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Thread: Master level missions: a SOLUTION to make everyone happy.
WaywardSoul
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:40 am
#248
hasibert wrote:
Thunderheart wrote:
On Tuesday, we will be seeing some changes here:
Re: Master level missions: a SOLUTION to make everyone happy.
- Kessel becomes a PvE zone
- Master Pilot Boxes can be attained without PvP
Very sad decision...you're taking away content from players who like PvP. I don't unterstand this decision.
Please search another solution for the no-pvp-to-master-problem.
What about the neutral pilots who enjoyed being able to be on one side or the other. You are killing this aspect for us.
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:47 am
#249
Thunderheart wrote:
john_p wrote:
GotEgg wrote:
It's very disapointing to see these changes coming - Kessel was a very fun place (and no i'm not master, i'm 3333). It was fun because it created the feeling of danger. I can see why you changed it - The vast majority of players in this game can't handle anything that may possibly cause them to lose. They've been pampered by underpowered mobs, and success on a silver platter. As soon as you put something in the game that may actually be dangerous, they all cry out in unison that it's not fair.
I've been taken down in Kessel several times, as well as taken out a few people - it adds to the feeling... everytime a player comes near, you feel like you are in very big trouble... there is nowhere in the game (except deep space now) where this feeling of impending doom surrounds you... i will miss it.
THEN GO OVERT BEFORE YOU TRANSFER TO KESSEL
JTL Overt = I want to PVP
JTL Covert = I do not want to PVP
Correct - you can still play PvP in the zone. Just hit a Faction Space Station and declare...
What about us neutrals who get the message "Pick a side before you talk to me again" message from all factional space stations??
Yezzo
Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:58 am
#250
GotEgg wrote:
It's very disapointing to see these changes coming - Kessel was a very fun place (and no i'm not master, i'm 3333). It was fun because it created the feeling of danger.[...]
I've been taken down in Kessel several times, as well as taken out a few people - it adds to the feeling... everytime a player comes near, you feel like you are in very big trouble... there is nowhere in the game (except deep space now) where this feeling of impending doom surrounds you... i will miss it.
I have never been to Kessel, and have nothing to say about whetherit should be PvEor PvP there.
However, I too get a feeling of that danger is not very welcome in this game. I want to be forced to beon the edge more often.
ReconSOC
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:04 am
#251
That's stupid. Go do the mission, it's not that hard folks and far from impossible.
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:07 am
#252
truewildman wrote:
Thunderheart wrote:
john_p wrote:
GotEgg wrote:
It's very disapointing to see these changes coming - Kessel was a very fun place (and no i'm not master, i'm 3333). It was fun because it created the feeling of danger. I can see why you changed it - The vast majority of players in this game can't handle anything that may possibly cause them to lose. They've been pampered by underpowered mobs, and success on a silver platter. As soon as you put something in the game that may actually be dangerous, they all cry out in unison that it's not fair.
I've been taken down in Kessel several times, as well as taken out a few people - it adds to the feeling... everytime a player comes near, you feel like you are in very big trouble... there is nowhere in the game (except deep space now) where this feeling of impending doom surrounds you... i will miss it.
THEN GO OVERT BEFORE YOU TRANSFER TO KESSEL
JTL Overt = I want to PVP
JTL Covert = I do not want to PVP
Correct - you can still play PvP in the zone. Just hit a Faction Space Station and declare...
What about us neutrals who get the message "Pick a side before you talk to me again" message from all factional space stations??
Why did I get one-starred for this?? It's a valid concern.
Many are saying, "What's the big deal? Declare and go to Kessel!"
One problem with that: What about us neutrals who wish to remain neutral and like the RP aspect of being able to attack and be attackable by both sides?
Now, as a pre-master, if I want to PvP, I can't. All factional space stations tell me "Pick a side before you talk to me again". There is no neutral declaration.
I cannot PvP in space at all now. Period. I've never PvP'd before and wanted to try it. The devs wanted non-PvPers to give it a try, now I can't.
Naquiel
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:34 am
#253
Another thing to add to this that many are probably not looking at is that the only reason that many ppl wanted the master title was to get there multiplayer ship to play with. Now what would happen if the devs moved the certs for the MP ships to 4xxx. You would see many ppl that would not even of cared to get the master title once they got there mp ship. So why not just change the cert for mp ships and then the mission can stay and kesel can stay pvp. The only thing that will be left in the master box will be certs for the master combat ships like the bwing, and lvl 10 parts that would pretty much be for combat anyway.
And before some says that they need the master title for the new content, well guess what , the only new content right now is a pvp zone. And there wont be new content till after the combat update(the devs did post this). And since kesel is going to be pve, well i expect it to be beefed up a bit. To let you know, it dont take a week to flip a switch on a zone to make it pve, the devs are taking a week to add stuff to make the zone harder.
Krepar
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:56 am
#255
Umm... just saw the post and im sorry, but cant be assed to read 12 pages of essays...
but why dont you just move the Vette mission to somewhere out of Kessel?
Would that be such a bad thing?!
im sorry if someones already posted this, but im not in the mood for reading everything...
Dont Nerf Kessel down to PvE....
Krase
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:58 am
#256
Thunderheart wrote:
Kade_Deveron wrote:
TH,
Are there any plans for a % reduction on PvP damage for JTLS? Right now, pretty much EVERYONE is a one shot kill.
Yep
Yes, please. Khade did a one shot kill on me the other night. of course i was in a level one ship and he was in a tie bomber. it was Accept duel, blammo. you are dead.
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:02 am
#257
Krase wrote:
Thunderheart wrote:
Kade_Deveron wrote:
TH,
Are there any plans for a % reduction on PvP damage for JTLS? Right now, pretty much EVERYONE is a one shot kill.
Yep
Yes, please. Khade did a one shot kill on me the other night. of course i was in a level one ship and he was in a tie bomber. it was Accept duel, blammo. you are dead.
Ground PvP Take 2. May as well give us ship composite armor, too.
Please don't do a reduction. How about putting something in that will allow shipwrights to beef up the shields and armor?
Like looted adders to give to shipwrights to beef it up? Something. Anything, but a damage reduction. Do we not learn anything from history? Is our hindsight not 20/20??
Snarils
Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:20 am
#258
Why not just move the master Mission out of Kessel?
The problem is people are going there for the master mission with the intent of PVE, And are being griefed by players who are camping waiting for people to zone in..then open fire.
Most times this results in the people zoning in not being able to defend against the attack at all.
The PVP'ers call it skill. But Camping someone who is zoning into Kessel is not skill. it's childish.
MobusDyrus
Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:23 am
#259
lovewillkill wrote:
Thunderheart wrote:I've talked to a lot of players who are just "regular players" and having a tough time with it.It's a Master mission. They're SUPPOSED to have a tough time with it. I fully expect to get shot to heck the first few times I try it. Anyone who thinks the mission should be easy simply needs to readjust their expectations and their work ethic.C
I agree. Except about "work ethic". There's no such thing in swg. IT'S NOT REAL LIFE. It's just a game. One that you come to expecting to get away from all the work of rl, not enter into a new world of endless grinds and impossible thingy majiggers. But pilot is not an endless grind, and the master missions are not impossible. They're fun and balanced. They force you to group and fight alongside the people in that group. Grouping used to be what made swg so much fun. JTL, for now, brings it back. =)
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:23 am
#260
Snarils wrote:
The PVP'ers call it skill. But Camping someone who is zoning into Kessel is not skill. it's childish.
PvP'ers most certainly do not! Some, a very small percentage of PvPers do it to get a laugh. Stop generalizing.