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Thread: Tie's have no hyperdrive
DaPitts wrote:
Wow
All i can say is WOW
What started out as such a good thread has turned into nothing more than 2 sides too stubborn to see each others points.
For those of you who wish not to read all 11 pages to catch up on all the harsh words said then let me help recap.
There are two sides to this argument (as there should be)
One side is saying that Technically speaking there is no way phisically posible, with the litirature at hand, to cram sheilds and hyper drives into a Tie fighter with out modifying the body.
The other side is saying since its just a game and just a fantasy world then any thing is possible including putting shilds and hyper drives in the Tie fighter body.
Ifor one can see both sides of the argument and as an outsider to this argument can see how both sides have thier points and have thier faults. I am an avid starwars fan and hope with all my heart that JTLS does well. I hope that how ever the devs go in this situation that they will try and make it fun and real to the Star wars universe to the best of thier abilities.
None of us are perfect and I feel that there needs to be a better aproch to the situation.
Helrayzer... I understand your point and I beleve that you know your stuff in both RL and in the Starwars Universe... But im gonna have to say that you need some serious work on how to deal with a person who in all intents and porposes is just messing with your emotions, and has taken the argument way out in left field.
Metroid.... I also understand your point of view where you beleve that this is just a fantasy thought up in some ones mind. That a Tie Fighter is a figment of an imagination. that some one thought it up so some one can obviously think up of a way to put shield and a hyper drive on..... But Metroid you need to learn to be more diplomatic with your own opinion. True you defanatly want to state it but the only way your ever going to convince any one of your point is to be respectful of others opinions? I understand that the other side has stooped to your level and done the same. But its not a good reason to continue
GENTELMEN.... you have both made your points and backed them up to the best of your abilities...
IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON!!!!
Good Recap..... Im personally on the side that its not physically possible to fit shields and hyperdrives in, heck they cant even fit life support it...... but ill budge on the life support..... maybe.....
The single-seater short-range vessel lacks, nor has the capability to havea hyperdrive, (due to overheating, and space) and as such requires deployment from launch bases and capital ships. It features two fire-linked laser cannons chin-mounted on the ball-shaped cockpit.
TIE fighters were typically employed en masse to make up for their shortcomings. Speedy and maneuverable, these fighters are nonetheless fragile. Though hard to hit, even a glancing blow can destroy a TIE.
Though TIEs presented a formidable challenge to pirates and civilian craft, the skilled pilots of the Rebel Alliance made short work of them in combat. The Alliance workhorse, the T-65 X-wing starfighter, continually bested the TIE in numerous engagements. -StarWars.com
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Message Edited by Obi-Wan-Keneli on 05-23-2004 08:29 PM
KaelThalas wrote:
Anyone notice most the people opposed to TIEs having hyperdrives are rebels? Wonder why that is....
Because you can't show us a solid argument to support why should TIE FIGHTERs have hyperdrive. And, i case you haven't noticed, many Imperials are bashing this DEV's decision too.
And to all those that say it violates continuty, it does not. In the movies TIEs were owned by the Empire, build to the Empire's specs, exta.
And these specs were: "We don't care how many pilots would we lose, just shot the damn Rebels down!!!"
In this game, even if we are a member of the Empire/Rebels, we are not a member of it in any chain of command or order sense. We are free to go from planet to planet and do as we wish, if we were true members of the Empire, we'd be AWOL prob. Now with that established, these TIEs would be privately owned, they would be player's. And because they are owned by players, and not the Empire, they do not have to be the same TIE fighters in the movies. It is for this reason that TIEs can have hyperdrive.
Well, TIEs can have hyperdrive, but not TIE FIGHTERs.
I recall in one of the books, someone did install a hyperdrive in a TIE, so the reason TIEs in the moveis dont have hyperdrives is not b/c they cant fit or whatever, but because the Empire does not wish them to have hyperdrives.
No, Empire don't wish that. Empire wanted a Starfighter that was easy to produce, easy to control and deadly to opponent. Hence the creation of TIE FIGHTER. All advanced technology (including life support systems, shields, hyperdrive and warhead launchers)was abandoned during that creation process in the sake of lighter hull, greater speed and maneveurability and deadlier lasers. Because of that, TIE FIGHTER was easy to produce in mass qunatities and was fairly expendable.
But to answer your argument - TIE FIGHTERs can't have hyperdrive or shields (I would survive if they had shields, but not hyperdrive) because their's power generators aren't capable of sustaining such massive energy requirements. Yes, you can place a third solar wing on TIE FIGHTER to gain more energy, but by doing that you end up with TIE DEFENDER instead.
And on a side note, the science of Star Wars is not scientific, which makes nearly everything in the Star Wars universe possible. We all know that with lightspeed, you cannot cross the halfway across the galaxy in a few days, and we know the space physics are not accurate.
Ok, I want a beam system just like in Star Trek. Then I wantA - Wings capable of destroying an Executor type ships without damage.
This is stupid. There are just some things in the continuitythat should be always followed - like the TIE FIGHTER issue.
Also by saying it wont fit, if you look at a TIE, I would argue then that the engines cannot fit. Discarding space physics, an X-Wing has 4 larger engines, a TIE has 2 tiny engines, but yet the TIE is faster, there is no scientific explanation on why that is.
First, X - Wing is larger than TIE FIGHTER. Second, X - Wing sacrifices their power to shields. And third, just because you have more exhaust it doesn't mean that your car is quicker than mine.
So there you have it, yes it is possible to fit a hyperdrive, for those 2 different reasonings; 1 being its possibile, the other being Star Wars isnt scientific, so take your pick, either way TIEs CAN have hyperdrive.
Ok.
1. - It' not possible to mount a hyperdrive on a TIE FIGHTER without either sacrificing it's speed or giving it more power - esentially becoming TIE DEFENDER.
2. - Star Wars is scientific, at least in that. Otherwise the Empire would have won with only one TIE FIGHTER because they are technogically more advanced (the Empire) than the Rebel Alliance.
Yea I mean if the rebels are so bent on continuity, un nerf the ATST and other fixes like:
Make the ATST heavy armor and 75% resists and PvE attackable to ALL targets.
Make ST's Medium armor and 200% more accurate and thier attacks all Heavy Armor Piercing.
Make All imperial faction perk costs like 50%-75% cheaper.
Allow Imperials only to summon more than 1 personal factional support (up to a FULL group).
Allow cloning for only high ranking Imperial Officers.
Allow AT-AT as a faction perk, and give the rebels thier counter, a snowspeeder, and only allow it to be called on Ice planets.
Make the E-11, T-21, and any otherwise Imperial weapon, Overt Imperial only.
Give all Imperials a weekly stipend for serving the Empire.
I'll think of more later...
Nouva wrote:
Yea I mean if the rebels are so bent on continuity, un nerf the ATST and other fixes like:
Make the ATST heavy armor and 75% resists and PvE attackable to ALL targets.
Make ST's Medium armor and 200% more accurate and thier attacks all Heavy Armor Piercing.
Make All imperial faction perk costs like 50%-75% cheaper.
Allow Imperials only to summon more than 1 personal factional support (up to a FULL group).
Allow cloning for only high ranking Imperial Officers.
Allow AT-AT as a faction perk, and give the rebels thier counter, a snowspeeder, and only allow it to be called on Ice planets.
Make the E-11, T-21, and any otherwise Imperial weapon, Overt Imperial only.
Give all Imperials a weekly stipend for serving the Empire.
These are issues for GCW rebalance. To be honest, these are quite a few idead and some of them are really impressive and worth doing, but the again, post it on GCW instead.
Just because some things are broken doesn't mean we can't fight for new things to *not* be broken. And sorry for so many negatives in one sentence.
Zendekka wrote:
Wait a minute, we can have Wookies flying around in Tie Fighters, andpeople arewhining about the fact that player Tie Fighters have hyperdrive engines?
Mama Mia!
Oh yah. Wookiees in TIE's. Shouldnt even be able to become an imp. I think theyre complaining bout the fact that TIE means Twin-Ion Engines, and now it has got a hyperdrive? 
Notice what Han said. Something bout "Impossible. A ship of this size cannot get this deep into space."
Message Edited by HelRayzer on 05-24-2004 05:34 PM