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mkummer wrote:
I also think that it is okay to want to sell ships for more then the ressources are worth.But I don't think theressource economy shows a real market value of the ressources. With hologrinding a lot of ppl started to mine and as I see it now there are lots of ressource brokers, buying and storing ressources but if theywill ever end in a productthat sells for more thenthe ressource cpu? And you can sell a weapon or armor for 50-60 cpu with them, because the total cost of ownership is still low and players can afford it. If you start doing that with ships the costs will be so high that your customer base will shrink to a few players who are dedicated enough.
Good point,
I don't mind buying weapons for higher prices, and I don't buy the million dollar weapons, but the ones that are almost as good and much cheaper, either way there are things (crate tissue etc)that go into weapons, and armor that are way more complicated to find/buy/produce than a ship chassis. All these materials can be mined (for the ship chassis), you aren't trying to find a rare loot drop, you are going for the highest resource you can find. If that means you cannot create the highest quality chassis so be it. The only effect this has is sway the resulting mass available by 3-5%. Thats not much difference. I would rather not pay 1 million credits for a base chassis that has 3-5% higher mass availability.
I think that most of the people defending the higher prices are buying resources. Ironically the most Vehement of them are resource scalpers, You guys trying to make more money or what?
From how you represent yourselves you are all doing well, not going broke and unable to pay rent, so why the focus on money?
Your 15/month buys you the ability to go after the all mighty credit as mine gives me the ability to run an enjoyable crafting profession that I feel gives back to the community while still making myself a fair ammount of money.
And If people insist on selling at 5-7-15 CPU for a chassis I will undercut them and have a much MORE enjoyable day.
This Thread is getting repetative and boring.
Peace, see you all in the skies.
you will see T&T space craft in Coronet, from one of the T's, prices will be profitable but fair.
Takiwa
Sangius0815 wrote:
with oq 161?
Ackew wrote:
Sangius0815 wrote:
where do you get resources for 3 cpu ?
on farstar im only seeing 100k steel goes for 2 million or more
Thats because its an UBER steel probley the best steel EVER to spawn on far star.
Hmm ok i was thinking of a different steel. with a MUCH higher oq.
BrotherDavius wrote:
MoreCowbell wrote:
FragRock-Creatures wrote:
"Yes, this is a game. In this game we run virtual business. The point of a business, is to make profit.
If you want to treat your crafting profession as a hobby, that's fine.. but don't claim you are running a business when your business is 'charity' "
Dude seriously you got some serious problems...I'm just glad you play on Eclipse, and i feel bad for anyone that deals with someone so obsessed with making fake money, i hope you have a real job
Dude, seriously, what is the point of crafting then? Are crafters supposed to run missions to finance their harvesters or buy resources on the market and then give their waresto you? Does every crafter need a combat alt to finance them? Or sell them to you at their cost so it's as cheap as you can get it? The point of crafting is to make fake money selling fake goods!
Go tell a weaponsmith he's ripping you off for selling a VK for more than 100 credits. Or an armorsmith that he should sell youa suit of composite for5k, because that's what it costs to mine the resources themselves, with a little profit. Tell them to run missions if they want to make money.
The original poster has every right to price as low as he is. If I even do sell to the public I'd be selling starter-level ships for less than he has in his model (I have a sliding curve that prices entry level ship chassis at 12k to the level 6 ships at 750k). But expecting a shipwright to sell a YT-1300 that takes 150,000 resources to build for the sameprice as a suit of composite that takes about 4000 resources to build is unreasonable to the shipwright.
If you want a ship that cheap, grind to master shipwright and build it yourself.
You do know that it cost less to mine your own stuff than to buy it.
I fail to see what that pertains to anything I said. And no, I'm a total noob who's never mined a single resource. 
Message Edited by Diorchas on 10-29-2004 08:51 AM
Vymordryss wrote:
The originator of this post needs to be shot.
Our Tier 1's are priced at 50K, tier 2's at 150K and so on, which I think it pretty damn reasonable considering the amount of resources consumed, and the fact that it's a permanant, non-degrading item.
thats true, if it is a non-degrading item. But it isnt, or is it?
I have asked that in another topic, and got the answer that you ship decays with every time you get destroyed.
Peace, see you all in the skies.
you will see T&T space craft in Coronet, from one of the T's, prices will be profitable but fair.
Takiwa
Diorchas wrote:
Takiwa, the reason you think this thread is repetetive and boring is because you're bringing absolutely nothing to the table except your own greedy desire to see the ship market so low as to be financially infeasible.
People who sell resources are not scalpers. They're businesspersons who provide a product. I have repeat customers who have been thrilled with my prices. Thrilled. But yet I'm a scalper in your eyes? Asinine.
I would be very happy to sell ships at the market value of the resources made to build them. In fact, I'd even go so far as to say I'd be willing to sell ships at slightly LESS than their value since just about everyone NOT a crafter seems to think crafters are cheats. But to sell a ship at 1cpu? That's ridiculous.
And for the record I have never... EVER... sold a mineable resources at over 8cpu. And that was for some EXTREMELY good Duralloy Steel (the best I've ever seen on Kettemoor). I have never once priced my resources outside the norm for the server. In fact, from what I've seen they're actually pretty low.
Message Edited by Diorchas on 10-29-2004 08:51 AM
If you had read the post above yours then you would know that they are, steel that sells for 2 cpu one week then the same type of steel selling for 5-7cpu you don't call that being greedy?
If some one has the cash thetime then they can sell there stuff for whatever price. Just because you don't think it is a fair or a price that will make profit dose not make it so. If you feel that you are being under cut then you are wrong he will still make money and if he can do it so can others.
Vymordryss wrote:
The originator of this post needs to be shot.
We had a couple people come in outraged because were not selling ships at a loss and quoating this page as "The Official" guide.
Maybe on your sever people give away resources for free. On mine 2cpu us hard to find, especially in the bulk needed. 3cpu is about the norm for low grade material, and if you want good average stuff your looking at 3-5cpu.
Our Tier 1's are priced at 50K, tier 2's at 150K and so on, which I think it pretty damn reasonable considering the amount of resources consumed, and the fact that it's a permanant, non-degrading item.
At our prices on our server above I can buy 6 Z-95 Headhunter Chasis at our price, for the price of 1 suit of Composite. Composite that will need to be replaced in a month. Now you tell me 1cpu is not the stuipidest thing you have ever drempt up.
Now if you want to slave away for nothing, thats fine with me, but don't make it sound like anyone not working at a loss is some sort of thief and create misinformed, irate people comming in flamming our shipwrights cause thier "price gouging".
I feel sorry for the people on your server paying 10 CPU for a lev 1 ship.
/shakes head sadly.
Takiwa wrote:
SerNimble wrote:
Peace, see you all in the skies.
you will see T&T space craft in Coronet, from one of the T's, prices will be profitable but fair.
Takiwa
I for one will be looking for T&T.
Profitable but fair is one of the things that this game is sorely missing.
Our economy faces many challenges and will continue to do so. I hope we can meet them ina manner that drives home that we are a community joined by the common goal of enjoying the experience of this game.
Thanks, Scan
Be glad to have your business. You can game mail myself or my partner on sunrunner@ name Takiwa
or Tenaan.
We are based out of Dearic but sell by hand in Coronet. I will not be available until the beginning of Nov as I am deployed, however both accounts are being played/checked regularly. Tenaan is grindingaway as we speak/type/read and is getting closer to master SH. As My second account comes online we will have more ship availability, However we will strive to meet all orders with speed and excelence in crafting.
I don't see why I can harvest resources for .50 cpu and all these guys are buying them for 5-20CPU. The thing is this The chassis isn't like the entire ship, hell you can't even fly it by itself. You need to spend money on AT LEAST a reactor and engine, and you have to have the blueprints made into the ship by thge NPC. This chassis price is not for a full set or armor that is all ready to go you just buff and go, Its one part of the ship crafting process, The first, but not the only.
Which T is for which person, Ah that question still haunts me to this day
Takiwa
Agree, i wish you where on my server
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SerNimble wrote:
Peace, see you all in the skies.
you will see T&T space craft in Coronet, from one of the T's, prices will be profitable but fair.
Takiwa
I for one will be looking for T&T.
Profitable but fair is one of the things that this game is sorely missing.
Our economy faces many challenges and will continue to do so. I hope we can meet them ina manner that drives home that we are a community joined by the common goal of enjoying the experience of this game.
Thanks, Scan
or Tenaan.
We are based out of Dearic but sell by hand in Coronet. I will not be available until the beginning of Nov as I am deployed, however both accounts are being played/checked regularly. Tenaan is grindingaway as we speak/type/read and is getting closer to master SH. As My second account comes online we will have more ship availability, However we will strive to meet all orders with speed and excelence in crafting.
I don't see why I can harvest resources for .50 cpu and all these guys are buying them for 5-20CPU. The thing is this The chassis isn't like the entire ship, hell you can't even fly it by itself. You need to spend money on AT LEAST a reactor and engine, and you have to have the blueprints made into the ship by thge NPC. This chassis price is not for a full set or armor that is all ready to go you just buff and go, Its one part of the ship crafting process, The first, but not the only.
Which T is for which person, Ah that question still haunts me to this day
Takiwa