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CarpetGunk wrote:

Dingoboi, I've long-since recognized you as nothing but a money-hungry flamer.. and I've long recognized you as an irrational freak who is trying to break the market for legitmate merchants.

So, in response to EVERYTHING you say...

If you think my resource/cpu cost is too LOW - then I make up for it in my labor costs.. My way of thinking is, is that I'm always going to use the best resources possible, so, that is reflected in the labor cost. Well, your way of thinking is irrantional. If you are using the best resources, they are worth at least 4 to 10cpu if not more. Now you tell me you are going to put those resources and sell them essentially at 1cpu with a tiny markup? You are not a businessman and no business on earth would run this way. Luckily, you are really in a galaxy far far far far away since this seems plausible to you. I'd also be interested in your component prices... or did you forget that nearly every damn thing a shipwright makes must be handcrafted? It's not like we can pop most of our schematics into a factory to have them made.. That takes a lot of time. and you are selling at less than 2cpu or so?

Your hateful and immature remarks are not being met with complete agreement here, so back off, chill out and figure out what YOU'RE going to sell them for.. I'd LOVE to see you justify YOUR prices.. I can, resouce cost to acquire, resource value if I just sold them outright, my time.... there, justified. Apparantly you've really not considered any of this, but again, you don't care about profit nor your time nor the value of the resources you will use in your ships.

Keep in mind, DINGO, that your customers ALSO have to pay to have their ship turned into a chassis, pay for it to be equipped (if not with looted parts), etc...Keep in mind that this is of absolutely no concern of a shipwright. You like to bring this up but it is irrelivant. Resources and time spent determine price.. not the fact that they have to pay chassis broker.

So, again, back off, and post YOUR prices and JUSTIFY THEM and THEN we'll have a debate, ok? well, i was trying, but you seem to just want to spew more gibberish.

Your posts are getting boring. and your posts are getting more and more asinine each day you talk about 'reasonable' pricing. Just admit you are selling below market. Admit you are trying to crash the market.

There's always a few like you who want to do it for the 'good' of the server. Selling below market.. well, it's your choice to be stupid, just 'fess up to what you are doing.

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OckVofad wrote:

Ok guys. As you well know the value of experimentation on the chassis is pretty minimal. Using high quality resources will only get you 200-300 more kg of mass. It makes alot more sense to use cheap bulk resources to build the chassis and sell them for less as the poster is doing. agreed, but economies are not the same on each server. Maybe junk resorces do sell for 1cpu on his server.. fine.. sell at zero real profit... but he is using quality resources remember.. not junk.. i know on our server, you can find most junk at 2cpu and some clearance stuff as low as 1 on rare occasion.

You then make high quality experimented components and sell them for a better rate. Its the razor and razor blades scenario. Personally, when you consider the buyer is also going to have to go to the chassis dealer and "rebuy" his ship, these are reasonable prices that Carpetgunk has posted. this has absolutely nothing to do with the shipwright and doesn't warrant factoring in to reducing your price.

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and let's not forget this is the same jergo that was banned from beta and forums for nda violations

Message Edited by DingoBoi on 10-22-2004 02:36 AM

Dingo - I've harvested each and every one of MY resources, myself. I'll sell them for what I want to sell them for.

I didn't even really read all your post.. I have to deal with enough rude and greedy people in real life.

Oh, and Dingo, I was never banned from Beta.. I can log on right now and meet you for a little shipwright-duel if you like. And yes, I was banned from the beta FORUMS, for posting prices too early... I made a mistake. LOL! So what?!

LOL Dingo... You're so funny bro.

1) I harvest my own resources, and all of the millions of resources I have are at least 4 or 5 star quality. I'll sell them for what I want.
2) The prices are not unreasonable, considering I have a fair labor cost included in the price.
3) I'm not greedy
4) I'm not immature
5) I like having fun
6) I like seeing friends have fun
7) You're mad because you were probably one of the creature handlers when mounts were introduced.... lol
8) Go away! Look at the post's star rating and the comments in the thread which are for the most part, positive!

9) Go away!

10) LOL! Go away!

Edit: 11) My server is having a healthy, supportive, positive discussion of prices.. If prices need to be adjusted DOWN THE ROAD, then MAYBE they'll be adjusted.. Since WE'VE NEVER HAD SHIPS BEFORE - I'm trying to START THE SHIP ECONOMY and... GO FROM THERE.

Grow up and go charge your mom's credit card for another month.

Message Edited by CarpetGunk on 10-21-2004 08:46 PM

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CarpetGunk wrote:
Oh, and Dingo, I was never banned from Beta..yup, sure ya weren't.. that's why you kept spamming the forums that you were quitting. I can log on right now and meet you for a little shipwright-duel if you like. And yes, I was banned from the beta FORUMS, for posting prices too early... I made a mistake. LOL! So what?! if it wasn't such a big deal, why were you such a crybaby about it?

LOL Dingo... You're so funny bro.

1) I harvest my own resources, and all of the millions of resources I have are at least 4 or 5 star quality. I'll sell them for what I want. that is your right, but admit you are purposefully selling under the normal range of market value. 4 or 5 star resources do not go for 1cpu. Just admit you are doing this and admit that your 'reasonable' prices are far from reasonable to most sellers who have a vague concept of economy.
2) The prices are not unreasonable, considering I have a fair labor cost included in the price. less than 2cpu for 'uber' resources? kthanxbye
3) I'm not greedy no, you aren't greedy. You are stupid. there is a difference.
4) I'm not immature actually, you are. You threw quite a tantrum when you banned you.
5) I like having fun
6) I like seeing friends have fun
7) You're mad because you were probably one of the creature handlers when mounts were introduced.... lol actually no. I plan to sell competatively myself, but I am not going to be selling ships for less than the resources are worth. That is just outright stupid. I agree with you though, that you have every right to be stupid.
8) Go away! Look at the post's star rating and the comments in the thread which are for the most part, positive! everybody wants things cheap. I'm just pointing out to you that you are underselling the market by a vast amount. Whether you want to acknowledge that or not is your problem, but you are in denial.

9) Go away!

10) LOL! Go away!

Edit: 11) My server is having a healthy, supportive, positive discussion of prices.. If prices need to be adjusted DOWN THE ROAD, then MAYBE they'll be adjusted.. Since WE'VE NEVER HAD SHIPS BEFORE - I'm trying to START THE SHIP ECONOMY and... GO FROM THERE. mmkay... ask an architect how that worked with houses.. /lol

Grow up and go charge your mom's credit card for another month. /juvenile

Message Edited by CarpetGunk on 10-21-2004 08:46 PM

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Dingoboi - I'm done with you! /salute

Message Edited by Padime_D on 10-21-2004 09:36 PM

Im probably gonna do a long term debt paying as I always do for a ship. ( Has such nice friends and has always payed off his debts.)

Costs about .21 cpu to mine something, if you power it with a fusion running on a 50% spot, and the heavy is on an 80% concentration. A harvester on an 80% concentration will pull in a bit over 100k resources in 7 days. So long as you watch SWGcraft and keep your nose to your survey tool, your harvs can sit for a long long time without having to be moved.

Message Edited by Marzuk147 on 10-22-2004 02:28 AM