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Thread: Space Game does need to be a part of ground game
DeepFatFryer wrote:
MikeMonger1 wrote:
DeepFatFryer wrote:
Jedi can bugger off, they've ruined the ground-game enough already.
Lets keep the space-game with some feeling of Star Wars.
Jedi destroy the Star Wars feeling.
Uh, ok. Since all 6 movies, and most of the books, and a lot of the games, all center around jedi, that makes tons of sense.
Heck, the only difference between a jedi and any other combat class in this game is that there's nothing that can reduce lightsaber damage. You can work a template that'll give you abilities that simulate most of a jedi's force powers.
I think what really destroyed the ground game was that it all became reduced to getting buffs, going up to a critter, and spamming special attacks.
How many Jedi are there in the time period we're playing?
Obi's gone the way of the dodo.
Luke is just getting out of being a wide-eyed farmboy and becoming a bloke - he's not a Jedi yet.
All other Jedi are in hiding.
There should not be any player Jedi available for the eye to see.
At the most we should have less than 1% of the population at the very most having access to a lightsabre or rudimentary force powers. We shouldn't go to a starport and see about 1/4 of the people there running around with lightsabres dueling and saying 'I R PWN JOO!'. Vader would come and chop them into tiny, ickle pieces.
Consistancy. Hmmm.
1. I don't think that Sienar Systems let just anyone with some harvesters manufacture as many tie fighters as they wanted. The tie advanced and oppressor are new and experimental, and yet there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of shipwrights who can crank them out.
2. I always remember seeing people using blasters in Star Wars. Most people in game use swords, pikes, hammers, etc.
3. What's with creature handlers being able to bust out rancors in Kimos in the middle of major cities?
4. While we're on that topic, I thought that rancors, kimo's, and krayts were among the deadliest, most feared critters in the galaxy. Even near-jedi Luke Skywalker couldn't go toe to toe with one. And yet, get some buffs, some armor, and a weapon, and you can solo any one of them with relative ease.
5. I don't remember Han, Leia, and the ewoks standing on a buff line before they went to tackle the shield generator on Endor.
etc., etc.
This is a GAME. "Jedi are supposed to be extinct." "Jedi are supposed to be in hiding." None of that matters. Because this is a GAME. There are going to be inconsistancies. It's silly to whine about one, and ignore the many, many, many others.
from the begining, jtl was designed to be a twitch based game. there are _NO_ 'skill modifiers' in space.
your skill is determined by the skill between your ears. if you are slow and have a pos controler, you will suck. do not expect anyone to do anything to make you equal. you just suck. sorry.
remember, someone is always better than you. that's life. until you die. then it's over.
search the boards for 'jtl and jedi' and you will find plenty of answers.
inperial_lacky wrote:
the thing is... jedi are extremly powerfull and do have extremly powerfull flying abilites... look at jaina solo! she is one of the new republic best pilots and she even gets the nickname sticks, because of her lightsaber and steering yoke.anakin solois a hell of a pilot. Luke skywalker is a hell of a pilot... he can pilot the falcon as the main pilot, the co pilot and the gunners with outeven breaking a sweatas proving in the end of "the courtship of princess leia" which is onepowerfull thing... i mean come on,jedi are fricken powerfull and if swg is gonna go for a sw realistic lookjedi have to have more power and space, but it has to cost skill points, for exmple, jedi starfighter pilot class... it might excist,they can senselasers comeing anddodge,reflexes are improved and there faster,quicker then any normal pilot.heck anyone know corran horn? rouge squadron pilot turn jedi...hm... darth vadar is a good pilot, obi-wanhas some okay skills, the only reason though he survivedjango fett is because he well...has the force.
istrongly hope the jedi don't get space powers though, because face it... idon't want to be forced to go jedi to enjoy being a ace.also, the force can make ships move faster, at the danger of the ships hall whoever said that.hm... well.... i think its a greatidea though to incorperatethat stations you can dock with and just well,walk around, that would be incredible, heck, maybe spacestations can bepurchased andused as houses!? that would be cool, though they would be fully destrible it would be great tohave a nice like station hidden by a asteriod... anyway, most of these things are far off. Hm... though i think itwould be a good idea for people to be forced to go into space to hyperdrive, itmakes more people becoming intrested in jtl and improves the game experence.well, thats my 2 cents.
Ok enough about Jedi.
This was about space and the ground game becoming one. Right now its pretty seperate and space is isolated as an option if you want to go to space. Not as a means of getting to a planet which is kind of silly. Hence there will be no reason for galctic space battles due to the Star Trek feel of beaming from planet to planet.
This is Jump to Lightspeed, not Jump to Warpspeed.
LMAO! I had to go there eh?
Message Edited by Warlock8806 on 01-05-2005 10:43 PM
Seriously, you can do the same thing what Luke did in ANH.Turn off your HUD - reticle andradar -and see if you can still land a shot on your target. I believe you can given a few minutes of practice, so here you go, you used the 'Force' ina twitch game. Use your imagination instead of ask the devs to give youa Force powerequivalent ofan aimbot.
MikeMonger1 wrote:
SpecWar1 wrote:
lexington23 wrote:
If they make jedi hunted in space then they will have to provide some jedi benefits for space as well. I'd rather not open that can of worms.
So for one item you would ignore it all based on that? I wouldnt....
There were no Jedi flying with the exception of OBI One and he didnt fair to well against the Firespray owner Jango. Actually he had to seriously haul Butt to get away from him then trick the missle into thinking the spare parts was actually his ship. Did Obi One actually go fight him again with his lighting speed relfexes? Nope.
Even Anikan when flying was still limited to his engine and parts. Just because you have the force dosent mean your parts are going to increase their load or increase the abilities.
In space your subjected to equipment, brains, and guts.
I dont think Jedi would argue that point.....
Message Edited by SpecWar1 on 01-05-2005 02:01 PM
Uh, you're forgetting a little movie called "A New Hope"
You know, where LS fires his proton torpedoes guided by the Force, and not his targeting computer, and blows the Death Star up.
So, yeah. A big precedent has been set for force powers in space in the SW universe. Jedi would indeed argue the point.
Message Edited by Amuro0079 on 01-06-2005 03:48 PM
Uh, you're forgetting a little movie called "A New Hope"
You know, where LS fires his proton torpedoes guided by the Force, and not his targeting computer, and blows the Death Star up.
So, yeah. A big precedent has been set for force powers in space in the SW universe. Jedi would indeed argue the point.
Well I said jedi. He was no Jedi when this happend but a Pilot. I understand the point though but still he was subjected to his equipment and didnt make him an anybetter pilot then anyone else.
His will of the force allowed him to shoot a nerf foot ball into a goal the size of a womprat from a ship.... that is about the extent of it all. But let me say this, he was burned by a NON JEDI pilot when R2 got cooked. So yeah I can see your point to an extent and that is about as far as the argument would go.
Also if you want to be technical.... the only jedi that was flying on that fateful day the deathstar was blown up was.... none other then... Darth Vader. His butt was blown into a spinning cycle through out the galaxy caused by a certain smuggler HAN SOLO. The force did not help him that day. Dont think it would help anyone else as the ship has limits. So the force is limited to the ships limits.
-all BHs should get souped-up Firesprays
-all Smugglers get amazingly-powerful YT-1300s
If you all want to be Luke Skywalker clones, then everyone should be a Boba/Han clone.
Warlock8806 wrote:
Hey folks.
What would make me happy is if events happening in space would have consequences on the ground. Say every week or so an Imperial Star Detroyer would enter the space of Dantooine (or whereever). All pilots would get a faction specific email to scramble to thier ships to either assist the Star Destroyer or to ward off its attack. (Neutral pilots could declare for either side at the time of launch)
The outcome of the battle would determine the level/amount of Imperial or Rebel NPCs on the ground until next weeks attack. The next weeks attack could even be the losing faction from the previous week trying to take the planet back.
