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truewildman wrote:

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darthrotten wrote:

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Ducimus wrote:
You need pictures for proof.

Bottom line, the empire is a totalitarian fascist organization. If its not in uniform and within SW canon, you don't get it. Go polish your jackboots and deal with it.

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This, in the same game that Rebels get B-Wings before they were invented.

In any case, IT DOESN'T MATTER what the Empire is, what matters is that whether or not the Alliance is free, the MOVIE Alliance did NOT let it's pilots paint whatever the hell they wanted onto their ships. So if the Alliance can here, then so can the Empire. And the Empire being totalitarian or whatever sure hasn't negated the appearance of Stormtroopers with go faster stripes now, has it.

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Rebels can't paint whatever the hell they want on their ships. They only have 6 designs to choose from.

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tamer_bourne wrote:

Imperials are such cry babies

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Sound familiar?

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darthrotten wrote:

I want to pretty up decimators, now!

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Rich people like you ruined the game. Im happy about the fact you cant color your millionaire ship...

(for the reason why I posted this reply , check this thread: clicky

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darthrotten wrote:

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Ducimus wrote:
You need pictures for proof.

Bottom line, the empire is a totalitarian fascist organization. If its not in uniform and within SW canon, you don't get it. Go polish your jackboots and deal with it.

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This, in the same game that Rebels get B-Wings before they were invented.

In any case, IT DOESN'T MATTER what the Empire is, what matters is that whether or not the Alliance is free, the MOVIE Alliance did NOT let it's pilots paint whatever the hell they wanted onto their ships. So if the Alliance can here, then so can the Empire. And the Empire being totalitarian or whatever sure hasn't negated the appearance of Stormtroopers with go faster stripes now, has it.

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RougeSmuggler wrote:

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darthrotten wrote:

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Ducimus wrote:
You need pictures for proof.

Bottom line, the empire is a totalitarian fascist organization. If its not in uniform and within SW canon, you don't get it. Go polish your jackboots and deal with it.

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This, in the same game that Rebels get B-Wings before they were invented.

In any case, IT DOESN'T MATTER what the Empire is, what matters is that whether or not the Alliance is free, the MOVIE Alliance did NOT let it's pilots paint whatever the hell they wanted onto their ships. So if the Alliance can here, then so can the Empire. And the Empire being totalitarian or whatever sure hasn't negated the appearance of Stormtroopers with go faster stripes now, has it.

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Soooooo, because Rebel Bwings are allowed we should throw out any semblance of Continuity? Hell, why do we kid ourselves. Lets bring in the Borg or the Battlestar Galactica, I means, it's all over for Star Wars anyways, Rebels have Bwings.

As if that was the only blatant violation of continuity. Let's not forget the over abundance of Jedi and TKMs, the uber battle droids of doom, the sheer number of Alliance ships in space, the blatant attacks on Imperial Stormtroopers that go unoticed, comp armor, etc etc etc..

And yes, B-Wings flying around before they were invented is a big friggin deal.

Your logic here is a bit flawed about Imperials are alloed to have colors. The movies don't show Rebels with paint jobs. They don't show Imperials with paint jobs. All true. However, continuity from books and comics show that Rebels are allowed to customize their ships, Imperials on the other hand, are not.

Comics also show Han Solo deserting the Empire after the Death Star was built then escaping from Darth Vader in an A-Wing as he dueled Boba Fett with lightsabers. Comics are nowhere to get reference from. And most books detail the same things the movies do. Squadron colors for Rebel ships, nothing less, nothing more.

Yes, you have Baron Fel's squadron. ONE squadron, the best of THE BEST, were allowed to paint a red stripe on their ties. Sadly, you are NOT the best of the best, and since you are not a part of the 181st, you don't get to have the honor of flying with a red stripe on your Tie.

Try flying for strom squadron and say they're not the best sometime. And fine, they get a red stripe. How about a stripe for the rest of us? Screw this non-existant continuity that's never referenced unless it's to screw over Imperials.

On the ground Stormtroopers are not different colors based off of personal choice. Black stormtroopers are suppose to be elite, it's a distinction they recieve because they are in a different class of soldier. The Clonetroopers in the prequels with a red helmet as opposed to a yellow helmet are not wearing it because they want to, but because their rank and purpose is different from other troopers around.

Just as with Rebel ships, painted with squadron colors not because Luke really wants to be Red 5, but that's his god damn squadron and that's it's color.

You are missing the entire point of the Empire Vs. the Rebellion. One is a fascist, conformist forcing military, while the other is a rag tag group of freedom fighters. Rebels are allowed to paint their ships because partly as a rejection of the conformity of the Imperial Military. They have to differentiate themselves from the Empire, and show the galaxy that they have a mind of their own, yet can still work together. Differently painted ships are symbolic of the fact thatRebels come from all sorts of species and backgrounds, yet they fight under one united cause.

Nice speech, too bad it holds no water. That is a fabrication. REBELS DO NOT PAINT THEIR SHIPS. And I don't take what some comic that's not canon and never will be over the movies.

Even in this very game, ALL NPC REBEL SHIPS HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME COLOR SCHEMES. That's uniformity for you.

Imperials could care less. You follow the rules, or you are out. There is no room for individuality in the Empire. Individuality creates free thinkers, and free thinkers are BAD.

The Empire is order through military might and obedience to the Emperor. It is NOT the total extinguishment of free thought, the Empire is fascist/aggressive capitalist, not COMMUNIST.

-red

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Ewoksean wrote:

Ok heres something

The rebels are like, normal people right? Like they come from all over the galaxy and have brains that think differently...Well...Umm that kinda means that they have creativity and have fun and stuff...

The Imperials on the other hand are all brainless clones of the empire and have no rational thought at all and cannot think of abstract thoughts beyond "yes sir" and "set to stun".

How naive are you? Do you think the Rebel Alliance is a friggin youth club? It's a navy! Same as the Empire! All navies have regulations, uniformity, rules, orders to be obeyed, equipment to maintain to a finite standard. Any military force that doesn't do this is generally considered a joke and will be curbstomped into oblivion.

When you think about it, Im sure that the Imperial drones wouldnt CARE about their star ships because all they do really is follow orders. So when you kind of think about it if normal individuals (who actually sometimes were in the empire mainly became generals and didnt fly star crafts only commanded them) were the ship pilots, Im sure they would customize them.

Simply because most Star Wars stories present the sympathetic characters on the side of the Rebellion, it does not mean Imperials are all friggin robots.

Maybe they're fighting for their ideals too, to protect their nation from the Rebel scum. Or just to earn a pay check. Quit looking at it in black and white, even soldiers and fiighter pilotsin Nazi Germany weren't drones, only the hardcore Waffen SS freaks were that.

Both sides have individuals, and both follow orders as part of a team. You say Rebels are individuals, I could use your logic and call the battle of Yavin an act of mass suicide where unthinking Rebel drones were sent to their certain deaths, where lack of Rebel individuality prevented their pilots from disobeying "STAY ON TARGET" even while their asses were being shot out of them.

Also, Imperial Pilots were never able to reach their own ships, because ships were never reachable, if you notice, the ONLY craft that the imps have that can land, are transports and Lambadas. Imperials could never simply "Land" their ties on the ground and paint their bodies because they were always hanging by their wings, so you couldnt access them....Also, I dont think ships were individualy assigned to pilots, I think that they would just launch off in their squads, doesnt matter what ship it was...I think it would be funny if someone painted thier tie Pink and no one had their ship assigned and the last one to the ships would be stuck with the pink...haha...

TIE Fighters can and do land, their wings are sturdy enough to support the ship on a surface.

Basically my point is that the rebs could paint thier ships because they had some creativity and could access them to paint.

And my point is that's a crock.

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darthrotten wrote:

As if that was the only blatant violation of continuity. Let's not forget the over abundance of Jedi and TKMs, the uber battle droids of doom, the sheer number of Alliance ships in space, the blatant attacks on Imperial Stormtroopers that go unoticed, comp armor, etc etc etc..

And yes, B-Wings flying around before they were invented is a big friggin deal.

Again, so now that we have Jedi's running everywhere out in the open, and an Empire that's been nuetered, why do we hold back? Lets add in some new things so we can get an even bigger audience! We'll bring the USS Enterprise, and the Babylon 5 Space Station. With you're reasoning since Continuiuty is already screwed up we can just screw it up even more and it won't matter.

I agree that Bwings flying around is a big fricken deal. I don't agree that breaking continuity any more will fix this issue.

Comics also show Han Solo deserting the Empire after the Death Star was built then escaping from Darth Vader in an A-Wing as he dueled Boba Fett with lightsabers. Comics are nowhere to get reference from. And most books detail the same things the movies do. Squadron colors for Rebel ships, nothing less, nothing more.

Are you talking about Marvel Comics? Because straight out they don't count. On Lucas Ranch there is literally a Star Wars Bible. It has everything that has been established as continuity on Star Wars. Every book, every comic, every video game, are explained and connected to each other. Sometimes there are contradictions, for example whenever the movie Openly contradicts a secondary source(books, comics, games) then the Movie is correct 100% of the time. If a video game contradicts a Novel, then the Novel rules out the video game. It's a heirarcy that's used whenever new Star Wars content is created. Except when it comes to SWG which has broken too many rules related to continuity. So again, since it's already screwed up, why not screw it up even more, right?

Try flying for strom squadron and say they're not the best sometime. And fine, they get a red stripe. How about a stripe for the rest of us? Screw this non-existant continuity that's never referenced unless it's to screw over Imperials.

You don't get a stripe, because you are not special. It's that simple. The idea behind the red stripe is that Rebel pilots get scared because they are now going against the best that the Empire has to offer. If every Imperial Pilot and their dog got to put a red stripe on their Tie, then the entire effect is screwed.

Just as with Rebel ships, painted with squadron colors not because Luke really wants to be Red 5, but that's his god damn squadron and that's it's color.

Have you ever noticed the helmets that the Rebel Pilots were wearing? Each one has a different and unique picture on it. Now look at the Imperial Pilots helmets, notice the difference?

Nice speech, too bad it holds no water. That is a fabrication. REBELS DO NOT PAINT THEIR SHIPS. And I don't take what some comic that's not canon and never will be over the movies.

Even in this very game, ALL NPC REBEL SHIPS HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME COLOR SCHEMES. That's uniformity for you.

Unless a character in the movies were going to say, "Rebels never paint their ships to be unique." then it's not continuity and it's left for other Cannoical sources to decide. (read: novels, games, and comics. Yes, they are cannon) Other cannocial sources have shown that Imperials never modify the appearance of their ships. Rebels do.

The Empire is order through military might and obedience to the Emperor. It is NOT the total extinguishment of free thought, the Empire is fascist/aggressive capitalist, not COMMUNIST.

The line between Communist and fascist is a blurry one. Fascists follow the same line of thinking to force obediance among it's populace. If Germans were encouraged to think freely and openly they may begin to wonder why their callous attitude towards jews was okay. The threat to fascist governments is that an educated and brave citizenry will band together and demand independence and democracy, so the governments job is to do everything it can to indoctorate people into thinking the same thing.

How naive are you? Do you think the Rebel Alliance is a friggin youth club? It's a navy! Same as the Empire! All navies have regulations, uniformity, rules, orders to be obeyed, equipment to maintain to a finite standard. Any military force that doesn't do this is generally considered a joke and will be curbstomped into oblivion.

The Alliance is a military organization, but not a first rate one like the Empire would be considered. They literally take what they can get. They're standards for employment are extremly low. 1) Do you hate the Empire? 2) If you don't hate the Empire, will you do it anyways if the price is right?3)Can you fly? Their standars for their equipment is even more rediculous 1) Does it have a weapon? 2) Can it go in space?

That's all that matter for the Rebellion, they don't have the luxury of picking and choosing. They are a ragtag group of guerrila fighters. The only thing that is really important is that you can follow orders. Your comment about being curbstomped into oblivion is very true. And the fact is that the Rebel Alliance was nearly Curb Stopmed into oblivion in each movie. In Yavin IV it was down to the last second and one of the few remaining fighters to prevent the Rebellion's destruction. On Hoth the last major Rebel Base was utterly destroyed, many people and equipment captured, killed, or destroyed. At Endor the Rebels were not far from destruction at all. Ackbar was planning the retreat once it became obvious to him they could not win.

The Rebel Alliance was never a successful military organization, they're exactly what the name implies, Rebels.

Simply because most Star Wars stories present the sympathetic characters on the side of the Rebellion, it does not mean Imperials are all friggin robots.

Maybe they're fighting for their ideals too, to protect their nation from the Rebel scum. Or just to earn a pay check. Quit looking at it in black and white, even soldiers and fiighter pilotsin Nazi Germany weren't drones, only the hardcore Waffen SS freaks were that.

Both sides have individuals, and both follow orders as part of a team. You say Rebels are individuals, I could use your logic and call the battle of Yavin an act of mass suicide where unthinking Rebel drones were sent to their certain deaths, where lack of Rebel individuality prevented their pilots from disobeying "STAY ON TARGET" even while their asses were being shot out of them.

Every shot of Imperials in the movies shows an organization run by White Males. Every ship, every weapon, every uniform is regulation, kept in the best condition possible. Expanded Universe sources back this up. There are stories about "not-evil" Imperials. And they were common, but their power is non-existant. Each "not-evil" Imperial never did one thing to over turn an evil act of the Empire, they were just "following orders", their ability to be independent free thinking minds did not exist.

Rebels you see Humans of all ethnicities, you see females, you see Aliens, you see equipment that is not the same, you see dirty and worn out ships, and bases with junk cluttered everywhere. The only thing keeping them together was their hatred of the Empire and their willingness to work together.

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darthrotten wrote:

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Eans wrote:

THough the rebels are a more organized fleet in Space they also are allowed to customize their ships. If you have read any books or seen the movies the x-wings at least always have diffrent color marking that show what sqadron they are from while the Imerials always had the plain black TIES(excpet for teh 181st which had a red stripe on the side of their interceptors) and all there capital ships were White as white can be (except when we blowem up) The rebels value there independance and what better way than to show diffrent looks on thereships. An since there capital ships came from everywhere they all have diffrent colors marking where they are from.

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Irrelevant, because the paint jobs in this game go far beyond squadron colors, I've seen Reb ships with so many embellishments, they might as well be privateer ships.This is no excuse. Why do Imperial ships have to be bogged down with their uniform colors and low mass while Rebel ships routinely violate canon with their over-personalized textures, not to mention the presence of A and B-Wings before they were invented.

I mean, is there a new continuity rule I'm not aware of in which all canon may be violated, unless it screws Imperial players?

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