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Thread: Why is there nothing that relates to the Older Star Wars games?
Amuro0079
Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:53 am
#14
No one is askingthe devsto make JtL a clone of previous x-wing/tie fightergames, but at least they should try tostaycloser to the officialStar Wars canon.
Amuro0079
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:03 am
#15
You mean making up ships like the TIE Defender? At least the ship stats in those gameswere based off canon, and I don't mind they following the extended universe as well.
truewildman wrote:
Amuro0079 wrote:
No one is askingthe devsto make JtL a clone of previous x-wing/tie fightergames, but at least they should try tostaycloser to the officialStar Wars canon.
Meh, it's a matter of opinion, I guess. I find the previous games to be further from canon than SWG/JTL.
/shrug
truewildman
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:05 am
#16
Amuro0079 wrote:
You mean making up ships like the TIE Defender? At least the ship stats in those gameswere based off canon, and I don't mind they following the extended universe as well.
truewildman wrote:
Amuro0079 wrote:
No one is askingthe devsto make JtL a clone of previous x-wing/tie fightergames, but at least they should try tostaycloser to the officialStar Wars canon.
Meh, it's a matter of opinion, I guess. I find the previous games to be further from canon than SWG/JTL.
/shrug
Hmm. The ship stats, according to the website I posted a day or two ago, are just about right on with canon.
Amuro0079
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:07 am
#17
What website is that?
truewildman wrote:
Amuro0079 wrote:
You mean making up ships like the TIE Defender? At least the ship stats in those gameswere based off canon, and I don't mind they following the extended universe as well.
truewildman wrote:
Amuro0079 wrote:
No one is askingthe devsto make JtL a clone of previous x-wing/tie fightergames, but at least they should try tostaycloser to the officialStar Wars canon.
Meh, it's a matter of opinion, I guess. I find the previous games to be further from canon than SWG/JTL.
/shrug
Hmm. The ship stats, according to the website I posted a day or two ago, are just about right on with canon.
truewildman
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:17 am
#19
Description of MGLT speed variable:
The propulsion statistics are usually stated in terms of arbitrary game-specific units that cannot be readily related to the real world. The computer games use a "speed" unit called the MGLT, which looks like it might be an acronym. The roleplaying game does not even label its distance and speed units. In fact the roleplaying units are said to take different values depending on the difficulty of movement due to local conditions, hazards and obstructions. The statistics are simply meant to convey the idea that some vessels are more nimble or are capable of outrunning other kinds of vessels. The only exception, when speeds are stated in terms of absolute metres per five seconds or kilometres per hour, is for atmospheric or ground movement.
That being said, the varibles in JTL are very close to canon, in relation to each other.
truewildman
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:20 am
#20
The MGLT was used (and probably invented by) ILM artists long before the development of the modern computer games. The earliest known use of the term is in a diagram comparing the propulsive capabilities of starfighters, drawn during the production of Return of the Jedi. This illustration is reproduced in Return of the Jedi Sketchbook. As an acronym, the unit probably refers to something in the production of the movies' special effects; the "GL" could stand for "George Lucas". As a measurement of the maximum straight-line acceleration of a starship in space, it might (speculatively) be an acronym for something like "Micro-Gravity Linear [acceleration] Tolerance", as suggested by one reader. The instruction booklet for the game X-Wing: Alliance uses the phrase "megalights per hour" which is probably a colloquial second-generation attempt to rationalise the MGLT by inserting vowel sounds, but this might not have been the original ILM intention.
So X-Wing Alliance is the guilty party for stepping outside of canon.
truewildman
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:34 am
#21
The MGLT was used (and probably invented by) ILM artists long before the development of the modern computer games. The earliest known use of the term is in a diagram comparing the propulsive capabilities of starfighters, drawn during the production of Return of the Jedi.
Comparing the MGLT propulsion ratings from LucasArts and ILM with the roleplaying game statistics is not trivial. By performing regression analysis on the data for several known rebel and Imperial fighters and bombers, it is possible to derive approximate mathematical expressions relating these three different acceleration ratings. The ILM rating in MGLT is proportional to the LucasArts rating raised to the power of 2.4. Thus the TIE Avenger and Defender are 240MGLT and 282MGLT on the ILM scale. The WEG rating is weakly related to the other standards. If the LucasArts MGLT rating is L then the WEG rating is in the range W±1, where W=0.14L-5.5 approximately. Thus the WEG propulsion ratings of the Avenger and Defender cannot be less than 14 and 16 respectively.
Amuro0079
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:46 am
#23
I don't see how you reached the conclusion that varibles in JTL are very close to canon. JtL uses variables like Y/R/P which are not even even mentioned in the canon.
The site you posted:
http://groups.msn.com/StarWarsVehiclesandVessels/twinionenginestarfighters.msnw
actually showed exact same same speed and maneuverability stats as those I posted in the B-Wing thread a while back.
truewildman
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:48 am
#24
Yep. Finish reading what MGLT actually is, then come back to me. I posted it above for ya.
Amuro0079 wrote:
I don't see how you reached the conclusion that varibles in JTL are very close to canon. JtL uses variables like Y/R/P which are not even even mentioned in the canon.
The site you posted:
http://groups.msn.com/StarWarsVehiclesandVessels/twinionenginestarfighters.msnw
actually showed exact same same speed and maneuverability stats as those I posted in the B-Wing thread a while back.
Amuro0079
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:49 am
#25
I did. It doesn't prove anything.
truewildman wrote:
Yep. Finish reading what MGLT actually is, then come back to me. I posted it above for ya.
Amuro0079 wrote:
I don't see how you reached the conclusion that varibles in JTL are very close to canon. JtL uses variables like Y/R/P which are not even even mentioned in the canon.
The site you posted:
http://groups.msn.com/StarWarsVehiclesandVessels/twinionenginestarfighters.msnw
actually showed exact same same speed and maneuverability stats as those I posted in the B-Wing thread a while back.
truewildman
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:51 am
#26
Amuro0079 wrote:
I did. It doesn't prove anything.
truewildman wrote:
Yep. Finish reading what MGLT actually is, then come back to me. I posted it above for ya.
Amuro0079 wrote:
I don't see how you reached the conclusion that varibles in JTL are very close to canon. JtL uses variables like Y/R/P which are not even even mentioned in the canon.
The site you posted:
http://groups.msn.com/StarWarsVehiclesandVessels/twinionenginestarfighters.msnw
actually showed exact same same speed and maneuverability stats as those I posted in the B-Wing thread a while back.
If you can describe yourself, it'd be nice, so I can help you understand whatever it is that you're missing in the explanation.