend. The verdict is still out on the other.
Haywood wrote:
Ghotodesman wrote:
PhoenixAndy wrote:
Ghotodesman wrote:
BillyBobthe50th wrote:
Russia USED to do that, now, Russia makes several fighters that are in fact SUPERIOR to the F-22, did you also know that Russia has the most advanced ejection seat technology IN THE WORLD?
actually it is not true that the russians have better planes. The F-15 is the best out there and it's ours. The F-15 has never...never been shot down meaning it is the safest plane to be in, in combat.
You're trying to tell me that not 1 F-15 has ever been shot down? I find that incredibly hard to believe given how long they've been in operation. Of course, show me some statistics on this, and I might be inclined to believe you.
From: here
Listed as MIA on Jan. 18. Changed to KIA on March 22. Shot down in an F-15 over Iraq.
That doesn't look like never shot down to me.
Edited becuase of my mistakes:
The F-15 has never...never been shot down in air to air combat meaning it is the safest plane to be in, in combat.
Again I find myself asking where your proof of this is? Has the USAF released statistics about where & when all of their planes have been lost since the F-15 entered service? Also, given that Iraq's Anti-Aircraft capability was minimal at best, I expect that shot down F-15 was hit by an enemy aircraft. Again, disprove me if you can.
I'm waiting...
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As a former Navy F-14 Tomcat Rio here are some nice facts:
There have been two F-14 Tomcats lost in combat since 1972 one was by a surfaceto air missle in 1991 Gulf War The other had an Engine Malfunction followed by a fuel migration problem that caused the crew to eject. Does that mean that since it has not been lost by an Air to Air Engagement in Combat that it is the safest plane?
I believe he meant statistically speaking. Just like saying that flying is the safest mode of travel because, statistically speaking, more people die by auto accident injuries than die in a plane crash, even though if a plane goes down, the likelihood of survival is slim at best.
But that is skewed. If just as many people flew as drove, we'd see an alteration to that statistic.
MusicManZarick wrote:
Two things:
In the normal SW Universe, there is no TIE Oppressor. There is, however a TIE Defender, which I would have preferred to see in this game instead of them making up their own ship.
Where does this idea that the tie defender is part of hte normal SW universe come from. It was a ship created by lucasarts for the 1994 tie fighter game. It's no more a part of the star wars universe than the opressor.
The only ships that are a part of the oficial star wars universe are the standard tie, the bomber, the interceptor, and darth vaders proptotype advanced.
The tie defender was the most unbalancing ship ever. It was rediculous, had as much firepower as a b-wing, handled better than an avenger style advance, and had as much shielding as a victory star destoyer. It was an "i win" button. It was nothing but a bad influence on the original tie fighter game.
Have you seen the movies, x-wings go boom in two shots from a cheap TIE Fighter. If they don't give us hyperdrivefor our TIEs in JtL, they should give us personal Star Destroyers so wecan travel from system to sytem; I don't mind with that. And stop citing XvT, its the worst installment of the X-wing series.
NasherUK wrote:
Imps get a speed boost over rebel ships in JTL. If they stuck true to XvT games etc tie fighters wouldnt have shields and would go boom in 2 direct hits and wouldnt have a hyperdrive.
Rebel ships are build for survivability and firepower, Imp ships are cheap, launch off a rack and are just designed to swarm not caring about deaths.
Message Edited by Amuro0079 on 11-27-2004 12:10 PM
Dreamland wrote:
MusicManZarick wrote:
Two things:
In the normal SW Universe, there is no TIE Oppressor. There is, however a TIE Defender, which I would have preferred to see in this game instead of them making up their own ship.
Where does this idea that the tie defender is part of hte normal SW universe come from. It was a ship created by lucasarts for the 1994 tie fighter game. It's no more a part of the star wars universe than the opressor.
The only ships that are a part of the oficial star wars universe are the standard tie, the bomber, the interceptor, and darth vaders proptotype advanced.
The tie defender was the most unbalancing ship ever. It was rediculous, had as much firepower as a b-wing, handled better than an avenger style advance, and had as much shielding as a victory star destoyer. It was an "i win" button. It was nothing but a bad influence on the original tie fighter game.
Ever heard of extended uinverse? nuff said.
Amuro0079 wrote:
Ever heard of extended uinverse? nuff said.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-26-2004 09:04 PM
Dreamland wrote:
Amuro0079 wrote:
Ever heard of extended uinverse? nuff said.
Regardless of the extended universe the tie defender has no more claim to it than the tie opressor. Both were created by game companies for star warsgames. Neither are part of the original star wars cannon.
So no not nuff said. Next time think before doing a bad stan lee impersonation.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-26-2004 09:04 PM
So what? The extended universe includes all the stuff in games as well, sowhat's wrong with TIE Defender to appear in this game? It appeared in both TIE Fighter and XWA.
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Seapking of the star wars cannon, I don't recall seeing any of the neutral ships, other than the YT-1300,of this game in the movies.
Message Edited by Amuro0079 on 11-27-2004 01:16 PM
Amuro0079 wrote:
So what? The extended universe includes all the stuff in games as well, sowhat's wrong with TIE Defender to appear in this game? It appeared in both TIE Fighter and XWA.
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Seapking of the star wars cannon, I don't recall seeing any of the neutral ships, other than the YT-1300,of this game in the movies.
Message Edited by Amuro0079 on 11-27-2004 01:16 PM
You have missed the point entirely. My original post was in reply to someone who said the tie opressor is not a part of the star wars universe while the defender is. They are absolutely no different from eachother in the fact that both are 100% created for use in a game. The defender is no more a part of the star wars universe than the tie opressor. That is the point. Is it clear now?
If you want to argue reasons as to why it should or should not be included its quite simply a rediculous overpowered i-win button of a ship. The only way it could be included as a ship in this game with the firepower it has is if it handles just as poorly as an opressor. The tie defender as it appears in the original tie-fighter breaks every rule that this game has. Its more manouverable than anything else, has more firepower than anything else, and had shields as strong as a capital ship.
What would be the point of putting it in? it would only have to be detuned to fall in line with the other ships in the game. The only benefit that could possibly be gained from having it is that it has a more apealing apearance than the opressor. Shave the top wing off the opressor and i think it looks better than the Defender anyway.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-26-2004 09:57 PM