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PhoenixAndy wrote:

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Ghotodesman wrote:

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BillyBobthe50th wrote:

Russia USED to do that, now, Russia makes several fighters that are in fact SUPERIOR to the F-22, did you also know that Russia has the most advanced ejection seat technology IN THE WORLD?

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actually it is not true that the russians have better planes. The F-15 is the best out there and it's ours. The F-15 has never...never been shot down meaning it is the safest plane to be in, in combat.

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You're trying to tell me that not 1 F-15 has ever been shot down? I find that incredibly hard to believe given how long they've been in operation. Of course, show me some statistics on this, and I might be inclined to believe you.

From: here

Listed as MIA on Jan. 18. Changed to KIA on March 22. Shot down in an F-15 over Iraq.

That doesn't look like never shot down to me.

Besides which, simply because it's never been shot down doesn't mean it's the safest. If an experienced combat pilot took a Spitfire (WW2 UK Fighter) into combat against an entire squadron of F-15s crewed by fresh, untrained pilots, the F-15s would all crash & burn. Does this make the Spitfire the better plane? Of course it doesn't. What it says is that pilot skill counts for a lot in a combat situation. Probably more than the amount of technology the pilot is riding.

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Edited becuase of my mistakes:

The F-15 has never...never been shot down in air to air combatmeaning it is the safest plane to be in, in combat.

Hey to get back on topic for a moment:

I get JTL tomorrow and I can still chose to either go Imperial pilot or Rebel pilot. I am mostly thinking of Imp. After all the stuff I read here, I'm starting to think, I dont want to be weak after all... Lets just state: A Master imp pilot uses a totally upgraded TIE Opressor VS a Master Reb pilot's Totally upgraded B wing (or A wing whatever). So will it be an even match or will the Reb win as the rebel ships are just stronger? Thats all i need to go I can still go Rebel pilot

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player2005 wrote:

Npc wingmates sounds good, but only if they make them worth having. Not like the troopers they have now who mostly just stand around in mid combat and are extremely fragile.

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NO NO NO NO NO NONO NO. The game is good for PvE and for PvP leave it as is just tweek a stat here and there. I am shure if we all get wing men then the Imps will cry that thay should have a star destroyer and all the rebs should have is a z-95. I am imp on one character and reb on the other. I dont want to see space be like the AT-ST mess up of the ground game. I hope in the combat upgrade thay take away the AT-ST and make them vehicles while giving the rebs a compariable vehicle.

Reb fighters were better then Imp fighters. The VT49 was a better design and a better crewed ship then the YKL-37r. This is the way the developers looked at it and the way thay designed it. IMPS just be happy that you get light speed and shields as you were not suposedto have it per Lore; but this would unbalance the game so I am happy that the developers alowed it. I bet thay had to fight there butts off with lucas to alow them to do it.

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BillyBobthe50th wrote:

Russia USED to do that, now, Russia makes several fighters that are in fact SUPERIOR to the F-22, did you also know that Russia has the most advanced ejection seat technology IN THE WORLD?

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as someone who workes on the american fighters I have to say you are so wrong it is almost not worth mentioning. Russia has basicly been bankrupt for years and has nothing that compars to the F-22 or the JSF. thay did have the best ejection seat because 1 thay needed it and 2 we now have taken the design and improved on it. Sorry but if you had sayed that the French or the British I could have tried to get on board but it does not matter. there are only 2 countries that have a potential of matching our Air Force and 1 is a friend. The verdict is still out on the other.

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Bjorn015 wrote:
Hey to get back on topic for a moment:

I get JTL tomorrow and I can still chose to either go Imperial pilot or Rebel pilot. I am mostly thinking of Imp. After all the stuff I read here, I'm starting to think, I dont want to be weak after all... Lets just state: A Master imp pilot uses a totally upgraded TIE Opressor VS a Master Reb pilot's Totally upgraded B wing (or A wing whatever). So will it be an even match or will the Reb win as the rebel ships are just stronger? Thats all i need to go I can still go Rebel pilot

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Bjorn015 wrote:
Hey to get back on topic for a moment:

I get JTL tomorrow and I can still chose to either go Imperial pilot or Rebel pilot. I am mostly thinking of Imp. After all the stuff I read here, I'm starting to think, I dont want to be weak after all... Lets just state: A Master imp pilot uses a totally upgraded TIE Opressor VS a Master Reb pilot's Totally upgraded B wing (or A wing whatever). So will it be an even match or will the Reb win as the rebel ships are just stronger? Thats all i need to go I can still go Rebel pilot

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No ship is better than the other, it all depends on how you want to fly. All ship's have different mass, and handling traits. I am Reb., andwill use Reb. ships as an example. The Y-wing, big, heavy, turns and rolls very slowly. One can but high lvl equipment in it and it is very impressive, the Imps have a verson of this in their bomber type. Our (Reb) 4th teir ship, theA-wingis one of the lowest(maybe the lowest but I don't know this for a fact) massed ships in game, but it is very fast, and its optium turning, roll and climb rates at around 80-90 % full power. I outfitted my A, around the best blaster i could find, the second was the engine. These 2 thing's are what I looked for as far as high lvl equipment. The other componets I used were low lvl but they fullfilled my requirments. Why would you use a 15k reactor when you only need 10k of power. We all want 14k shields, but the profile of the A-wing is so small I only use a 10k shield, to save on mass. This 10k shield can withstand 2 shots from a gunboat, but by then I am already pass it so it very seldom hits me twice.

This turned into a rant on why I love the A-wing, sorry. My point is all the ships are good, you just gotta outfitt a ship to your fighting style, and the ships limits. Remember every time you change ships you will sorta have to learn to fly all over again, 'cause they are all different.

Clicky

"The high performance MiG-29 equals or surpasses the American F-15 in several areas." (c) Wiki

*cough* Eurofighter Typhoon*cough* Most Advanced Fighter ever made.

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Ghotodesman wrote:

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PhoenixAndy wrote:

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Ghotodesman wrote:

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BillyBobthe50th wrote:

Russia USED to do that, now, Russia makes several fighters that are in fact SUPERIOR to the F-22, did you also know that Russia has the most advanced ejection seat technology IN THE WORLD?

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actually it is not true that the russians have better planes. The F-15 is the best out there and it's ours. The F-15 has never...never been shot down meaning it is the safest plane to be in, in combat.

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You're trying to tell me that not 1 F-15 has ever been shot down? I find that incredibly hard to believe given how long they've been in operation. Of course, show me some statistics on this, and I might be inclined to believe you.

From: here

Listed as MIA on Jan. 18. Changed to KIA on March 22. Shot down in an F-15 over Iraq.

That doesn't look like never shot down to me.

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Edited becuase of my mistakes:

The F-15 has never...never been shot down in air to air combat meaning it is the safest plane to be in, in combat.

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Again I find myself asking where your proof of this is? Has the USAF released statistics about where & when all of their planes have been lost since the F-15 entered service? Also, given that Iraq's Anti-Aircraft capability was minimal at best, I expect that shot down F-15 was hit by an enemy aircraft. Again, disprove me if you can.

I'm waiting...

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Lorder wrote:
Clicky

"The high performance MiG-29 equals or surpasses the American F-15 in several areas." (c) Wiki

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So what? Americanwarplanes have better radar systemand avionics while the Russian ones have better engines and air frame designs, etc,hence better performance. The designphilosophies are completely different.

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JonnyBravo wrote:
The Empire spent time on research and development of advanced fighters. It was decided that attrition was a better model. They could throw swarms of cheaply made TIEs at the enemy. Yeah, they were going to lose some, but that was ok because they had plenty of pilots/materials to use. This was until they realized that perhaps it might be wise to provide some protection for their pilots and introduced classes like the Interceptor, Advanced, Oppressor, etc.

The rebels, on the other hand, had fewer pilots and even fewer resources to work with, so they had to make each of their fighters as good as they could to keep their pilots alive as long as possible. Oh, and by the way, the X-wing (at least if you believe the scuttle) was originally an Imperial design. Furthermore, the Mon Cals migrated over to the side of the rebels, and had arguably some of the best ship makers in the galaxy.

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Two things:
In the normal SW Universe, there is no TIE Oppressor. There is, however a TIE Defender, which I would have preferred to see in this game instead of them making up their own ship.

Second, regarding the X-Wing.. it's not so much that it was an Imperial Design, as it is that Incom Corporation was Imperial Controlled. But several of their top engineers defected to the Rebellion, and took the X-Wing designs with them.

But as has been stated by many others, the normal TIE fighters were not great ships. They relied on speed, maneuverability, and massive numbers to defeat their enemies. A single TIE vs. any other ship, even a Z-95, would not be able to stand up to the damage output of his opponent, but instead had to avoid the shots.

Sorry, had to get my SW Geek moment out and overwith.