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Washell wrote:
There are no 20 to 30 year old fighter planes in service. The G-forces they pull produce such a stress on the airframe that they don't pass inspection within a limited amount of years. It gets dismantled, components will be inspected, refurbished and used as spare parts. Only the basic design lasts 30 years.

That's what I meant.......The planes design is that old not the planes themselves ......Those old designs remain top of the line when compared to their competition......your right...its a key distinction.

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Warmaker01 wrote:
For those that have forgotten:

This game was set Post-Episode IV.

This makes the game set in the age of the Empire.

This makes the Old Republic and Seperatist organization, gone.

This makes the war going on right now is the Galactic Civil War, NOT the Clone Wars.

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What game are you playing? it sure isnt SWG.

Again, timeline, means squat. It is not a rule or consideration that is adhered to by the people who make this game. They chose not to follow any set in stone timeline parameters. Hell, on some servers the rebellion is stronger then the Empire! You have the emperor and darth vader and what is tantamount to the imperial remant coexisting! So seriously, any timeline parameter arguments simply dont hold any weight in this game.

What you have to look at, is what is acutally in play, and how it compares on a balance scale. And looking at that scale, the Actis shoudlnt have 90K mass.

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Ducimus wrote:
I dont think timeline is a good argument for or against anything in SWG. As it clearly does not adhere to any one timeline. Nor did i ever consider the age of a ship a good argument for or against the Actis.

Age and timeline is purely fictional. You can say whatever you want to fill in any holes. What does matter is the here and now, and what is acutaully in play. I finally got off my lazy arse and did the actis quest about 4 days ago. My first trip up in that thing, and i could see why ppl zealously guard this ship and fear for its nerfing. Its TOO damn good. I'll be the first to admit, its a joy to fly, but its just too good.

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Where we are in the "timeline" of Star Wars makes a huge difference. Some of us, do care enough where the game is set in, with respect to the movies specifically. Trying to adhere to the timeline and basic storyline of Star Wars keeps things from getting out of hand.

How ridiculous would it be to see a fleet of Imperator Class Star Destroyers, with a Venator Class Star Destroyer or two thrown in? Please disregard that SWG / JTL can't handle more than one ISD.

What about squadrons of Droid Fighters in the Galactic Civil War?

What about seeing units of Clonetroopers squaring off against Battle Droids during the GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?

Or, let's reincarnate Darth Revan and Darth Bane to bring about another Sith War (but let's disregard Vader and Palpatine because SWG tosses continuity out the window).

Let us bring the E-Wing into JTL, but nevermind the E-Wing wasn't developed until well into the New Republic.

Let us have the B22 and JSF be technologically and numerically superior to the starfighters of the Galactic Civil War... superior the X-Wing, A-Wing, TIE Advanced, etc. So superior, that they are more than twice as agile than the highly maneuverable A-Wing and TIE Adv./TIE Interceptor/Imp.Guard TIE Int., with almost twice the possible mass, and twice the possible armament. My bad, the devs did that already.

Heck, while we're at it, let's bring back Obi-Wan and the entire Jedi Order. Oops, the devs are already halfway done with that.

Continuity is there but the devs choose to disregard it in favor of anything and everything NOT set in the time of the Original Trilogy. And the result we get is the current joke of SWG's feel for the Galactic Civil War.

Ill say it again, Timeline means squat here.

Why? Because it is not adhered to by the developers. SWG is a hodgepodge if "timeline" for the sake of the almighty dollar. Now if the devs ever held to a timeline, and advanced it periodiclaly, (kinda like the Asheron's Call games do with their advancing storyline), then timeline arguments would have weight. Until such time, timeline means two things, jack, and schitt - And jack left town.

Committing another wrong since there's already another wrong results in... just another wrong.

Like I said: Completely disregarding continuity for the sake of it results in this horrid mix that we have in SWG / JTL.

When was the last time you see more classical Original Trilogy / GCW craft, outnumber the B22s and JSFs out there in space?

When was the last time you regularly saw Rebel players battling Imperial players who were all clad in Stormtrooper or Scout Trooper armor?

When was the last time you even saw the majority of combatants in typical GCW occurences composed of normal player troops?

How much more common is it to see someone wearing Clonetrooper Armor than ANY of the GCW Factional Armors (even if counting the Imperial ones alone)?

Again, alot of continuity has been disregarded; tossing the basic story of the Original Trilogy out the window. The way it is in SWG now, Luke Skywalker means absolutely NOTHING. Throwing more continuity out the window for the sake of saying, "well, it's already started" isn't the right move to set things straight in this game. To get things to even feel like something from the Original Trilogy.

For those that have forgotten:

This game was set Post-Episode IV.

This makes the game set in the age of the Empire.

This makes the Old Republic and Seperatist organization, gone.

This makes the war going on right now is the Galactic Civil War, NOT the Clone Wars.

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Ducimus wrote:

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Warmaker01 wrote:
For those that have forgotten:

This game was set Post-Episode IV.

This makes the game set in the age of the Empire.

This makes the Old Republic and Seperatist organization, gone.

This makes the war going on right now is the Galactic Civil War, NOT the Clone Wars.

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What game are you playing? it sure isnt SWG.

Again, timeline, means squat. It is not a rule or consideration that is adhered to by the people who make this game. They chose not to follow any set in stone timeline parameters. Hell, on some servers the rebellion is stronger then the Empire! You have the emperor and darth vader and what is tantamount to the imperial remant coexisting! So seriously, any timeline parameter arguments simply dont hold any weight in this game.

What you have to look at, is what is acutally in play, and how it compares on a balance scale. And looking at that scale, the Actis shoudlnt have 90K mass.

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My opinion still holds.

The timeline truly does matter. Why? Right now the current slew of devs have little regard of continuity and the timeline. What do we have? This "mutant" of SWG that we have now. In my earlier replies, I have already covered the serious inconsistencies.

Again, continuing to toss continuity out the window since it's already started is still wrong. We'll just continue having a "mutant" b***ard child of SWG.

The game when I joined in Feb.2004 was focused on the Original Trilogy and the Galactic Civil War. There was alot of improvement needed back then, yes. But the devs haven't done a complete 180 and make all things Prequel related dominate the game. I've given enough evidence of that in my earlier replies. And the end result is a game that is supposed to be set in the Original Trilogy, but now wants to restart the Clone Wars. It is a game where X-Wings, TIEs, and other classical Original Trilogy ships are rare in the GCW when the few players square off.

Vader, Luke, and Leia, arriving via shuttle at a city and acting as a mission terminal does not constitute a story arc.

We're given Clonetrooper Armor and BARC Speeders, all prequel era equipment. But the AT-AT is still ultra rare that I'm willing to wager that 99% of the SWG player base hasn't seen an AT-AT in-game. Yet, you can see Droidekas and SBDs regularly, all droids from the defeated Seperatists from a war long ago.

Rage Of The Wookies had more to do with the Prequels than the Original Trilogy.

This upcoming expansion introduces Mustafar to SWG. And Hoth is still in the trash bin. SWG is regressing into the Old Republic. We're going back to Episode III, not Episode V.

The devs need to make their mind up. Fix and try to adhere to the Original Trilogy and the Galactic Civil War.

Or, for them to come out to say, "We're completely going to $ell out to the Prequels. We're deleting the Empire and Rebel Alliance since we don't give a rat's *** about the Original Trilogy. We'll remove the X-Wings, TIEs, Star Destroyer, Stormtroopers and Rebel Troops. We'll replace them all with the Republic and Seperatist movement. V-Wings, ARC-170s, Droid Fighters, etc., will be the main starfighters. Venators will replace the ISDs. Clonetroopers will replace the Stormtroopers. Everyone gets a Jedi at startup (we've been pushing this earlier). We're going to put Droidekas and Super Battle Droids all over the place (oh, wait, we've already done that)."

Actually, the devs don't need to make that announcement. They're halfway done with implementing the removal of anything related to the Empire and Alliance altogether.

I love playing Ping pong, don't you?

Ducimus wrote:

Back up on the analogy a bit....
Let see the F-4 was in the 70's...
What was flying in the 40's....Oh a P51....

Let roll it back a bit more....
P51 in the 40's...
Sopwith Camel in the 20's......

Although technology may not evolve in times of peace, they make great leaps and bounds in times of strife.
So depending on when and where you look at the change in in technology you have to keep things in prespective.
The thing is times of strife is what has been going on in Starwars from EP1 to EP6 so technology HAS to marginally improve in comparison to previous generations.

Message Edited by Slysix on 08-24-2005 12:28 AM

>>Not true. The Timeline mean squat only to those people who never gave a S*** about it in the first place. To everyone else, it means a lot.


The question you should be asking yourself, is what does timeline mean to the games developers?

Pose that question to THEM, and ill bet that *if* they answer it at all, you'll get a tapdance in wordsmithing.

Personnaly, as timeline goes im of two thoughts:
1.) Make it like Asheron's Call that strictly followed a timeline. Hell even the calander year progressed from month to month.

or

2.) Your right i don't care. I enjoy watching the movies, i enjoyed the old sims, but im not a hardcore fan. I play SWG over other MMO's purely for mechanial and gameplay variety reasons. Not because its star wars. I could care less about the backdrop. Personnaly, back when SWG as first announced, i thought sony was tredding in dangerous waters. From Everquest i learned that RPG fans are a rabid bunch, but SW or even ST? THey will NEVER get it right, EVER. There is no amount of reasearch or programming they could do to get it correct enough to please serious fans of fictional universes such as star wars or star trek. They will always find something wrong and yell about it.

Ok, so the Devs couldn't care less about the backdrop, timeline, ect. But thats why there are posts such as this one, hoping that some amount of frustration from the people who pay and play the game will keep whats remaining of the timeline in check. And its not that we're a rabid bunch, for the most part I was ok with all the changes made up to the release of ROTW,I even enjoy the CU more than the old system; And then I found out that all the prequal stuff was better than the original gear... Ok... I could deal with that.... But then they announced the new expansion, and no doubt we're getting new prequal crap. That I cant deal with. If we just lay down and take it, the next thing we know, we'll be playing Jurrasic Park Online...

>>the next thing we know, we'll be playing Jurrasic Park Online...

actually i think we're going to be playing KOTR online Its been that way for awhle, but this upcoming expansion stands to make it offical